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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 3, 2019 12:03:45 GMT -5
Got around to watching that Steven Universe is Garbage video that made the rounds awhile back and... Kind of falls into this weird category where it doesn't directly turn me off the show or anything but it is a mix of issues I already had and drawing my attention to others that I find myself completely agreeing with with really nothing I disagree with all that much. The criticisms of the Diamonds in particular I've pretty much been thinking for a long time anyway, especially how inconsistent Yellow is and how detestable Rose is. Also, what is even the f*** with that Concrete design. What the hell. When I first saw that making the rounds, I was dodgy about watching it because it sounded like someone just ranting about how much something sucked. And it was. Yet, for some reason, I was attracted to the video because as I followed this series, my enjoyment waned and my criticisms began to mount, so while I don't agree with the person who made the video, I agree with 93% of what was stated here. I can understand people having a beef with these types of videos, but I genuinely liked it. There are better more well rounded and SHORTER videos made by nice level headed people that say everything that video said in a much fairer and better overall tone and presentation and are more worth your time and support. Sorry I just really hate people like that, they don't deserve the time of day. It's completely cool to have problems with SU, but they not only took it to moronic heights but as others have already said, missed the point entirely in some facets.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 3, 2019 12:12:17 GMT -5
When I first saw that making the rounds, I was dodgy about watching it because it sounded like someone just ranting about how much something sucked. And it was. Yet, for some reason, I was attracted to the video because as I followed this series, my enjoyment waned and my criticisms began to mount, so while I don't agree with the person who made the video, I agree with 93% of what was stated here. I can understand people having a beef with these types of videos, but I genuinely liked it. There are better more well rounded and SHORTER videos made by nice level headed people that say everything that video said in a much fairer and better overall tone and presentation and are more worth your time and support. Sorry I just really hate people like that, they don't deserve the time of day. It's completely cool to have problems with SU, but they not only took it to moronic heights but as others have already said, missed the point entirely in some facets. Yeah, as someone in the MLP fandom, to say Lily (the SU video maker) is a contentious individual is an understatement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 18:20:03 GMT -5
When I first saw that making the rounds, I was dodgy about watching it because it sounded like someone just ranting about how much something sucked. And it was. Yet, for some reason, I was attracted to the video because as I followed this series, my enjoyment waned and my criticisms began to mount, so while I don't agree with the person who made the video, I agree with 93% of what was stated here. I can understand people having a beef with these types of videos, but I genuinely liked it. I meanthe video is VERY flawed with some really good points. But the person completely misses the point for example of Lapis,the Diamonds(They ar enot being redeemed,Steve is just trying to find a mean to get their help and change things from inside a.k.a fixing Pink's Mistakes )and Bismuth(They oppose killing people,so clearly it means they oppose fighting Nazis). But yeah Concrete was uuh...no excuses I dunno, I think with the Diamonds it's a completely valid criticism. Lapis is probably the most debatable part of the thing admittedly but I can understand the viewpoint at least, I do like her still but I could see where constantly simultaneously trying to frame her as the aggressor and make her look like a victim at the same time could turn someone off (although I feel like it's very much missing the context of her being trapped in the mirror and then imprisoned when she got back to Homeworld, making it on the whole less an indictment of the character and more just a show of inconsistent writing), and she really is usually pretty awful to Peridot with none of the other characters apparently realizing it. The Diamonds though... I dunno. The show does have this really bad habit of just sweeping away the negatives with them or with focusing on lesser ones when it's time for them to be portrayed sympathetically. Like this current emphasis of being anti-fusion, it's easier to do an, "I learned the error of my ways!" story with someone being a prude than with someone who killed millions of people and turned them into a horrific mutant with the intent of creating a super-weapon to conquer entire planets so they're not dwelling on that part.
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Post by H-Virus on Jan 3, 2019 21:35:34 GMT -5
I have no intention of watching a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video, but since it's already being discussed, would someone mind giving a few cliff notes on what the maker of the video hates so much about this show that it caused them to make a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video about it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 21:42:25 GMT -5
I have no intention of watching a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video, but since it's already being discussed, would someone mind giving a few cliff notes on what the maker of the video hates so much about this show that it caused them to make a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video about it? Honestly pretty much goes off on just about every individual aspect of the show besides the music. Basically every character, the hiatuses, the inconsistent art (though that's not dwelt on much), its depiction of sexuality, a few different iffy racial issues surrounding the show, its production process, a lot of individual episodes. It's not entirely negative, she makes a point of mentioning particularly good episodes and moments, but the vast majority of it is. Granted there's also a REALLY lengthy diversion to talk about The Old Republic. It is related to the overall point but it also goes on for far longer than is necessary.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 3, 2019 22:11:45 GMT -5
I have no intention of watching a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video, but since it's already being discussed, would someone mind giving a few cliff notes on what the maker of the video hates so much about this show that it caused them to make a 2 hour and 7 minute rant video about it? Cliff Note: Wants Attention
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Post by Long A, Short A on Jan 4, 2019 4:02:42 GMT -5
I've avoided that video like a STI.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 4, 2019 10:17:02 GMT -5
And with all the problems that the show may have, most of them would be alleviated with a consistent schedule of showing the damn show.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 7, 2019 19:47:18 GMT -5
This week's episode. {Spoiler}Escapism
So most of the episode no dialogue, very ambiguous episode. So a third water melon Steven, a sequel no on asked for but it worked.
