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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 10:37:41 GMT -5
Maybe I should have said my idea in a Paul Heyman accent and get the WON Award for Most Awesome Genius Ever 2013
"Let's make it adult, violent, real, gritty, sleeze, shameful and something kids have to watch":
Heyman circa 1994: Genuis
Gorilla Monsoon (kinda) 2013: Terrible idea.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Nov 16, 2013 11:02:05 GMT -5
They need someone bold and young and fresh and... ...well, they need me. I'd be innovative and scrap the crowd. Make it real, make it bloody, make it adult. Make parents afraid to let their kids watch (which means the kids will want to more than anything) have bad language, nudity, adult themes. Have entire shows that take place in a parking lot. Throw away the gimmicks and have people dressed as mean mothers, just looking for a fight. Ugly men, street-wise men. Have more innuendo and T&A than Vince McMahon could wet dream about.. Smash glass, push boundaries, make it graphic and unsuitable for anyone under the age of 17 and then watch everyone under 17 desperate to by-pass their parents and want to watch it. You cannot take on Vince by having a ring, an area, pyro and guys who can execute a series of suplexes. It's not going to happen so make TNA a dirty, dingy, backwater, bastard red-haired step-son of the wrestling industry. This is similar to what I would do, bar scrapping the ring and the arena although it would be more gritty and I think the six sided ring should be brought back as a way to differentiate between the 4 sided mainstream and TNA. I think the way forward is definitely "reality" and I think that you're right, throwing guys in colorful tights out there into a well lit arena to do a bunch of suplexes isn't the way forward for TNA. In my opinion the way forward is exactly what the acronym TNA stands for, Total Nonstop Action, everything should be raw and exciting and you and it should be a series of raw and exciting and unmissable moments from the time the show starts until the time the show starts again and the reason I don't say ends is because the action should never end. Impact365 should also be turned up and we should see feuds and characters spill out over from Impact into life, lines should be blurred to the point that it transcends a shoot and becomes kayfabe again and it should be done in the most raucous way possible. I have had a lot more thoughts on this but it would take too long to post.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 16, 2013 11:26:12 GMT -5
Maybe I should have said my idea in a Paul Heyman accent and get the WON Award for Most Awesome Genius Ever 2013 "Let's make it adult, violent, real, gritty, sleeze, shameful and something kids have to watch": Heyman circa 1994: Genuis Gorilla Monsoon (kinda) 2013: Terrible idea. In 1994 the idea is a perfect reflection of the pop culture of the time. In 2013, not so much.
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Post by They Killed the Giggler on Nov 16, 2013 11:46:50 GMT -5
Brimstone, if he isn't busy making movies or appearing at charity functions.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Nov 16, 2013 16:46:01 GMT -5
Steve Job's ghost.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 16, 2013 17:00:44 GMT -5
F
He was around for Vince's biggest years before getting the boot in 2002. I'm sure he'll be motivated to knock Vince down a notch.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 16, 2013 18:55:39 GMT -5
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Nov 16, 2013 20:01:39 GMT -5
What about that Kassius Ohno fella?
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Nov 16, 2013 20:04:52 GMT -5
They have had Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Sting...four of the biggest names in wrestling history and none of them have taken TNA to the next level. There isnt anyone possible that will turn them around. John Cena or The Rock would, but neither of them are ever happening. Even with Cena I'm not convinced he could pull it off. The Rock, maybe, but good luck getting him to appear more than once in a blue moon with his schedule.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 16, 2013 20:26:01 GMT -5
They need someone bold and young and fresh and... ...well, they need me. I'd be innovative and scrap the crowd. Make it real, make it bloody, make it adult. Make parents afraid to let their kids watch (which means the kids will want to more than anything) have bad language, nudity, adult themes. Have entire shows that take place in a parking lot. Throw away the gimmicks and have people dressed as mean mothers, just looking for a fight. Ugly men, street-wise men. Have more innuendo and T&A than Vince McMahon could wet dream about.. Smash glass, push boundaries, make it graphic and unsuitable for anyone under the age of 17 and then watch everyone under 17 desperate to by-pass their parents and want to watch it. You cannot take on Vince by having a ring, an area, pyro and guys who can execute a series of suplexes. It's not going to happen so make TNA a dirty, dingy, backwater, bastard red-haired step-son of the wrestling industry. I say without hyperbole that sounds absolutely horrible. so you'd be perfect for the job
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 16, 2013 21:16:47 GMT -5
For all of TNA's faults at least they aren't doing this terrible idea. Fine let's see how 6 more years of being the less interesting version of the blandest mainstream wrestling product of the last 30 years gets them. If you want to compete with McMahon you have to hit him where it hurts - television. You have to make your television show 'must see' and you go from there. With that you need to de-construct the entire genre.If I was sat here in 1996 and said you needed to change the industry, have adult themes, violence, nudity, innuendo, do away with the traditional 'good guy/bad guy' thing - there'd have been similar objections. You cannot move forward by simply aping ssomething else. TNA has to try and be different and whether that means having to target the adult market and make their show more gritty and realistic and more 'street' so be it. Either that or keep on putting colourful leotards on guys fresh out of wrestling school and wonder why nobody is going nuts over a rehash of same tired-old wrestling angle storyline we see repeated every five minutes. You cannot beat McMahon at what he does so why try to? Why not try to produce a unique television programme? And how can you produce a unique TV show if you stick rigidly to the rules. There's only so much you can do when you have a well-lit area, a ring, pyro, a crowd, a traditionally segmented TV show and a roster full of guys who have been round the block 1000 times. What else can they do to turn things around? Give the babyface a new hat? WWE have the mainstream, family friendly market sewn up. Why bother competing? If WWE is the show kids sit down with their parents to watch make TNA the show that teens have to sneak up to their bedrooms to stream online. I do agree with the "make TNA more towards adults" part, but I don't agree with the "turn TNA into a large scale backyard fed" part.
