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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Oct 30, 2013 15:09:22 GMT -5
It's hard to gauge Colt's level of success within wrestling. His podcast is well-known within the industry and he has interviewed some big names within the industry. He was a guest on Steve Austin's podcast. He seems to keep a regular schedule on the independents in many parts of the world. From most accounts, he does well selling his merchandise at wrestling shows and conventions. I know he's active online with the podcast, merchandise stores, a youtube show, and other ventures. I know he does some comedy club shows and has his '5 Dollar Wrestling' ventures. I know he has done an AT&T commercial and does motion-capture for WWE games. He's successful and has steady work.
With all this said, he's definitely well-known within the online wrestling community and independent wrestling scene. I say he's overall bigger than other independent wrestlers from the past/present like Reckless Youth and Mike Quackenbush who never made it with a big wrestling promotion with a television and PPV presence. He's making a living, but there's something to be said for making it at a major level, meaning being successful within the top wrestling companies.
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Post by rybackrulez on Oct 30, 2013 15:25:45 GMT -5
Ignore it. I think Colt is very thin-skinned. You weren't knocking him at all. Yeah colt is very thin skinned The mlw podcast, the steve austin podcast, the podcast he did with kevin steen. Just seems he can be set off.
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Post by molson5 on Oct 30, 2013 15:29:54 GMT -5
Indy wrestling isn't important enough to warrant arrogance. It's like having an arrogant professional scrabble player.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 30, 2013 15:38:50 GMT -5
He's the most famous independent wrestler in the world right now Surely not even you believe that... Here is a small list of some guys currently in the independents who you've just said Colt Cabana is more famous then. 1. Kevin Nash 2. John Hennigan 3. MVP 4. Chris Masters 5. Melina Perez And then you have all the talent that drops below them like Shelton, Haas, Matt Morgan etc who are more popular then Cabana. After that you have the guys who are strictly "indy famous" but even then Cabana is probably close to the top and not at the top. He's famous for his ROH run and as someone said above, being Punk's friend. Is he talented? Yes. Is he someone I'd hire if I ran a national company tomorrow? Yes. Is his arrogance justified? No. Punk is HBK. Cabana is his Jannetty. Surely you know that's not what I meant at all. Also, don't call me Shirley. You named talent who are famous for being on TV. Their appearances on indie promotions are just that. Nobody think of any other the names you mentioned as "indie wrestler ________." Colt is the face of indie wrestling worldwide and has been for at least the past two years. I'd venture to even say Colt's name and appearances are more valuable the most of the names you've mentioned because of how strong his ever-expanding grassroots fanbase is. Colt's done much more than pretty much anyone else who's been in his shoes following a release from the WWE has done. He's carved out several difference niches for himself and rode all of them to increasing commercial and critical success. I don't see who else you could mention that's hanging with Colt on that level. And the HBK/Jannetty thing makes no sense in this regard other than the most basic they used to tag team and one guy in on TV a lot more than the other. They've both taken very admirable but different paths to great success in what they've done, and I don't see shame in either the way people like to point out the "failures" of a Jannetty.
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Post by thegame415 on Oct 30, 2013 15:45:21 GMT -5
Are you sure Punk wasn't on his twitter?
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Post by They Killed the Giggler on Oct 30, 2013 16:14:42 GMT -5
Steel cage match
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Post by Manute Bol on Oct 30, 2013 16:32:19 GMT -5
Colt's done much more than pretty much anyone else who's been in his shoes following a release from the WWE has done. He's carved out several difference niches for himself and rode all of them to increasing commercial and critical success. I get that you're a Colt fan and you want to defend "your guy", but do you honestly believe Colt Cabana of all people has had the most successful post-WWE career? That seems a bit excessive.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 30, 2013 16:38:56 GMT -5
Do something to really get under his skin this time. Tell him Goldust is known for deleting people on twitter and calling them dicks but at least HE made it in WWE.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 30, 2013 16:54:02 GMT -5
Colt's done much more than pretty much anyone else who's been in his shoes following a release from the WWE has done. He's carved out several difference niches for himself and rode all of them to increasing commercial and critical success. I get that you're a Colt fan and you want to defend "your guy", but do you honestly believe Colt Cabana of all people has had the most successful post-WWE career? That seems a bit excessive. I mean he's innovated more things and amassed his own self-made empire. I speaking bigger than just "who has had the best wrestling career after finishing their WWE tenure." Given how little Colt really got from the WWE, look at what he's made. Who's f***ing with that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 17:02:37 GMT -5
Away from the tweet, how does Jim Cornette still remain relevant? All the guy does is bury people. I've met Cornette all of once but he's a cool guy. Classic southeast wrasslin' carny style but a cool guy. And I agree with most of his criticisms of the industry. Colt's not as funny as he thinks he is and he's only who he is because he's Punk's buddy, there I said it.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Oct 30, 2013 17:12:26 GMT -5
Are you sure Punk wasn't on his twitter? If he got blocked, we have our answer.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 30, 2013 19:12:40 GMT -5
Away from the tweet, how does Jim Cornette still remain relevant? All the guy does is bury people. I've met Cornette all of once but he's a cool guy. Classic southeast wrasslin' carny style but a cool guy. And I agree with most of his criticisms of the industry. Colt's not as funny as he thinks he is and he's only who he is because he's Punk's buddy, there I said it. That really isn't true, I don't think much of him as an in ring performer or even think he's that funny, guy is gameshow host level funny at best, but he's still worked his backside off to carve himself a niche in wrestling. Being Punk's friend is completely meaningless when they're not in the same company, no-one is going to buy his merch or pay to see a show featuring Colt Cabana because he's a friend of Punk, they're going to do it because they like what he brings to the table.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 19:31:36 GMT -5
Colt is right. *shrugs*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 20:43:46 GMT -5
I feel like Colt acted stupid by insulting a fan (you're a professional, honestly. Come on.)
