mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Oct 29, 2013 0:42:14 GMT -5
To the people who keep insisting that Bryan will finally get his payoff at Wrestlemania...what will your excuse be if that doesn't happen?
Wouldn't it have just been easier to just let him carry the title until HIAC and then dropping it to Orton and Trips says "no rematch" and all that bullshit? If you moved around the layout, you could have had the same result as last night but without having to switch the belt 4 times in 4 months. You'd also have motivation for Bryan to climb the mountain again and find a means to win, like Lesnar did with Angle at Wrestlemania XIX. I want to watch that story again. That was a good story. The story we got for Bryan/Orton sucked and I'm not looking forward to a sequel.
Buuuut...I guess everything leads to a Rumble win, which if Bryan doesn't get, people will still insist he gets a title match at Mania. When that doesn't happen, those people will insist that Wrestlemania can't allow for those moments anymore and will need to take place at Extreme Rules and so forth...and eventually insisting that it come full circle with a win finally at next year's Summerslam.
I mean...I'm going to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with Bryan never winning the title again if they gave him a proper run to begin with. But even now, I'm not going to wait around for something that likely isn't going to happen.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 29, 2013 0:50:25 GMT -5
To the people who keep insisting that Bryan will finally get his payoff at Wrestlemania...what will your excuse be if that doesn't happen? There won't be an excuse from me. They would have just not capitalised on a red-hot opportunity, simple as that. Doesn't mean I should stop supporting my guy and hoping that he gets that payoff, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 0:56:49 GMT -5
I said for a while that they were going to struggle in trying to stretch out this angle from SummerSlam to WrestleMania, especially around this late year run before the Royal Rumble, so I did expect Bryan to be pulled out of the title matches eventually... But he'll be just fine. It's not like he's suddenly about to be a Superstars regular or something. I think him just being fine and not getting demoted to wrestling Santino on the internet isn't enough that his fans should just be okay with it. I know that's not what you're saying, but to me it's the same as "well at least Sandow didn't get squashed by the one-armed man tonight". Is that really all we should expect or hope for?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 29, 2013 1:09:25 GMT -5
I said for a while that they were going to struggle in trying to stretch out this angle from SummerSlam to WrestleMania, especially around this late year run before the Royal Rumble, so I did expect Bryan to be pulled out of the title matches eventually... But he'll be just fine. It's not like he's suddenly about to be a Superstars regular or something. I think him just being fine and not getting demoted to wrestling Santino on the internet isn't enough that his fans should just be okay with it. I know that's not what you're saying, but to me it's the same as "well at least Sandow didn't get squashed by the one-armed man tonight". Is that really all we should expect or hope for? Not at all. You should always want the best for your favourite guys. But it's just that the impression I get based on a lot of the reaction I see to this angle is that Bryan's position in the card is apparently so incredibly fragile that he can't even afford to lose dirty or feud away from the title. Personally, I'm just happy that he won the title to begin with, but I can understand people expecting more than that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 29, 2013 1:34:18 GMT -5
I think him just being fine and not getting demoted to wrestling Santino on the internet isn't enough that his fans should just be okay with it. I know that's not what you're saying, but to me it's the same as "well at least Sandow didn't get squashed by the one-armed man tonight". Is that really all we should expect or hope for? Not at all. You should always want the best for your favourite guys. But it's just that the impression I get based on a lot of the reaction I see to this angle is that Bryan's position in the card is apparently so incredibly fragile that he can't even afford to lose dirty or feud away from the title. Personally, I'm just happy that he won the title to begin with, but I can understand people expecting more than that. I never said Bryan should get a superman push and win matches all the time. I never said that he couldn't afford to lose or feud away from the title. My issue has always been that Bryan's heat being overshadowed by other people like Big Show or Shawn Michaels. That's why I've always balked at the idea of John Cena or CM Punk getting involved in the Authority Angle even when people said that it "made sense" due to Cena and Punk being the righteous hero and anti authority rebel respectively. I've been saying it since day one that this story needed to be about Bryan. I accepted that other people needed to be spotlighed in this storyline, but I always maintained that the primary person who should get the biggest rub is Bryan. But every time I make this point, I get shot down either by someone saying "Oh, Austin, Rock, and Foley all did fine in 1999" or my argument is simply belittled as "Big Show hate" or "you're just mad that it's not Alex Riley/Zack Ryder because you love them so much and you're incapable of thinking about anyone else". This was supposed to be Bryan's story and now for whatever reason, Big Show is the top face in 2013 while Bryan is stuck trying to make the Wyatt Family a big deal fairly quick.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Oct 29, 2013 1:42:45 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Oct 29, 2013 1:43:15 GMT -5