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Post by They Killed the Giggler on Nov 16, 2013 21:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 22:15:24 GMT -5
Maybe I should have said my idea in a Paul Heyman accent and get the WON Award for Most Awesome Genius Ever 2013 "Let's make it adult, violent, real, gritty, sleeze, shameful and something kids have to watch": Heyman circa 1994: Genuis Gorilla Monsoon (kinda) 2013: Terrible idea. In 1994 the idea is a perfect reflection of the pop culture of the time. In 2013, not so much. Pop culture now is twerking. And may I be the first to say to Samoa Joe - get your fat arse out of my face, like.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 16, 2013 22:20:17 GMT -5
Fine let's see how 6 more years of being the less interesting version of the blandest mainstream wrestling product of the last 30 years gets them. If you want to compete with McMahon you have to hit him where it hurts - television. You have to make your television show 'must see' and you go from there. With that you need to de-construct the entire genre.If I was sat here in 1996 and said you needed to change the industry, have adult themes, violence, nudity, innuendo, do away with the traditional 'good guy/bad guy' thing - there'd have been similar objections. You cannot move forward by simply aping ssomething else. TNA has to try and be different and whether that means having to target the adult market and make their show more gritty and realistic and more 'street' so be it. Either that or keep on putting colourful leotards on guys fresh out of wrestling school and wonder why nobody is going nuts over a rehash of same tired-old wrestling angle storyline we see repeated every five minutes. You cannot beat McMahon at what he does so why try to? Why not try to produce a unique television programme? And how can you produce a unique TV show if you stick rigidly to the rules. There's only so much you can do when you have a well-lit area, a ring, pyro, a crowd, a traditionally segmented TV show and a roster full of guys who have been round the block 1000 times. What else can they do to turn things around? Give the babyface a new hat? WWE have the mainstream, family friendly market sewn up. Why bother competing? If WWE is the show kids sit down with their parents to watch make TNA the show that teens have to sneak up to their bedrooms to stream online. I do agree with the "make TNA more towards adults" part, but I don't agree with the "turn TNA into a large scale backyard fed" part. Well there are ways of doing it. I don't mean get a load of long haired, sexual inexperienced men in their 40s to wrestle in a ring that's literally covered in masking tape. But there are things they could do. Fight in low-lit arenas so it seems a bit less showbizy. Either take the crowd out completely so every match feels dark and eerie or go back to what WWE had in the early days where you see literally nothing other tha than the ring with a dirty great spotlight on it with everything else just pitch black. Essentially make it something people can watch without them feeling like they're watching a wrestling show. Strip it down to the bare bones. Tough, ugly men fighting each other for money. Never mind all this razmatas cack. People already know wrestling is fake but for some it's harder to swallow with florescent leotards and $5,000 video promos accompanying each entrance. Just make it feel as if it could be real to allow people who cannot for traditional wrestling, suspend their disbelief for a couple of hours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 22:27:22 GMT -5
Monsoon does have it right in a sense and I always thought thats the direction TNA needs to go.
WWE has the family friendly market locked up so stop fighting to try and gain THAT audience and they wont change because their sponsors mean everything to them more so than ever before.
