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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 11, 2013 6:26:55 GMT -5
"The Un-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior"
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 11, 2013 6:34:48 GMT -5
I want it to be a 3 disc set and every single match is Warrior/ Hunter Hearst Helmsley from WM12
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 11, 2013 7:43:21 GMT -5
If 1 disk was nothing but delving into every detail that was "Hogan/Warrior II" I'd buy a dozen.
I find the whole fiasco to be fascinating every time I read about it. It's almost like something idiotic i would have personally booked out of sheer morbid curiosity.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 11, 2013 7:56:28 GMT -5
Warrior had enough matches of quality to fill up a DVD--especially when you combine quality matches with notable matches. He's no Ric Flair, but he has enough. I would imagine there'd be a lot of promos on it as well--alongside a new documentary. Honestly, I don't know of a single good match that he's had outside of his two matches with Savage (Mania and Savage) and his Mania match with Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 8:45:54 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior: We are on Good Terms Now, Vol 1.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 11, 2013 8:49:21 GMT -5
Time heals all wounds, and mutual money grubbing is a great motivator.
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Post by repomark on Dec 11, 2013 13:52:33 GMT -5
Filling three discs is a challenge. Mmmm. Let's try:
1. Vs Hercules (wm4) 2. Vs Honky Tonk (summerslam 88) 3. Vs Honky Tonk (steel cage) 4. Vs Randy Savage (saturday nights main event i think) 5. Vs Rick Rude (wm5) 6. Vs Haku 7. Vs Rick Rude (summerslam 89) 8. Vs Andre the Giant 9. Warriors vs Heenan Family (survivor series 89) 10. Warrior and Hulk Hogan vs Genius and Mr Perfect 11. Vs Hulk Hogan (wm6) 12. Vs Rick Rude (summerslam 90) 13. Vs Mr Perfect 14. Vs Ted Dibiase 15. Vs Sgt Slaughter (royal rumble 91) 16. Vs Randy Savage (cage match) 17. Vs Randy Savage (wm7 career match) 18. Vs Undertaker (body bag match) 19. Warrior and Hogan vs Slaughter, Adnan and mustafa (ss91) 20. Warrior vs Papa Shango 21. Warrior vs Randy Savage (ss92) 22. Warrior vs Hunter Hearst Helmsley (wm12)
Leave off wcw, but for a brief mentioning. Maybe also some Blade Runners stuff from pre wwe, survivor series 90 and the weasel suit stuff with heenan.
Oh and promos. Plenty of promos. And christian and jericho doing impressions of the promos.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2013 15:13:07 GMT -5
I can't remember if they were on the Jake Roberts set, but if they weren't, the Warrior/Jake training segments HAVE to be here.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 11, 2013 15:16:42 GMT -5
the reconstruction of the ultimate warrior! The Ultimate Warrior: Eh, he wasn't so bad after all. Warrior/Rude was a fantastic match that Ive always found severely underrated
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Post by mizerable on Dec 11, 2013 16:00:14 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know of a single good match that he's had outside of his two matches with Savage (Mania and Savage) and his Mania match with Hogan. Repomark already made a great list of matches. Just because Warrior was known for "short matches" doesn't mean all his matches were short, nor were any of his other matches bad. A lot of big names were pushed in the same way. Hogan had his times where he absolutely destroyed his opponents in short order. It helps build up a reputation for a guy, that when they finally get to someone they can't beat in seconds, it creates tension and drama. It got people's curiousity to buy the PPV if Warrior or Hogan could overcome this guy. At the time, it was a sound way to book someone.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 11, 2013 16:11:15 GMT -5
So if they really do release this are the WWE going to now pretend that they never released the Self Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 11, 2013 17:21:18 GMT -5
They were wrong about what they said, especially Bobby. I don't care if Warrior was "there for himself". Why else would you put your body through that if you weren't making money? It's also hypocritical since Bobby says very clearly in his second book that if you're in this business for any other reason than money, you're an idiot. To me, neither constitutes the other as a lie. A person whose in it for the money is going to make sure he gets the maximum amount of money, not only by promoting himself, but his opponents when called for, the company in general, and ultimately more for him, rinse, repeat. A person who's in it for himself/herself doesn't have that foresight and is only thinking about them at all times, at the cost of opponents who would have better benefited everybody if put over or anyone else that wasn't numero uno. Bobby may have been in it for the money, but he also knew there was even more money to be had if he did the right thing in situations, not just the right thing for him. If getting his ass kicked by a midget after months of driving crowds into a frenzy meant the next card would draw even bigger, by God he would lay down for and bleed for Little Bruiser. He was never afraid of looking stupid or like a buffoon, never afraid to be on the losing side of things. Also, you *have* to be in the business to make money. You have to. To live, survive, whatever. It's a business. But that never excludes one from loving their job as well.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Dec 11, 2013 22:06:28 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior: We are on Good Terms Now, Vol 1. "Now here was a guy who could go in there any night of the week, any town, any crowd, against any guy and give you the greatest match you'd ever seen in your life every single time." "He was a breeze to work with, completely level headed. The Ultimate Warrior was one of the most genuine, great guys in the business." "If WCW had realized what they had when they brought him in and not wasted him, I might not be sitting here talking to you right now."
