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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Oct 28, 2013 22:50:17 GMT -5
I have no problem with Bryan and Punk feuding with the Wyatts. I do very much have a problem with Bryan's spot as top face being usurped by the goddamn Big Show. I cannot think of a single person I am less interested in seeing get yet another main event run than that boring, immobile slug. Pretty much,I mean "The Devil" could turn out to be HHH or something and the feud could loop back to where it was but Big Show in the main event?No thanks.
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Post by paywindah on Oct 28, 2013 22:50:30 GMT -5
It's awful to book a guy as the underdog who everyone says can't win the big one and can't be a top guy and then have no payoff to that. The general audience will now believe all those things.
It's doubtful he'll ever get those extremely intense crowd reactions again because the fans know they they got absolutely nothing for investing in him the first time so why bother doing it again. Sure, the Yes chants will continue to some degree, but watch some of the Raws and PPVs over the last 3 months. He set himself up for a defining moment and they never let him have it.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 28, 2013 22:50:43 GMT -5
There isn't any. He could be the star of the company right now, but it's between orton and the f***ing Big Show. But Daniel Bryan IS the star of the company right now. The crowds chant "Yes!" even when he's not involved in what's going on at the time. Not even John Cena can match that. His booking may not show it, but Daniel Bryan is above pretty much everyone not named CM Punk when it comes to crowd reactions.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 28, 2013 22:51:50 GMT -5
I could post an img of a stop sign and lock the thread, as that'd be the most apt description of his momentum. Doesn't even have inertia The people love him so much they cheer and Yes/No chant him over Shawn Michaels, who I thought for sure was in the league of could never ever be booed at this point. His momentum isn't dead until reactions like that are silenced, no matter where he is on the card. This is naught but a distraction. A little bridge feud to keep Bryan away from ANOTHER rematch for the title. This isn't a demotion, this is Cena feuding with R-Truth, its Orton feuding with Kofi. A little test elevation for the lower card guy and a distraction for the higher card guys to give them something to do while they're in holding pattern and other things are going on.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 28, 2013 22:53:19 GMT -5
I have no problem with Bryan and Punk feuding with the Wyatts. I do very much have a problem with Bryan's spot as top face being usurped by the goddamn Big Show. I cannot think of a single person I am less interested in seeing get yet another main event run than that boring, immobile slug. I would've rather they had blown Orton vs. Cena and gotten it out of the way than give Big Show a run at the top.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 28, 2013 22:56:57 GMT -5
Jesus christ, people, they're just giving us fresh match-ups. You really want to see Bryan/Orton again?
It's time we drop this stupid idea of "the midcard" anyway. There aren't tiers of guys like there used to be.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 28, 2013 23:07:05 GMT -5
Jesus christ, people, they're just giving us fresh match-ups. You really want to see Bryan/Orton again? It's time we drop this stupid idea of "the midcard" anyway. There aren't tiers of guys like there used to be. No but I would've liked to see Bryan still connected to this angle. Why couldn't Big Show turn heel and then Bryan goes after the giant? If Orton needs a filler contender, why not give him a young talent like Cody Rhodes, Miz, or Ziggler? Or why not just throw him Cena and get the often desired unification match out of the way, then put Bryan back into the mix after Survivor Series. And there ARE tiers. Problem is that WWE has ruined the idea of a midcard, and have somehow created the mindset that "midcarder = jobber" so now they feel that the only way a guy can get over and be taken seriously is if they're in "the main event scene" or feuding with "main event" level talents. So they try to shove as many people into the upper tier as possible. But since everyone can't be in the World Title picture at once, you have a lot of guys floating around directionless. And once a guy has been pushed to that point, it's a big step down when they're not, and that's when we get people "What happened to Bryan?" "What happened to Miz", "What happened to Ziggler" "What happened to Ryback?" "What happened to Barrett?" "What happened to Sandow?" "What happened to Ryder?" "What happened to Riley?" "What happened to Christian?" "What happened to Cody?" "What happened to Tensai?" or "What happened to Swagger?" or "What happened to R-Truth" threads. All because WWE wants everyone to be the next Stone Cold Steve Austin or nothing. However, a good chunk of those demoted people are left floating in limbo, squashing REAL midcarders and treating them like jobbers, or they end up as jobbers themselves.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 28, 2013 23:08:28 GMT -5
I think it's fair to throw this feud into the pile of good angles where WWE dropped the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 23:19:15 GMT -5
To me Big Show is a set-up guy and Bryan is the one who'll eventually get the title, not the other way round. Show is a filler feud for Orton until it's time for the more important Rumble/Mania build when Bryan is back in the title picture and Show ends up in a midcard match at Mania like he usually is.
