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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 27, 2013 9:01:39 GMT -5
I was never a huge fan, but I definitely won't listen to any of the work involving Watkins willingly. If the other band members form a new project, I'll gladly listen to it, but I never want to hear anything sung by him again. He's by far the lowest of the low, just utter human feces.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2013 9:17:31 GMT -5
Also, comparing it to the Michael Jackson case is ridiculous because Jackson was found not guilty, twice. Not only was Watkins found guilty, he PLED guilty. You could make an argument for 'oh well the evidence was tampered with' or some other conspiracy bullshit, but Watkins pled guilty and so did his accomplices. I'm comparing it because while Jackson was acquitted, it still hangs over his music and legacy. If it still hangs over Michael, Lostprophets have no chanced to get away from it. Fair point, withdrawn.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 27, 2013 9:25:47 GMT -5
I have probably a bit of a different perspective about this. a few of the bands I listen to have members (in some cases the only member) who are murderers. that fact doesn't get in the way of me enjoying their music. it's perfectly fine to separate an artist from their artwork and continue to enjoy it. and if you're going to hang Lostprophets for having a sicko for a singer when the rest of the band probably didn't know about it, you should hang every other band whose had this happen to them too, which isn't fair in the slightest.
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Post by Mesousa287793 on Nov 27, 2013 9:28:20 GMT -5
I've never been a huge lostprophets fan, but I've liked several of their major hits and there's no way I can listen to them without linking the meaning of the song to the acts of the singer. This is just my opinion though, other people can do whatever they want. If you think you can listen to the songs and not associate them with what the singer did, good for you. I just don't know how anyone could do that. That's the hard part, though. I mean, imagine having a shirt of Lostprophets now. People will then retroactively think you're a baby f***er because you wear a Lostprophets shirt. That's like wearing a shirt of a murderer and people will give you rough looks and will also retroactively think you're a murderer as well.
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Post by Reflecto on Nov 27, 2013 12:06:53 GMT -5
One similar topic to come from the non-UK people: In Britain, Lostprophets were apparently big before this happened.
Overseas, though, Lostprophets were never a particularly huge band- they had a brief success here, but never really broke out of the list of 2000s "buzz bands" to become bonafide rock stars here. They had a few singles, but none were so huge that you could still hear their songs all the time on the radio once they left the charts. In the UK, if a radio station says "we'll never play Lostprophets again", you would know- but in America, if a station did, it'd be hardpressed to know if any listeners would even notice (and even other cases happen for the same- using the example of Gary Glitter- his career ended the same way, but "Rock and Roll Pt.2" still gets played regularly in arenas with almost no one noticing.)
Tying it into other points: With Michael Jackson, the charges were so questionable, and Jackson's output was so iconic, it would have been hard not to notice assuming he was ever found guilty. With a band that's kind of well-known, it's easy to say "it's over- we're never playing them again", get rid of all the CDs you owned, etc. over it [like Lostprophets in the UK.] But for the barely known bands or kind of obscure ones, is there any way to notice, and if so, does the fact they're barely known change things?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 12:40:35 GMT -5
Yeah....
One, I just like Rooftops, literally went onsa straight album listen and lliked only Rooftops
Two, I can separate person from artist. For example, I still love Chris Brown music wise.
And three, minorly joking but partially serious, I'm kinda glad the other members are moving on....the singer was the weakest member of the band to be honest
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Nov 27, 2013 12:51:07 GMT -5
You still hear Gary Glitter songs every now and again. I've heard Rock and Roll Part 1 a few places whilst in the USA. Although the people responsible may be guilty of horrible crimes, a good song is still a good song and it doesn't make you a paedophile if you listen to it.
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Post by Shy Guy on Nov 27, 2013 15:03:27 GMT -5
i think the band will do ok if they go under a different name and get a singer that sounds drastically different than the other one.
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Post by Hit Girl on Nov 27, 2013 15:04:03 GMT -5
E! Online ran this story, but unfortunately used a picture of the wrong Ian Watkins. They used a picture of "H" from "Steps, who happens to share the same name. Inevitably abuse occured and he's had to leave Twitter. Link
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 27, 2013 15:06:15 GMT -5
E! Online ran this story, but unfortunately used a picture of the wrong Ian Watkins. They used a picture of "H" from "Steps, who happens to share the same name. Inevitably abuse occured and he's had to leave Twitter. LinkOk this happens way to f'in often... can sites please take the like 5 seconds to check if the name/picture you are releasing is correct before potentially ruining some unrelated person's life.
