Abadebe
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Post by Abadebe on Oct 17, 2013 15:12:39 GMT -5
Rise above hate intense dislike!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 15:36:14 GMT -5
Ah, it's always magical when way out of touch corporate goonism starts flexing it's muscles.
I'm surprised we still have "blind tags" as that might deter sight impaired fans from spending every bit of their money at the WWE store.
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Futureraven: Beelzebruv
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Oct 17, 2013 15:41:22 GMT -5
I don't mind the stuff about 5 star matches. It does annoy me that people are trying to have a good match, rather than win the match.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2013 15:46:49 GMT -5
Most of those orders are pretty reasonable.
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Post by whiskers on Oct 17, 2013 15:48:15 GMT -5
- An internal WWE memo from a few years back recently leaked and stated a few things of interest:
* Vince McMahon no longer wants "Granddaddy of them all" using to describe WrestleMania because he feels it makes WrestleMania feel old and dated.
* Nobody can use the phrase "choke" for a submission move. Undertaker's Hell's Gate move was named Triangle submission hold.
* Producer Kevin Dunn stated that announcers can no longer use the phrase "title changes hands."
* Vince banned the use of terms "five star match" and "match of the year." As part of the memo banning those terms, Vince also wanted all announcers to "stop reading the dirt sheets" with the idea that it influences what they say.
* Stephanie McMahon sent a memo for announcers to never use the phrase "the referee didn’t see it" when a heel is doing something behind the referees back. She wrote that it makes it seem like the announcers are treating the fans like they are in grade school. Stephanie prefers "the referee’s vision was impaired" or "the referee’s vision was blocked." Also, never use the word "hatred" or "hate" when describing a feud and the announcers should never say a talent doesn't care about winning a match.
www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Leaked_WWE_Memo_from_a_Few_Years_Back_Reveals_Orders_from_Vince_Stephanie_and_Dunn.htmlSome headscratchers there like. This has some TNT-WCW vibes to it...
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 17, 2013 16:05:13 GMT -5
This makes sense.
Makes sense after Benoit.
That is a stupid request, but I think it's been ignored. I think they still say "the title changed hands."
They use terms like this for the Slammy's, which is an end of the year show, so that's fine. I agree with the others who say that if it's overused it becomes another "greatest night in the history of our sport."
"The referee didn't see it" doesn't tell much of a story or give an explanation. If an announcer said "The referee didn't see it because Zebekiah was distracting him on the apron..." it sounds much better.
Kane & Cena ignored the whole not using the word "Hate." So, that rule must be gone. And, I agree that the characters should be invested in winning, unless they are just hell bent on revenge & hurting their opponent.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 17, 2013 16:59:37 GMT -5
I wish they'd go the extra mile and stop having announcers refer to any heel gong for a pinfall as "trying to steal one". That drives me insane. I remember the announcers acting like CM Punk was some kind of dirty cheater at last year's SummerSlam when he tossed Cena from the ring to pin Big Show. It was completely within the rules. What was he supposed to do? Let Cena win? So it's within the rules, he didn't do the work, he didn't earn it, so he was stealing it. I'm pretty sure I've seen underdog faces who score a roll up being said to "steal" one.
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MiLB Fan
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Post by MiLB Fan on Oct 17, 2013 18:29:11 GMT -5
That one is definitely true. WWE aired SummerSlam '92 last month on its on-demand service and I noticed two instances of references to "choking" being removed.
The first came during the opening tag match. IRS had Hawk in a sleeper hold and originally, Bobby Heenan said "It's not a choke; it's a good legitimate sleeper hold!" The Classics version of the PPV cut out the first part, so all you heard was "It's a good legitimate sleeper hold!"
Then, during the Nailz/Virgil match, WWE cut out this bit of dialogue:
Vince: "Oh come on, that ... that appears to be a choke! That's a choke, ref!" Bobby: "No, I can see his Adam's apple from here; it's fine."
What's strange is that while WWE doesn't want us to hear about choking, seeing it is apparently OK. In the LOD/Money Inc. match, you can clearly see IRS choking Hawk out with the tag rope. Nailz/Virgil? Shoot, pretty much the entire match is choking! And during the tag title match, one of the Beverlys used the bottom rope to choke Typhoon.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Oct 17, 2013 18:31:08 GMT -5
*When ever Triple H isn't in the ring all WWE Superstars(tm). must say "Where's Hunter?"
