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Post by psychokiller on Nov 20, 2013 20:46:25 GMT -5
Who would you say had more talent overall when comparing Benoit/Guerrero vs Punk/Bryan?
Also, I could possibly see them doing something similar for Mania XXX in terms of having both Punk & Bryan winning/retaining the world titles like Benoit/Guerrero did at Mania XX.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Nov 20, 2013 21:03:47 GMT -5
I actually don't think this is a fair comparison to make. If we call XX Benoit/Guerrero's career high mark, they had already 20 years experience in the business (they both turned 37 that year). They had made names for themselves in other countries, and had been able to ply their craft in other companies that had a high profile. Punk and Danielson have not had that same opportunity since for most of their professional careers, WWE has been the only major player and neither have a lot of experience in other countries. I don't think its fair to put ROH on the same level as WCW/ECW/Japan/Mexico.
While I think they can be compared on some levels, just the nature of the business alone is so drastically different that its kind of hard to be fair about it. I think Punk and Bryan will have a more lasting legacy (Im throwing Benoit's heinous acts out the window here) simply because of the time that Punk/Bryan have become world renowned. The exposure is a lot greater and more saturated now than it was for Guererro/Benoit. I think in a few years this comparison will be easier to make. But in terms of wrestling alone, Punk/Danielson do not even come close to Guererro/Benoit at the moment. The diversity in experience that Guererro/Benoit were able to get before that high watermark of XX is incomparable.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 20, 2013 21:05:36 GMT -5
Guerrero was amazingly well rounded everywhere, but Benoit, while an in ring beast, couldn't play any character outside of generic tough guy. Punk and Bryan's versatility put them over the top.
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Post by Boo! on Nov 20, 2013 21:13:29 GMT -5
Benoit and Guerrero. I like Punk a lot but there's an awful lot about Daniel Bryan which is typically internet 'He's the current fad so OMG he's the best ever, who'll win in a fight Daniel Bryan or every wrestler ever? I say Bryan because he's been popular for a while and is getting a push so he'll definitely be the greatest of all time." It's where the internet lets itself down. I rememeber when Christian was being spoken about in these terms on the basis he was getting a wee push on the back of his Captain Charisma gimmick. Building up guys where it's 'unless you make him world champ we riot' levels, never, ever, ever works out well for anyone. It's why as a collective the internet should not be allowed to have favourites.  |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 20, 2013 21:14:34 GMT -5
Guerrero was amazingly well rounded everywhere, but Benoit, while an in ring beast, couldn't play any character outside of generic tough guy. Punk and Bryan's versatility put them over the top. Yeah, same for me. Couldn't split them on the wrestling, so I did it on personality... and Benoit had a lot less of it than Guerrero, Punk and Bryan. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 21:15:54 GMT -5
Punk Guerrero
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Nov 20, 2013 21:18:56 GMT -5
Benoit and Guerrero. I like Punk a lot but there's an awful lot about Daniel Bryan which is typically internet 'He's the current fad so OMG he's the best ever, who'll win in a fight Daniel Bryan or every wrestler ever? I say Bryan because he's been popular for a while and is getting a push so he'll definitely be the greatest of all time." It's where the internet lets itself down. I rememeber when Christian was being spoken about in these terms on the basis he was getting a wee push on the back of his Captain Charisma gimmick. Building up guys where it's 'unless you make him world champ we riot' levels, never, ever, ever works out well for anyone. It's why as a collective the internet should not be allowed to have favourites. Yeah, Bryan's popularity is a "fad" that's why he's been touted as probably the best wrestler on the planet (in-ring at least) by a good percentage of people who've seen his work for over a decade now. You might not like Bryan or think him worthy of the Benoit/Guerrero comparison but to call his popularity a fad is woefully incorrect. |
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 20, 2013 21:26:11 GMT -5
Eddie is my favorite wrestler ever so it's hard for me to judge this objectively.
I'll say Eddie is best of the group and Krispen is the worst of the 4. I take the Eddie pairing but it's close.