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Post by Orange on Nov 27, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
Unless the other band members took part or knew about it and covered it up, I don't think there'll be any reprimand for them. That name, though? That name might as well be "Adolf Hitler and the Nautical Nazis"; it's done.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 27, 2013 15:30:20 GMT -5
You still hear Gary Glitter songs every now and again. I've heard Rock and Roll Part 1 a few places whilst in the USA. Although the people responsible may be guilty of horrible crimes, a good song is still a good song and it doesn't make you a paedophile if you listen to it. I hear it on occasion too, but Seven Nation Army seems to be gradually replacing it as the new Jock Jam of choice.
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Post by Legion on Nov 27, 2013 15:31:35 GMT -5
The only song of their's I liked was that Rooftops song WWE used to promote Jeff Hardy for a bit.
I'll probably still listen to it, because I'm cold and heartless and I like the song, and he never molested me, so I dont really care, but sure, generally speaking no one will want to ever hear their stuff again except for jokes at bastard parties.
Like music by Gary Glitter, or the 'humour' that came with Jimmy Saville's revelations
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Post by Glitch on Nov 27, 2013 15:57:24 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of how some of my perfectly sane friends can still listen to Burzum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2013 17:04:51 GMT -5
My and my friend were talking about this last night. With regards to the rest of the band, I think they'll probably go their separate ways as collectively they will always be known as the group that was with that massive pedophile
With regards to listening to the music, we were both undecided, not massive fans but like their music well enough. I can separate Beniot from his actions during a match and can separate an artist from their work in general but this is some really sick stuff (Not to downplay Beniot or anyone else)
I dunno yet to be honest. Either way it's not going to change my life really if I stop listening to them or not
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Post by Orange on Nov 27, 2013 17:10:46 GMT -5
I have probably a bit of a different perspective about this. a few of the bands I listen to have members (in some cases the only member) who are murderers. that fact doesn't get in the way of me enjoying their music. it's perfectly fine to separate an artist from their artwork and continue to enjoy it. and if you're going to hang Lostprophets for having a sicko for a singer when the rest of the band probably didn't know about it, you should hang every other band whose had this happen to them too, which isn't fair in the slightest. If this whole situation was going on about KISS, even though I've loved KISS since practically birth, it'd be very hard for me to continue to listen to them. Some people might be able to easily separate Ian Watkins the person from the singer, but I know if I was huge on them (as opposed to only knowing one song from them like I do now) it'd be impossible for me to do.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 27, 2013 17:24:58 GMT -5
I liked their music some, but it's going to be really hard to listen to their music from hereon out and not think of what a sick f*** their lead singer was.
I am pretty sure that the rest of the band members had no idea this was going on, so I think they'll be fine as long as it stays that way.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Nov 27, 2013 22:23:41 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of how some of my perfectly sane friends can still listen to Burzum. that'd be one of the bands I was talking about in my last post (the others are Dissection, Mayhem and Emperor, though Bard Faust only played on the first one). by the same stroke, I'm not gonna stop listening to Decrepit Birth just because their old rhythm player was a diddler.
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Post by Crusty Ruffles on Nov 28, 2013 0:44:03 GMT -5
Unless the other band members took part or knew about it and covered it up, I don't think there'll be any reprimand for them. That name, though? That name might as well be "Adolf Hitler and the Nautical Nazis"; it's done. If I ever form a band, I'm so stealing that name.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 9:52:36 GMT -5
You still hear Gary Glitter songs every now and again. I've heard Rock and Roll Part 1 a few places whilst in the USA. Although the people responsible may be guilty of horrible crimes, a good song is still a good song and it doesn't make you a paedophile if you listen to it. The thing is that in America, Gary Glitter is a one hit wonder and only known for Rock and Roll Part 1 but then again a lot of people probably don't even know who sing the song, and just think of it as "that football song"
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