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Post by saintpat on Oct 29, 2013 0:07:48 GMT -5
I've read for literally years how everyone wants the midcard to have storylines and feuds, and how everyone wanted the tag team division to be given some life. So lately we've had: The Wyatt Family -- previously with Kane and Miz, now with Punk, Bryan, etc. Real Americans -- with Los Matadors and now the Rhodes Bors apparently starting Rhodes Bros vs. Shield and Shield vs. Usos -- including Ambrose vs. Langston Fandango has been getting regular segments and progression I guess Punk-Heyman-Ryback is upper-card, but it's not title-picture stuff. And I'm probably overlooking something. So is anyone -- anyone? -- happy to get what they've been asking for? |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 29, 2013 0:15:26 GMT -5
They aren't quite there yet.
Imo, Wyatt Family really isn't a midcard feud. Sure they aren't chasing titles, but it's obvious that WWE wants them to be more than midcard. They keep throwing main event level talents at them and trying to make them out to be "big deals fairly quick". Rowan and Harper should be in the tag division. I think that the Wyatt Family is basically the new Shield, the guys whose sole purpose is to keep the main eventers who aren't currently in the title picture busy. The only people who are being booked strongly against the Wyatts are World Title level talents.
With Cody and Goldust, we have to wait and see. Them winning the titles is a by product of the Authority Angle. Part of me is still worried that the Rhodeses will just become another Team Hell No type of team who hoards the titles while dicking around doing other things that don't involve the tag division.
Most of the roster is still not being used properly.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 29, 2013 1:06:26 GMT -5
Those aren't storylines. They're just matches that happen with the occasional backstage/after match beatdowns in the Wyatt's case. The tag feuds have no storylines either. Just matches. What story is Fandango in?
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Post by saintpat on Oct 29, 2013 1:16:51 GMT -5
Those aren't storylines. They're just matches that happen with the occasional backstage/after match beatdowns in the Wyatt's case. The tag feuds have no storylines either. Just matches. What story is Fandango in? Read again. Storylines AND feuds. Fandango has been in feuds. If you need me to tell you about the Shield having a storyline from the start, or the Rhodes brothers, or if you don't see the Wyatt family being a storyline, or the Real Americans, well, I don't know what to tell you. Do you really not see any midcard or tag team storytelling? Kind of like your breakdown of a match being "this guy does a move and the other guy kicks out, how boring," well, feuds and storylines usually involve matches. And in some of those cases, the matches are just feuds without much story, but I recall a lot of criticism of "random matches" with midcarders who didn't actually feud. And I see some feuds. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 29, 2013 1:53:29 GMT -5
Again, that's not what I said. I said Cena specifically just kept kicking out of several pin attempts until he won with his finisher. The psychology behind that match is that Sandow's entire moveset is ineffectual against a severely injured Cena. That's not a good match. The crowd was only into it because it was an MITB cash in.