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Post by mizerable on Dec 11, 2013 22:48:26 GMT -5
To me, neither constitutes the other as a lie. A person whose in it for the money is going to make sure he gets the maximum amount of money, not only by promoting himself, but his opponents when called for, the company in general, and ultimately more for him, rinse, repeat. A person who's in it for himself/herself doesn't have that foresight and is only thinking about them at all times, at the cost of opponents who would have better benefited everybody if put over or anyone else that wasn't numero uno. Bobby may have been in it for the money, but he also knew there was even more money to be had if he did the right thing in situations, not just the right thing for him. If getting his ass kicked by a midget after months of driving crowds into a frenzy meant the next card would draw even bigger, by God he would lay down for and bleed for Little Bruiser. He was never afraid of looking stupid or like a buffoon, never afraid to be on the losing side of things. Also, you *have* to be in the business to make money. You have to. To live, survive, whatever. It's a business. But that never excludes one from loving their job as well. I'm not denying Bobby is right in that you should be in it to make money first and foremost, but to say you're anything less because you don't get along with the person is something different. He judged Warrior on this idea that he went into business for himself any time he got in the ring, which I think is ridiculous. Again, I'm not a Warrior fan but I never saw him take liberties with anyone nor did I ever hear any stories about him using his status to keep others below him. At the end of the day, I still find it ridiculous to blame Warrior for the way he was booked. I doubt it was his plan to go in there, have a quick high energy stiff match and be out of there. That was the 80's. Why don't people get after the Road Warriors for doing the same thing? And in there case, they DID take liberties with guys. At the end of the day, Warrior was there to do a job. Not to make friends. He stayed away from the negative aspects for the most part and has moved on with his life. So for anyone to complain that he wasn't one of the boys...or even worse "flash in the pan". Well, I see a lot more people go to events dressed as Ultimate Warrior than I do with just about everyone else not named Randy Savage or Hulk Hogan. All the "Self Destruction" DVD did was drag a guy's name through the mud 8 years after anyone should really care.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Dec 11, 2013 23:08:59 GMT -5
Warrior could be a rather sloppy worker at times. I think Heenan is factoring that in to his judgement about him in that if he thought more about the safety of the other performer and stop being there just for himself and the money, he would have been better for it.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 12, 2013 0:07:25 GMT -5
"Dancing for Nickels: The Ultimate Warrior Story"
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 12, 2013 0:21:14 GMT -5
He judged Warrior on this idea that he went into business for himself any time he got in the ring, which I think is ridiculous. Again, I'm not a Warrior fan but I never saw him take liberties with anyone nor did I ever hear any stories about him using his status to keep others below him. Warrior absolutely took liberties in the ring. Flair has permanent equilibrium issues since Warrior damaged his ear and hearing. He took liberties with Rude during their matches and after one such match, Rude confronted him asking him to lighten up. Warrior allegedly responded "I don't have to, I'm the Warrior" for which Rude promptly knocked his ass out backstage. He even tried to continue stiffing Andre during matches after Andre told him to knock it off. Warrior didn't listen and he ended up eating a legit Andre boot to the face during a match.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 12, 2013 13:20:29 GMT -5
Warrior absolutely took liberties in the ring. Flair has permanent equilibrium issues since Warrior damaged his ear and hearing. He took liberties with Rude during their matches and after one such match, Rude confronted him asking him to lighten up. Warrior allegedly responded "I don't have to, I'm the Warrior" for which Rude promptly knocked his ass out backstage. He even tried to continue stiffing Andre during matches after Andre told him to knock it off. Warrior didn't listen and he ended up eating a legit Andre boot to the face during a match. When I talk about liberties, I mean someone who goes in there with intent to harm their opponent or to intentionally make them look bad. You may say that Warrior followed the second part, but in all honesty I would think if it was such an issue, then Vince would have pulled the plug on him. If anything, Vince might have encouraged it. I don't know if I entirely blame the Flair thing on Warrior. The house show match I saw had Flair do his turnbuckle flip over the top rope and onto the floor and he landed very hard on his right side, especially his head and seemed shaken up slightly afterwards, or another point where he's booted into the turnbuckle and does a hard Flair Flop, then he cups his ear for a second. There's also a point where Warrior does hit him with the leaping shoulder block and again Flair cups his ear. It's hard to tell what exactly happened since in all cases Flair did an excellent job selling. But I will give credit to Flair for making that match pretty damn entertaining. Regarding stiffing, it was still a very large part of wrestling back then, especially when a very large part of the roster was known to stiff such as Bravo, Brown, Valentine, Piper, Orndorff etc.
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