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2013 18:38:07 GMT -5
WWE Directive 5748-A - "SAY APP ALL THE TIME"
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Oct 17, 2013 18:41:09 GMT -5
I don't mind the stuff about 5 star matches. It does annoy me that people are trying to have a good match, rather than win the match. That was pretty much Shawn Michaels whole gimmick.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Oct 17, 2013 18:45:46 GMT -5
So this memo is about three years old right? Does anyone know/remember if these bans have stuck or if the announcers have used these terms since? I know I've heard the title "changing hands" at least sometime over the last three years. And if this was issued during Jack Swagger's WHC reign, then we still had nearly a year of Matt Striker on commentary on Smackdown and PPVs to go, and I'm pretty sure he flagrantly violated just about every rule on here all the time. ...actually, if you think of this entire memo as a padded way of saying "Shut the f*** up, Matt Striker", it all makes a whole lot more sense.
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Post by DIIV on Oct 17, 2013 18:53:12 GMT -5
Hoping Triple H doesn't send out ridiculous memos like this when Vince and Dunn leave.
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Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Oct 17, 2013 18:57:40 GMT -5
Again- how often do people say "Granddaddy of them all" about Wrestlemania- that's primarily a Starrcade name more than anything. Nothing wrong here.
Kind of weird, especially with moves called a choke. Viable reason [if it's over Benoit, or even to keep faces looking like they're not openly cheating], but still weird.
I actually like this one. Saying "title changes hands" is common with pro wrestling because it was always done- but saying someone "won the title" does make it seem more important. If this has to go, no problems there.
I could see it both ways- WWE has their own "match of the year" award, so that should go- but at the same time, it's 2013, the way fans talk has changed, and the star system doesn't 'really' mean anything anyway, so why not call a really good match a five star match?
These don't make any sense. Saying "the referee didn't see it" is kind of necessary if something big happens- and not saying it could put more heel heat on the referee because you DON'T say it than anything- especially when most times, the referee is distracted, meaning it happens when their back was turned- which doesn't mean the same thing as "vision was impaired/vision was blocked"- and in those, "the referee didn't see it" makes more sense than hinting the referee COULD have seen the face's hot tag/the heel using a weapon, but just chose to ignore it.
By the same token- hatred and hate is needed in feuds, simply because- it's not a sport entirely. If you want us to believe people are facing each other for the sake of the sport, institute some fake rankings on WWE.com or standings for wrestlers- nothing major, but just something to hint that yes, these matches are being put together for a reason- and if someone rises the rankings, they'll get some title opportunities. Do that- yeah, I'll buy a lack of hatred in some feuds, but if the story has more than just two guys trading wins and losses, a little hatred is needed to help it move along.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 17, 2013 18:58:47 GMT -5
"Ladies and gentlemen this title has just.....traded....owners"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 18:59:24 GMT -5
The one that blows my mind most is not being allowed to say "title changes hands". Why the f*** not?! The other ones at least have some kind of logic behind them, mostly worthless head-in-the-sand overanalyzed corporate logic, but still. But that phrase is completely inoffensive in any possible way.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Oct 17, 2013 20:29:55 GMT -5
It amazes me at how successful the WWE is with morons like this running the show. No kidding. It seems like ego trumps what's "best for business" in most cases. They always talk about how "the fans tell us who to push" but we all know that's bullshit. How many guys have there been over the years have been over as rover and then buried for it? How many episodes of RAW have been bogged down by stupid crap like the Denver fiasco? Instead of building to something for us, the marks, to want to pay money to see, they use their show as a vehicle to wave their dicks in all our faces.
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Post by Andy Martin on Oct 18, 2013 1:54:44 GMT -5
* Vince McMahon no longer wants "Granddaddy of them all" using to describe WrestleMania because he feels it makes WrestleMania feel old and dated. ...........he makes Steph & HHH's kids call him "Vince," doesn't he? I'm not Granddad I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMN IT!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 2:44:57 GMT -5
...........he makes Steph & HHH's kids call him "Vince," doesn't he? I'm not Granddad I'M VINCE MCMAHON DAMN IT! I'd say it's either Vincent Kennedy Macmahon or Mr. Macmahon, thought that damnit is definitely in there somewhere.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Oct 18, 2013 3:53:39 GMT -5
This choke shit is ridiculous. You can't erase or ignore the names of established holds (most of which are commonly known in MMA) because you're worried about an incident that I'm sure 99% of the current audience doesn't even associate with Benoiut anyway. Featuring the dude : I have no issue with them not doing that. You don't want to draw attention to him or celebrate him in any way. But I don't know anyone who looks at a sleeper or Triangle and thinks "Benoit." It's just knee-jerk scaredy cat bullshit.
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