To the people who keep insisting that Bryan will finally get his payoff at Wrestlemania...what will your excuse be if that doesn't happen? There won't be an excuse from me. They would have just not capitalised on a red-hot opportunity, simple as that. Doesn't mean I should stop supporting my guy and hoping that he gets that payoff, though. There's no doubt that you should stop supporting him, but much like how I am with Christian, as much as I would love to see him get a proper reign with the WWE title, it's just not something I ever expect to happen. In the cases of both Bryan and Christian, WWE has done everything to kill any joy I may out of seeing either win the title. Worse yet, both have to look like chumps against *sigh*....Randy Orton.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 29, 2013 1:45:10 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time. And it will be the biggest dropped ball ever. He deserves to get a real reign with the WWE Title, even if it's just for one month.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 29, 2013 3:53:49 GMT -5
It was always going to end with HHH vs Big Show as the core of the storyline. Even Randy Orton (as HHH clearly stated) is only a placeholder who carries HHH's title for him. The "he's a B+ player" promos probably reflect the real life view of Daniel Bryan that WWE management holds. It was inevitable that he'd eventually be sidelined and marginalised. WWE never saw Daniel Bryan's popularity as a new rising star who would headline in the long term, but rather a passing fad they they really don't need anymore now that John Cena, the symbol of the status quo, is back.
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Post by Totorob101 on Oct 29, 2013 3:58:32 GMT -5
I can see Bryan dropping lower and lower down the card, probably a big challenger to the IC and US titles but no more then that. He had his three big oppertunities for the WWE title and every time he was screwed over. It shows they have no intrest or faith in giving him the title long term. I honestly think he may well turn heel in the future to. I dont have any faith in him being pushed. Triple H has won the feud. Thats pretty much it.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Oct 29, 2013 4:08:38 GMT -5
I honestly think he may well turn heel in the future to. People booing Bryan? Yeah sure.
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Post by BigBadZ on Oct 29, 2013 4:22:40 GMT -5
To the people who keep insisting that Bryan will finally get his payoff at Wrestlemania...what will your excuse be if that doesn't happen? Wouldn't it have just been easier to just let him carry the title until HIAC and then dropping it to Orton and Trips says "no rematch" and all that bullshit? If you moved around the layout, you could have had the same result as last night but without having to switch the belt 4 times in 4 months. You'd also have motivation for Bryan to climb the mountain again and find a means to win, like Lesnar did with Angle at Wrestlemania XIX. I want to watch that story again. That was a good story. The story we got for Bryan/Orton sucked and I'm not looking forward to a sequel. Buuuut...I guess everything leads to a Rumble win, which if Bryan doesn't get, people will still insist he gets a title match at Mania. When that doesn't happen, those people will insist that Wrestlemania can't allow for those moments anymore and will need to take place at Extreme Rules and so forth...and eventually insisting that it come full circle with a win finally at next year's Summerslam. I mean...I'm going to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with Bryan never winning the title again if they gave him a proper run to begin with. But even now, I'm not going to wait around for something that likely isn't going to happen. I'm not one of the "wait and see where this goes" people but I really believe WM XXX will end with Punk or Bryan standing tall. I have absolutely zero scientific proof, just a gut feeling. Of course if you want conspiracy theory, WM 10 ended with Bret (instead of Luger), WM 20 ended with Benoit and Guerrero (instead of HHH/HBK) and now we have WM 30 ready for another one of the pure wrestler types (instead of Cena/Orton). Again, it holds no water, but I can still dream.
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Post by eJm on Oct 29, 2013 5:33:02 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time. Which is pretty much one of the reasons pro wrestling is an industry that most of the time wouldn't know how to make money if the government suddenly decided to give them free money with no strings attached. What on Earth is wrong with striking when the iron is hot? Every other form of entertainment does it and has been doing it for decades. Sure, it leads to people complaining about over saturation from others wanting to get to that same well but neither do they sacrifice money for keeping old and trusted. No other industry in the world takes a talent that THEY built up for MONTHS and then immediately convinces people they stand no chance at hanging with the big players. None. Not music, not film, not television, nowhere. The trouble is, pro wrestling companies are mostly run by children who want things their way or no way at all.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Oct 29, 2013 5:36:04 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan... The sweet, kind, brilliant man you once knew, he's gone. Cue amped up Breaking Bad theme.