So target the audience that WWE has pushed away which is the college age demographic.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Nov 16, 2013 22:32:53 GMT -5
I'd go the opposite way from what you suggested and make it more for kids. It would be full cartoon. Like, there would be CGI ninjas they would have to fight and TNA wouldn't just be a wrestling federation - they would be a wrestling federation trying to protect the earth from invading aliens that wage war solely through wrestling. I'd sell the kids on the idea that the WWE wrestlers are too cowardly to fight aliens, so the poor, valiant underdogs in TNA fight for our lives[Hulk Hogan's theme would play here] so that the spoiled kids over at WWE can play a game of hot potato over their belt.
The belt in the company would be a portal stone, and any wrestler who held it would become three times as strong if he activated it but at the cost of some of his sanity. Their goal would be to keep the opposing aliens from having the super powerful belt, which would be the only thing between the aliens and enslaving the human race. PPVs would be things like spaceship themed, where wrestlers would have to fight the aliens who won the belt trying to steal it back from them before they got back to earth and so on. I'd use CGI to make wrestlers do things that no human being should objectively be able to do and still sell it dead seriously in a "...Are they seriously expecting me to take this serious--OH GOD YES THEY ARE" kind o way.
Then there would be ridiculous training montages and episodes shot entirely without a crowd that consisted solely of the wrestlers climbing a mountain to become stronger, master finishing moves and all that. This would make each match feel more special because, though it would be a wrestling show, we wouldn't have wrestling matches every night - oh no. We would have lumberjacks climbing mountains in British Columbia smashing their elbows against trees to master their new finisher. We would have Derrick Bateman finding out that the United States has been controlled by a lizard. We would have beauty son.
What I'm saying is I want TNA to become a live action Ultimate Muscle.
And that's why I should never be allowed to write a wrestling show.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 16, 2013 22:40:39 GMT -5
In 1994 the idea is a perfect reflection of the pop culture of the time. In 2013, not so much. Pop culture now is twerking. And may I be the first to say to Samoa Joe - get your fat arse out of my face, like. And in the mid-90's it was the Macarena, which was no less silly. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here other then you don't want to see Samoa Joe twerking. I'm pretty sure we could probably get the UN Security Council to pass some resolutions on to prevent happening. Here's the thing about every generations pop culture - it's not created by people looking for something good, it's created by people looking for something different. Something their generation can call their own, something they can be apart of and turn around and say to their parents "well you just don't understand kids nowadays". Putting on pro wrestling shows straight out of 1994 ECW isn't gonna do that. You're not gonna attract the next generation as much as you're just gonna attract the 30/40-somethings who never got over the original ECW shutting down in the first place. All kids are gonna see is their Dad's wrestling company (as opposed to now where they see their little brothers wrestling company). This is why when Paul Heyman talks about what he would do if he was running a wrestling company nowadays it's more about a submission based, MMA-style fed, and less about sleazy, hardcore garbage wrestling. That's what the current pop culture considers edgy and trendy. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of telling Lady Gaga that the best way she can hold onto the teen audience that listens to her is to start looking and sounding more like Nirvana. It's just a ridiculous claim to make.
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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 16, 2013 22:45:21 GMT -5
TNA should be a realistic, down-to-earth show... that's completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots. And also, you should win things by watching.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Nov 16, 2013 23:04:57 GMT -5
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Nov 16, 2013 23:07:23 GMT -5
Pop culture now is twerking. And may I be the first to say to Samoa Joe - get your fat arse out of my face, like. And in the mid-90's it was the Macarena, which was no less silly. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here other then you don't want to see Samoa Joe twerking. I'm pretty sure we could probably get the UN Security Council to pass some resolutions on to prevent happening. Here's the thing about every generations pop culture - it's not created by people looking for something good, it's created by people looking for something different. Something their generation can call their own, something they can be apart of and turn around and say to their parents "well you just don't understand kids nowadays". Putting on pro wrestling shows straight out of 1994 ECW isn't gonna do that. You're not gonna attract the next generation as much as you're just gonna attract the 30/40-somethings who never got over the original ECW shutting down in the first place. All kids are gonna see is their Dad's wrestling company (as opposed to now where they see their little brothers wrestling company). This is why when Paul Heyman talks about what he would do if he was running a wrestling company nowadays it's more about a submission based, MMA-style fed, and less about sleazy, hardcore garbage wrestling. That's what the current pop culture considers edgy and trendy. What you're suggesting is the equivalent of telling Lady Gaga that the best way she can hold onto the teen audience that listens to her is to start looking and sounding more like Nirvana. It's just a ridiculous claim to make. I'd love a Lady Gaga-esque wrestling company. A highly perfected spectacle, yet dirty and hypersexualized at the same time. Think of WWE's current production values and sterile look mixed with the Extreme themes. Female performers would be total bombshells, but with the technical skills of serious womens wrestlers. Male wrestlers would look have that clean fitness model homoerotic look (not every, but at least half). Everything would be clean, but fetishized.
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