I also feel like people are underestimating how popular Cabana is though. At the peak of the indy scene back around 05/06 he was every bit the star guys like Daniels and Punk were. That reputation's what kept him over with the fans who like him I think
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 8:23:03 GMT -5
I've met Cornette all of once but he's a cool guy. Classic southeast wrasslin' carny style but a cool guy. And I agree with most of his criticisms of the industry. Colt's not as funny as he thinks he is and he's only who he is because he's Punk's buddy, there I said it. That really isn't true, I don't think much of him as an in ring performer or even think he's that funny, guy is gameshow host level funny at best, but he's still worked his backside off to carve himself a niche in wrestling. Being Punk's friend is completely meaningless when they're not in the same company, no-one is going to buy his merch or pay to see a show featuring Colt Cabana because he's a friend of Punk, they're going to do it because they like what he brings to the table. I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, but I also think you're underestimating Punk's continual influence in the indie scene and "smarkdom" as indicated by the practical god status that his name carries to this day. Colt rose to his peak while Punk was a rising star, and after Punk left for WWE, Colt has become less important. And yet, despite his star falling from what it was 7 or 8 years ago he still remains relevant with AoW and the like. Would he be in the same place without his known association and close friendship with Punk?
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 31, 2013 8:54:46 GMT -5
Punk does have a huge influence on the smarks. Hell, he managed to make you all believe that Samoa Joe held the ROH title for almost 2 years. SAMOA JOE...seriously? Come on.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Oct 31, 2013 8:58:35 GMT -5
He's the new version of Brutus Beefcake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 9:16:27 GMT -5
He's the new version of Brutus Beefcake. Yeah, Cornette does resemble Brutus.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 31, 2013 9:46:14 GMT -5
Just so it doesn't seem like I'm being a Colt Cabana cheerleader, the guy is completely in the wrong for his reaction and owes the original poster an apology. Also Jim Cornette is an arse who's only famous at this point because he's a rent-a-quote who's willing to throw 90% of the people he's worked with under the bus to get more attention for himself. He's basically Konnan, only nowhere wants to give him the book because his ideas are boring and he doesn't believe in trying different things to broaden the appeal of wrestling. I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, but I also think you're underestimating Punk's continual influence in the indie scene and "smarkdom" as indicated by the practical god status that his name carries to this day. Colt rose to his peak while Punk was a rising star, and after Punk left for WWE, Colt has become less important. And yet, despite his star falling from what it was 7 or 8 years ago he still remains relevant with AoW and the like. Would he be in the same place without his known association and close friendship with Punk? I do, yes. While being associated with Punk has helped, I think he would have gotten to where he is now through hard work and his can do attitude. He didn't get hired by RoH because he was a friend of Punk, at the time that was meaningless and the same can be said for being hired by the WWE, who aren't in the habit of hiring guys just because they're buddies with a developmental worker, which Punk was (ECW was long past being a serious attempt at a third brand) at the time they hired Cabana. Being a friend of Punk didn't stop the WWE giving him the 2008 developmental guy treatment where he's chewed up and spat out through no fault of his own but he made the best of it, made contacts and started up a website and a podcast to build up a business for himself, help hype his friends projects and make some extra bucks. Did Punk do that for him? Nope, while Punk appearing on there hasn't hurt, he isn't going around getting him high profile guests, Colt's doing that on his own by befriending people like X-Pac at indy shows and guys like Scott Hall are now seeking him out because he's worked to make a name for himself. Punks reputation in smarkdom may have helped a bit in getting his podcast off the ground, it still doesn't mean a lot to non smarks, I doubt it means much to promoters either as no-one will ever attend a show because a popular worker's buddy is there, besides, If being a friend of Punk was a shortcut to Colt's level of success, why aren't Luke Gallows, Domino or Ace Steel as high profile (by indy wrestler standards) these days? Heck, Domino gets more from being a friend of Cabana than he does Punk. He's the new version of Brutus Beefcake. Hulk Hogan managed to land Brutus Beefcake a well paid job in WCW despite being a shadow of the talent he once was. He wasn't a popular character, but being a friend of Hulk's got him repackaged over and over and over, culminating in a world title match at one of WCW's biggest ppvs, and got him a role on the ongoing NWO versus the world feud. He was one of the best paid curtain jerkers at a time WCW was throwing money around like it was going out of fashion... Now, compare that to Cabana whose one shot at the big time saw him used as a jobber from the start, taken off TV for months, brought back then fired. Exactly the same!
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Oct 31, 2013 9:47:19 GMT -5
Evilution E5150 Is Not a Dick. He May Be a Liar, a Pig, an Idiot, a dick, but He Is Not a Porn Star!
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