Man, I'm a Bryan fan but I think this is almost becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy for a lot of people. Even if he faced Orton AGAIN in the main event of Survivor Series you'd still have a lot of the "Bryan's going to be pushed aside after this one for Big Show/Cena/Punk" talk and you would end up worrying about that more than you're enjoying your guy actually being on top. Like what happened after Night Of Champions. And after Battleground.
Like the guy who keeps telling the girl, “I’m not good enough for you, you could really do a lot better.” Well if you keep saying that for long enough she may eventually say, “you know what, f*** it, you’re right, you're NOT good enough, now go away so I don't have to hear any more of your insufferable whining.” Horrible analogy, but it made sense in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 23:24:30 GMT -5
I don't see this feud as a demotion for Bryan per se. I do see it as elevation for the Wyatt's. But I don't see why the Wyatt Family needs to be pushed so hard. Why does WWE have to try to make every new person into a big deal fairly quick by having them run through all of the main eventers instead of having them actually working in the midcard/tag division against actual midcarders and working their way up? Because when they book an ACTUAL midcarder, a guy who does well against people you'd expect him to but can't beat the top guys, people freak right out about it and accuse them of burying people.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 28, 2013 23:27:30 GMT -5
Jesus christ, people, they're just giving us fresh match-ups. You really want to see Bryan/Orton again? It's time we drop this stupid idea of "the midcard" anyway. There aren't tiers of guys like there used to be. No but I would've liked to see Bryan still connected to this angle. Why couldn't Big Show turn heel and then Bryan goes after the giant? If Orton needs a filler contender, why not give him a young talent like Cody Rhodes, Miz, or Ziggler? Or why not just throw him Cena and get the often desired unification match out of the way, then put Bryan back into the mix after Survivor Series. And there ARE tiers. Problem is that WWE has ruined the idea of a midcard, and have somehow created the mindset that "midcarder = jobber" so now they feel that the only way a guy can get over and be taken seriously is if they're in "the main event scene" or feuding with "main event" level talents. So they try to shove as many people into the upper tier as possible. But since everyone can't be in the World Title picture at once, you have a lot of guys floating around directionless. And once a guy has been pushed to that point, it's a big step down when they're not, and that's when we get people "What happened to Bryan?" "What happened to Miz", "What happened to Ziggler" "What happened to Ryback?" "What happened to Barrett?" "What happened to Sandow?" "What happened to Ryder?" "What happened to Riley?" "What happened to Christian?" "What happened to Cody?" "What happened to Tensai?" or "What happened to Swagger?" or "What happened to R-Truth" threads. All because WWE wants everyone to be the next Stone Cold Steve Austin or nothing. However, a good chunk of those demoted people are left floating in limbo, squashing REAL midcarders and treating them like jobbers, or they end up as jobbers themselves. I don't think that's true at all. Hell, lots of the guys you mentioned were big parts of the show Sunday and tonight. You seriously think Swagger, Cody, and Ryback are thought of as jobbers by fans or the writers? Actually, what you're saying is circular. There are tiers because people were demoted away from tiers. But no one cares about titles out of kayfabe. The Wyatt Family is the new most important part of Raw, and they're nowhere near titles. What you're talking about was the way things were for a long time... hell, with that one writer gone, maybe they'll revert back to that. But for a while now, they've been looking at the show way more holistically than before. There's actually evidence that they're really looking at titles the way it makes sense to: As props to enhance the intensity of a given feud, and not as some kind of bizarre "real" measure of one guy's worth. Maybe that's the thing to think, that'll help. There's no sign here that Big Show is "more important" than Bryan now. That's a silly way to think. He's just involved in a feud with Orton, and part of the drama there is the title.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Oct 28, 2013 23:28:51 GMT -5