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Post by hossfan on Oct 29, 2013 5:59:52 GMT -5
To the people who keep insisting that Bryan will finally get his payoff at Wrestlemania...what will your excuse be if that doesn't happen? Wouldn't it have just been easier to just let him carry the title until HIAC and then dropping it to Orton and Trips says "no rematch" and all that bullshit? If you moved around the layout, you could have had the same result as last night but without having to switch the belt 4 times in 4 months. You'd also have motivation for Bryan to climb the mountain again and find a means to win, like Lesnar did with Angle at Wrestlemania XIX. I want to watch that story again. That was a good story. The story we got for Bryan/Orton sucked and I'm not looking forward to a sequel. Buuuut...I guess everything leads to a Rumble win, which if Bryan doesn't get, people will still insist he gets a title match at Mania. When that doesn't happen, those people will insist that Wrestlemania can't allow for those moments anymore and will need to take place at Extreme Rules and so forth...and eventually insisting that it come full circle with a win finally at next year's Summerslam. I mean...I'm going to be honest, I wouldn't have a problem with Bryan never winning the title again if they gave him a proper run to begin with. But even now, I'm not going to wait around for something that likely isn't going to happen. I'll have no excuse, but the fact is its happening. The WWE is consistently booking Bryan as strong. If they wanted to move him out of the Main Event scene, there wouldn't be all these screw job finishes. Orton would have beaten him clean, proving Triple H right that the guy can't hang, and everyone would have moved on.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 29, 2013 7:29:49 GMT -5
DB is finished as a main event star/WWE title contender for a while. Sorry folks, but the Royal Rumble win/Wrestlemania moment isn't happening. He'll end up in a solid upper-card match with another in-ring general (Jericho or Punk, probably) just to appease the "technical wrestling" fans. But he's not sniffing that title again for a long time. I don't think they would've had Daniel Bryan make Shawn Michaels tap out if they were done with him in the main event scene. WrestleMania is months out still so there's plenty of time.
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 29, 2013 8:13:50 GMT -5
Shorter FAN: "Don't criticize WWE, cheer John Cena and admire HHH."
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Oct 29, 2013 8:17:27 GMT -5
You know what? YOU guys are the ones needing there to be a Next Stone Cold, not the WWE. What we're watching right now is a show not booked around one person, and you guys are frantically trying to figure out who the one person being booked around is. Even worse, you WANT the show to be booked around one person, because you think it's a demotion to Bryan if it's not him.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 29, 2013 8:17:47 GMT -5
It was always going to end with HHH vs Big Show as the core of the storyline. Even Randy Orton (as HHH clearly stated) is only a placeholder who carries HHH's title for him. The "he's a B+ player" promos probably reflect the real life view of Daniel Bryan that WWE management holds. It was inevitable that he'd eventually be sidelined and marginalised. WWE never saw Daniel Bryan's popularity as a new rising star who would headline in the long term, but rather a passing fad they they really don't need anymore now that John Cena, the symbol of the status quo, is back. And this is why I have not tuned in since Summerslam. What a damn shame.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 29, 2013 8:46:25 GMT -5
We let WWE groom us for so long into believing you're not a main eventer and world champion, you don't matter. Do people buy into Alberto Del Rio as a main eventer? They did for a short while before the rose came off of the bloom. Now he's just a non-important cog who is a multi-time world champion who won't go away from the main event picture . If you can't be over with the crowd without being perma-stuck in the main event picture and world champion, it was never meant to be be. CM Punk, Jericho, Edge, and others spent time out of the main event picture and still maintained their overness. Punk had a World title feud with Batista where he was treated as lesser than Big Dave. He lost against Chavo freaking Guerrero in a feud for the ECW title. He spent years going up and down the card losing sometimes in quick matches against guys like Cena. Yet he stayed over. If Bryan is truly over and not because he has a chant worthy catchphrase, he will stay over with the crowd no matter his place on the card.
And no matter how much we wanted to believe it, Bryan was not going to become the face of WWE. Just like no one took the number one spot from Hogan during the Hulkamania era. Savage and Ultimate Warrior may had been WWF champion but they were never truly the Man. Even when Hogan was not in the picture, he still was treated as the man. Cena is the Man. Everyone else are his supporting players. Others may get a shot to play quarterback, but Vince McMahon is going to go back to his Tom Brady because of his track record.
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