BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 15, 2013 1:25:26 GMT -5
Did the union get you anything in the negotiations, or was it a wholesale defeat? Worse benefits, lower wages, harder to get raises, lost our additional sunday pay, vacations took longer to accrue, etc. Not one thing was gained. The union had to bend over backwards to appease the company. Our contract negotiation were going on after the southern California union grocery employees got shafted in a work stoppage that lasted like 9 months. Basically they conceded everything to the company to avoid a similar work stoppage. You are in California so did you work for Kroger or it's subsidiary, Ralphs?
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Oct 15, 2013 1:36:44 GMT -5
So what makes a livable, decent wage? Is there a specific number ($__,000 a year)? And what exactly should minimum wage be? I just ask because I'm seeing the terms thrown around a lot and we all could have different ideas of what those could be. Speaking for myself, I might make a couple hairs more than 15k a year. Doesn't sound like much but I'm able to pay my bills, clothe & feed my family, put gas in my truck and go to the movies or a ball game once in awhile. It's not a flashy life. Some weeks are easier than others but I'm living decently, in my mind. Man in California that level of income would be extremely difficult to live on. What state do you live in if you don't mind me asking?
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Oct 15, 2013 1:41:38 GMT -5
Worse benefits, lower wages, harder to get raises, lost our additional sunday pay, vacations took longer to accrue, etc. Not one thing was gained. The union had to bend over backwards to appease the company. Our contract negotiation were going on after the southern California union grocery employees got shafted in a work stoppage that lasted like 9 months. Basically they conceded everything to the company to avoid a similar work stoppage. You are in California so did you work for Kroger or it's subsidiary, Ralphs? No it was Slaveway. They own Vons down in SoCal and that whole situation was nasty.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 15, 2013 1:56:02 GMT -5
You are in California so did you work for Kroger or it's subsidiary, Ralphs? No it was Slaveway. They own Vons down in SoCal and that whole situation was nasty. That's crazy because Kroger has done the exact same thing as you described. There was a strike in the 80s and for people hired before a certain date, they keep their benefits, Sunday pay (even if they didn't work that day), about 7 total weeks of vacation, etc. Everyone who was hired after, gets none of that and a lot less pay. When I worked at Kroger, my two week paycheck would be about half of their one week paycheck. UFCW pretty much lets them do as they wish, keeping workers at low pay and giving the executives large bonuses. The CEO got somewhere in the ball park of a 2 million dollar bonus and a 66% raise in 2011.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Oct 15, 2013 2:11:22 GMT -5
So what makes a livable, decent wage? Is there a specific number ($__,000 a year)? And what exactly should minimum wage be? I just ask because I'm seeing the terms thrown around a lot and we all could have different ideas of what those could be. Speaking for myself, I might make a couple hairs more than 15k a year. Doesn't sound like much but I'm able to pay my bills, clothe & feed my family, put gas in my truck and go to the movies or a ball game once in awhile. It's not a flashy life. Some weeks are easier than others but I'm living decently, in my mind. Man in California that level of income would be extremely difficult to live on. What state do you live in if you don't mind me asking? Suburban southwest Ohio to be a little more specific. California? Yikes. 15k might not even get you a studio apartment and a 10 year old used car there. Again, it was a reason I asked if there was a specific number to what a livable wage was, because it's going to be different in practically every state.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 15, 2013 2:16:58 GMT -5
I"m sorry, but I really can't fathom how discussions mentioning the pros/cons of neoliberalism and unions don't violate our "no political discussion" rule. It's too much of a slippery slope, and we've already got dueling ideologies at play in this thread.
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