There isn't any. He could be the star of the company right now, but it's between orton and the f***ing Big Show. But Daniel Bryan IS the star of the company right now. The crowds chant "Yes!" even when he's not involved in what's going on at the time. Not even John Cena can match that. His booking may not show it, but Daniel Bryan is above pretty much everyone not named CM Punk when it comes to crowd reactions. He's also the guy that 100% (or at least 90%) of the fans unanimously loves, something that even John flipping Cena can't claim at the moment (even if WWE's encouraging the split reactions for Cena). People treat this Wyatt angle as a downgrade for Bryan, but that's far from the truth. The Family is one of the hottest acts that WWE has going right now, and having them interact with the company's top two faces (Cena doesn't count at the moment...) is a big step up for them.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Oct 28, 2013 23:40:27 GMT -5
The right people all ended up in the right places. Nothing wrong with that. Just enjoy the show.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Oct 28, 2013 23:41:42 GMT -5
My one hope for Bryan going into Wrestlemania is that he ends up having a match with Shawn Michaels. I don't expect him to be in the Unification match at this point so this is where I hope they go with him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 28, 2013 23:43:01 GMT -5
My one hope for Bryan going into Wrestlemania is that he ends up having a match with Shawn Michaels. I don't expect him to be in the Unification match at this point so this is where I hope they go with him. I don't expect him to either, but I'd like to hope that whoever DOES unify the titles transitions the belt to Bryan shortly after.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Oct 28, 2013 23:45:56 GMT -5
Since DB is no longer in the main event or title hunt, his main event momentum is done. As of now, it seems clear he'll be feuding with the Wyatts. Could be a perfectly fine program, but there is NO GUARANTEE that he'll make it back to the main event anytime soon if ever. A lot of people are just hanging on so hard to this hope that is all part of a long WM build for him. It may be, but it is not written in stone.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Oct 28, 2013 23:52:56 GMT -5
My one hope for Bryan going into Wrestlemania is that he ends up having a match with Shawn Michaels. I don't expect him to be in the Unification match at this point so this is where I hope they go with him. I don't expect him to either, but I'd like to hope that whoever DOES unify the titles transitions the belt to Bryan shortly after. If Bryan does face Shawn, he should definitely beat him. So him facing the Undisputed champion after Wrestlemania would make a lot of sense. Then again, Jericho became the Undisputed champion, beating the likes of Steve Austin & the Rock - the biggest stars of that era. If they held a tournament like they did then I could see Bryan beating both Orton & Cena on the night to finally prove he's the face of WWE.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 28, 2013 23:53:05 GMT -5
I'm not annoyed about Bryan's current role. I've been itching to see him align with Punk, and so have a lot of the fans. This will be a fun feud. What I am annoyed with is Big Show being pushed as the top face. He's a tired old act that was never a true main-eventer who is now being pushed god knows why. Whoever decided Big Show needed to be the top guy right now needs a slap in the face.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 29, 2013 0:15:06 GMT -5
I said for a while that they were going to struggle in trying to stretch out this angle from SummerSlam to WrestleMania, especially around this late year run before the Royal Rumble, so I did expect Bryan to be pulled out of the title matches eventually... But he'll be just fine. It's not like he's suddenly about to be a Superstars regular or something.
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Oct 29, 2013 0:20:01 GMT -5
I do very much have a problem with Bryan's spot as top face being usurped by the goddamn Big Show. Superman Cena says hi.
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