Technically the Shield is not midcard, they've almost always been main event from the get go. Cody Rhodes did have a storyline but that's wrapped up already, and he shouldn't still be in the midcard. The Wyatts have a gimmick, and they get to do beatdowns/kidnappings. So far there is no story. We still don't who they are or what they're about. The Real Americans have been jobbing constantly, except tonight, and that made no sense to beat the tag champs so soon for no reason. Fandango hasn't been in a feud since Jericho. He just has matches. Do you know what a storyline is? The only storyline right now is Bryan vs Authority and it's subplots like broke Big Show and fired Cody. Punk has a feud with Heyman. That's it. That's main event. Del Rio doesn't even have a storyline.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Oct 29, 2013 2:08:14 GMT -5
My definition of mid card involves anyone not in the main title feuds. And while it could be better, I think the tag division and midcard is being used miles better than it has been in a looooong time.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 29, 2013 2:19:15 GMT -5
My definition of mid card involves anyone not in the main title feuds. And while it could be better, I think the tag division and midcard is being used miles better than it has been in a looooong time. For me, the definition of midcard is a bit more stretched out. "Not in the main title feuds" just means everyone is the flavor of the month. To me "midcard" is someone that you can't see feuding for a main title at the moment or in the near future. That's why I don't really count fallen stars like Miz, Ziggler or Ryback as midcard because WWE won't just let them actually BE midcarders. Even outside of the title scene, and even with Ziggler supposedly being BERRIED or Ryback Having NUCLEAR HEATZ, they're presented as being above most of the roster. I wish there'd were more non world title level guys being pushed on TV Fandango, Ryder, Kofi, all tag teams, Gabriel, Santino, Yoshi, Riley, Hawkins, JTG, Otunga, Big E and Axel etc. are midcarders because I can't picture them in the world title scene anytime soon Miz, Dolph, Alberto, Kane, Ryback, Etc are not midcard because I could picture any of them becoming #1 contender for the WWE or World Titles tomorrow |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 29, 2013 10:28:28 GMT -5
Without talking points, most wouldn't had something to rally for. Contrary to popular belief, not every midcarder during the Hulkmania and Attitude era had something to do. Only a few actually had true motivation and purpose. Most played jobbers to the stars. During the Attitude era, they just dumped folks into stables and called it a day. The Gang Warz was just a few guys looking good and the rest chewing up the scenery.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Oct 29, 2013 10:38:44 GMT -5
Without talking points, most wouldn't had something to rally for. Contrary to popular belief, not every midcarder during the Hulkmania and Attitude era had something to do. Only a few actually had true motivation and purpose. Most played jobbers to the stars. During the Attitude era, they just dumped folks into stables and called it a day. The Gang Warz was just a few guys looking good and the rest chewing up the scenery. I agree about the Hukamania era, but that was a different time. There wasn't ten hours a week of tv, so it didn't matter. Also, it was a more kayfabe era til about 87 or 88. It was presented as more of a sport. You're totally wrong about the attitude era though, everyone had an ongoing story. The stable wars was just one among dozens of storylines. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Oct 29, 2013 10:55:25 GMT -5
Without talking points, most wouldn't had something to rally for. Contrary to popular belief, not every midcarder during the Hulkmania and Attitude era had something to do. Only a few actually had true motivation and purpose. Most played jobbers to the stars. During the Attitude era, they just dumped folks into stables and called it a day. The Gang Warz was just a few guys looking good and the rest chewing up the scenery. I agree about the Hukamania era, but that was a different time. There wasn't ten hours a week of tv, so it didn't matter. Also, it was a more kayfabe era til about 87 or 88. It was presented as more of a sport. You're totally wrong about the attitude era though, everyone had an ongoing story. The stable wars was just one among dozens of storylines. Actually WWF had at least 6 hours of programming a week during the Rock and Wrestling era. You got to include the weekend shows along with Primetime Wrestling. During that time, it was larger than life; not treated completely as a sport. NWA/WCW was the sport promotion. And were those storylines for most midcarders memorable and exciting? Do anyone look back fondly about the Low Down vs Al Snow and Steve Blackman? Or Scotty 2 Hotty vs Dean Malenko? Or anything involving Mideon and Viscera? People lump in the good with the bad and think it was all golden. There was just a many shit feuds as there were great ones. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 11:01:29 GMT -5
Everything but the A-story in WWE is actually pretty entertaining for me.
Its that god awful AUTHORITY storyline that does me in. Thankfully its stopped being a part of EVERY aspect of RAW & SD like when it first got going. Now it just bookends the show, whereas before it was literally a part of every damn segment.
Also - AJ Lee & Tamina are crushing it. Though they need more mic time - maybe a talk show like the Highlight Reel.
Overall though the midcard/divas/tag division are doing really well for me and make the sure highly watchable.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 29, 2013 11:40:13 GMT -5
I'd be happier if they could give guys consistent pushes. Guys are cycled in and out so often that why should I care or get attached to anyone? Storylines are dropped on a whim. Why should I care about Big E. Going for the US Title when they've given me no reason to? No reason to care about his face turn? What happened to the Midcard Mafia that stood up to HHH? Other than the Usos, not much apparently.
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-- happy to get what they've been asking for? 