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Post by britishbulldog on Nov 20, 2013 21:30:47 GMT -5
In ring I go with Eddie/Chris. Punk is the weak link for me in the ring. Character wise I think it is close, but still give it to Eddie/Chris.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 20, 2013 21:41:55 GMT -5
Punk/Bryan just based on mic skills, which Eddie had to a degree and Benoit didn't really have at all. The elder two were probably a bit better in the ring overall than the younger two, but the 'new' guys have more of the tools that go into being a wrestler, i.e. more than just the ring work.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 20, 2013 21:47:07 GMT -5
Benoit and Guerrero. I like Punk a lot but there's an awful lot about Daniel Bryan which is typically internet 'He's the current fad so OMG he's the best ever, who'll win in a fight Daniel Bryan or every wrestler ever? I say Bryan because he's been popular for a while and is getting a push so he'll definitely be the greatest of all time." It's where the internet lets itself down. I rememeber when Christian was being spoken about in these terms on the basis he was getting a wee push on the back of his Captain Charisma gimmick. Building up guys where it's 'unless you make him world champ we riot' levels, never, ever, ever works out well for anyone. It's why as a collective the internet should not be allowed to have favourites. Bryan has had the best matches this year, and is arguably, right now, the most consistently cheered guy they have amongst marks and smarks and casuals. He's not being forced on us. The crowd is demanding him. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Nov 20, 2013 21:48:12 GMT -5
Benoit and Guerrero. I like Punk a lot but there's an awful lot about Daniel Bryan which is typically internet 'He's the current fad so OMG he's the best ever, who'll win in a fight Daniel Bryan or every wrestler ever? I say Bryan because he's been popular for a while and is getting a push so he'll definitely be the greatest of all time." It's where the internet lets itself down. I rememeber when Christian was being spoken about in these terms on the basis he was getting a wee push on the back of his Captain Charisma gimmick. Building up guys where it's 'unless you make him world champ we riot' levels, never, ever, ever works out well for anyone. It's why as a collective the internet should not be allowed to have favourites. Bryan has had the best matches this year, and is arguably, right now, the most consistently cheered guy they have amongst marks and smarks and casuals. He's not being forced on us. The crowd is demanding him. That's what WWE wants you to think. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Nov 20, 2013 21:52:36 GMT -5
Bryan has had the best matches this year, and is arguably, right now, the most consistently cheered guy they have amongst marks and smarks and casuals. He's not being forced on us. The crowd is demanding him. That's what WWE wants you to think. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! "THEY'RE PIPING IN CHEERS AND ILM IS EDITING FANS FACES TO LOOK EXCITED! AND IF YOU LOOK CLOSE ENOUGH, YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIS BENOIT'S GHOST IS NOW HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN." |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 20, 2013 21:54:46 GMT -5
Benoit and Guerrero thus far, but it's really too soon to tell.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 20, 2013 21:58:20 GMT -5
Punk and Bryan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 22:02:28 GMT -5
Very tough call, I can't really make it. Though I will say I think Eddie Guerrero was the best out of these 4.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Nov 20, 2013 22:25:35 GMT -5
Punk/Bryan for me. In my opinion both are really two of the best wrestlers ever to step foot in the ring, both can play heel or face equally great and can have a decent to great match with anyone on the roster.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Nov 20, 2013 22:27:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm split. Personally, if I could, I'd vote Bryan/Guerrero - Bryan for being the best worker out of the four and Eddie as the best on the mic/charismatic out of the four. As it is, I'd say Bryan/Punk, as Punk's great on the mic and good in the ring; Benoit was good in the ring, but dreadful on the mic and wasn't all that charismatic.
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Post by tms on Nov 20, 2013 22:35:32 GMT -5
I'd argue that Eddie and Bryan are the two most talented in-ring wrestlers I've seen in the last 20 years. Eddie in particular is ridiculously underrated for just how good of an athlete/technician/brawler/everything he was throughout the bulk of his career. Benoit was a tremendous in-ring worker. Punk's not as gifted athletically as the others, but can put on a great match with the best of them on any given night. I'd call Bryan-Guerrero a near-wash, and say Benoit (while limited by WWE style for most of his tenure there) was a better wrestler than Punk; so Guerrero-Benoit.
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Post by DSR on Nov 21, 2013 0:14:16 GMT -5
Punk and Danielson have not had that same opportunity since for most of their professional careers, WWE has been the only major player and neither have a lot of experience in other countries. I don't think its fair to put ROH on the same level as WCW/ECW/Japan/Mexico. Bryan's spent plenty of time abroad, working in FMW, NJPW, NOAH, Germany's wXw, and several UK feds. |
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