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Post by Orange on Oct 16, 2013 1:25:06 GMT -5
I doubt he's "one of the most talked about entertainers of this era". I probably hear more about other artists and their music than about kanye. In fact, i hear more about kanye's ego than about his music. Sure, but even then people love to talk about Kanye, be it him or his music.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 16, 2013 1:25:20 GMT -5
Nope
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Post by The Man They Call Asher on Oct 16, 2013 1:27:43 GMT -5
I'm going to say yes so Hawk Jefferson doesn't beat me the f*** up.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2013 2:02:33 GMT -5
He's talented, but certainly not a genius.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Oct 16, 2013 2:06:54 GMT -5
He's musically a creative genius (when he isn't sampling, anyway)
but he's also the douchebag that "designed" a plain white shirt for $200
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Oct 16, 2013 4:17:51 GMT -5
I'd say yes. Honestly, I'm not particularly a fan of rap, but he's one of, if not the only rapper I can consistently listen to without getting bored of the music because he mixes it up quite a bit.
Yeah, he has his douchey moments, but some of it's kinda reasonable, like going of on Paparrazi that are baiting him or some dick talkshow host who mocks him in a sketch.
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Post by ICBM on Oct 16, 2013 7:02:13 GMT -5
No doubt it takes a careful and attentive ear to mix music and write songs. But by that logic, Taylor Swift could be considered a creative genius. So, since many many artists write their own music, he is just doing what is above average in his field. In my line of work, I am above average. Compared to some peers, I am head shoulders above them. But I am no genius. So no. Kanye West is no genius. He is great at what he does, but not genius level
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Post by willywonka666 on Oct 16, 2013 7:09:00 GMT -5
I have never paid attention to him really. that being said, if he was so great, I would have taken some sort of interest in him-his music would have found it's way to me.
I don't know what he's getting at, or what he wants to achieve. I don't think he can write anything catchy, maybe I have overlooked something, but how great can he be?
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Post by StuntGranny® on Oct 16, 2013 7:31:06 GMT -5
I would vote a very strong 'No'. It's not like he's changed the face of music.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 7:34:09 GMT -5
I acknowledge all artists of all genres and in my opinion, Kanye West isn't even close to being a genius. In fact, he's a really weak artist. Generic hip hop crap we hear countless of times on the radio. There's nothing special about him what so ever. The only thing worth noting about him is the antics he get's into to make me believe he's one of the biggest arseholes of this era.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 8:29:20 GMT -5
Kanye is kind of like this generations Dr Dre in the sense that he manages to always surrounds himself with the right people and is good at choosing samples.
I think he's a creative genius in the sense he can see where things are going and can pick out the people who can help him get there before others.
I mean Yeezus is quite revolutionary in the sense that it is the first time a sort of noisey industrial hip hop sound has had any mainstream success, plus he also incorporates a bit of the dance music take on trap
But it's not revolutionary in the sense that it is kind of a mashup of things that Saul Williams, Death Grips and TNGHT have done before (TNGHT even worked on the album with him) In fact there is nothing on the album really that hasn't been done before but he's a creative genius in the sense he pulled it all together and managed to mould it in to something that managed enormous mainstream success which he also achieved by marketing it in non traditional ways
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Post by chazraps on Oct 16, 2013 8:52:55 GMT -5
So, do you guys just basically think no musician could be considered a genius for their work in music alone?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 16, 2013 9:20:26 GMT -5
So, do you guys just basically think no musician could be considered a genius for their work in music alone? Mozart was composing symphonies at the age of five. That, to me, signifies genius. Kanye is a very talented artist, but a true genius is without peers. Given that it is arguable that Kanye is on a level so far above every other musician in the world then either there are a great many creative geniuses in music, or Kanye is not a creative genius.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 16, 2013 9:23:05 GMT -5
Talented: Absolutely
But the word 'Genuis' gets thrown around a bit too freely these days.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 16, 2013 9:26:20 GMT -5
So, do you guys just basically think no musician could be considered a genius for their work in music alone? Mozart was composing symphonies at the age of five. That, to me, signifies genius. Kanye is a very talented artist, but a true genius is without peers. Given that it is arguable that Kanye is on a level so far above every other musician in the world then either there are a great many creative geniuses in music, or Kanye is not a creative genius. I can see that. That in mind (and I know I'm quoting someone else here): No, I'd limit who I consider a genius. He does some great music. Hes this generations Prince IMO, and Prince was pretty damn good but no genius. Prince legit qualifies as a genius. When you look at how many genres and instruments he's mastered (he pretty much made all of his classic albums by himself) and what he can do with absolutely every aspect of the listening experience, either he's a genius or there's no musical geniuses.
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Post by Red Impact on Oct 16, 2013 9:30:17 GMT -5
To me creative geniuses have the ability to truly transform the medium and how people view the genre, I don't think Kanye does that. He's among the better performers of his genre, which is fine and good, but no genius.
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Post by Perd on Oct 16, 2013 9:39:05 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be great if Kanye strumbled upon this thread and saw the poll results?Given his massive ego, I doubt he could resist the urge to sign up and rant at us.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 16, 2013 9:43:29 GMT -5
Yes, he's a creative genius. I think "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is one of the most well-done albums, of any genre, in the last decade. The lyrics are great. The production is amazing and complex.
I also don't get how being an asshole would disqualify him from being a genius. You look at people considered geniuses and a lot of them are pretty egotistical and full of themselves. Just because they're extremely talented or intelligent doesn't mean they don't have flaws in other areas. They're still human.
To me, Mozart transcends being a genius. He was a true prodigy. He was someone that other geniuses would look at and say "Goddamn, I need to step my game up." So I think holding Kanye West up to that standard in order to be considered a genius is ridiculous unless you think only like 10 people through the course of human history can be considered geniuses.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 16, 2013 10:49:09 GMT -5
Genius gets thrown round way too much.
Creative? Certainly.
Genius? Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 10:51:17 GMT -5
I'd think so.
The thing is, I'm lukewarm on Kanye in general. It's just weird seeing people not giving him credit because of the weirdest standards.
And nah, we didn't just have someone in here say Prince wasn't a genius. That's...I'mma flip the table on that one and walk away.
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