Steven whole journey is very Avatarish, with how he left his physical body. Interesting to see what happens, I am hoping we get to see the Lapis and Peridot with their new design. And will Lars and his crew play a role in this?
A very good episode, maybe better than the previous episode.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 7, 2019 19:50:05 GMT -5
The last 2 minutes and preview for the 1 hour special made the whole damn thing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 7, 2019 20:00:08 GMT -5
Damn Watermelons
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 21:04:24 GMT -5
Well, that episode was a complete and utter waste of time. You could've condensed everything that actually happened of substance in it down to the first 30 seconds of next week's.
Not really my type of episode anyway admittedly, but still just felt like they had basically run out of plot and were stalling. Might be helped if I cared about the Watermelon Stevens but I really, really don't.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 12, 2019 22:14:07 GMT -5
Steven's VA opens up on his mental illness.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:10:35 GMT -5
The pacing of this special is... very wonky so far. Feels like it's really rushing through things.
All the more reason they probably should've not spent so much time with the last episode to have a bit more time to devote to the beginning of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:55:51 GMT -5
So, that was... Uh... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It was certainly eventful, I'll definitely give it that.
So like... Did they think they were making a series finale? Because this legitimately seems to have closed off every lingering plot point, and everything about it feels VERY rushed as a result. Especially everything with White, they went from basically setting her up as wholly unredeemable and completely unstoppable to having her beaten effortlessly and face-turned like it was nothing in the span of one scene.
I dunno. I think as an actual episode it was a pretty mixed bag in large part due to the wonky-ass pacing, though there is certainly plenty to remember, but I have no clue where the show can even go from here because there is just NOTHING left short of bringing in some outside influence.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 21, 2019 20:09:51 GMT -5
So That's All Folks? {Spoiler}
Change Your Mind
So is this the finale, it has a very series finale vibe to me, I mean what is there left to do?
So we get all the Diamonds on our side, un corrupt all the gems, get all new fusions, what now? That being said it was great, for a moment thought White was not going to convinced, but once she was proven wrong with Pink being gone, she broke down.
So we found out what happened to Pink Pearl, is she going to leave with us now, we got Bizmuth, Lapis, and Peridot with us, room for one more.
I wonder what happens, I wonder if all the Diamonds going to travel through out the universe and free every planet they conquer and say sorry our bad.
Anyway interesting to see what happens in the movie, is there a Black Diamond we got to face?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 21, 2019 20:10:56 GMT -5
The show isn't over guys
Confirmed Season 6, and a Movie.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 21, 2019 20:14:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:19:54 GMT -5
I dunno, I could kind of see season six being either really good or really bad at this point. {Spoiler}On one hand, while I think it was rather messy, I am perfectly fine with being done with the Homeworld arc (other than the lingering question of Pink Pearl I guess but I don't really care that much nor do the characters in the show seem to given how no one even acknowledged it) because... Yeah, this arc got old a long time ago and really did need to just be wrapped up already. So bringing in some new threat in its place would be very welcome in my view.
On the other, I could very easily see anything from here getting a very season-nine-of-Scrubs feel of needlessly adding onto a finished story and cluttering things up in the process. Plus I can also see a ton of town episodes coming out of this and... Yeah. Yeah, I do not even slightly care about 90% of the townspeople. Though at least shifting the focus to them now wouldn't be getting in the way of actual plot progression I guess.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 21, 2019 20:24:41 GMT -5
So That's All Folks? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Change Your Mind
I wonder what happens, I wonder if all the Diamonds going to travel through out the universe and free every planet they conquer and say sorry our bad.
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} I think this kind of thing is actually likely. The writers strike me as the type to listen to the criticisms about redeeming the diamonds, and there's a natural arc about "Welp, we imperialed and recognize that's bad now, so... uh, who gets power now, and how?"
Plus, did mystery girl come back? No? SHOW NOT OVER
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