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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 15, 2013 15:11:06 GMT -5
Seeing the AJ Lee thread that is already 20 pages got me thinking about how WWE goes about reprimanding its talents for bad behaviour (or behaviour that they believe is bad).
Some examples:
- Adrian Adonis is given the flower shop gimmick after putting on a lot of weight.
- Triple H is made to job for a year after the 'curtain call' incident.
- WWE and ECW Champion Rob Van Dam is busted for driving while high, the next episode of TV he loses both titles and then loses to Randy Orton before disappearing off WWE TV.
- Brodus Clay spoils his reappearance on WWE TV as a monster heel and is given a dancing gimmick.
- Jack Swagger drops from the main event scene after his run-in with the law earlier this year.
In some circumstances, WWE is dealing with the law (mostly DUIs) when it comes to punishing talent onscreen. In other instances, WWE punishes someone for a faux-pas (the 'Matt Hardy avoids an Undertaker chokeslam' comes to mind). Other times WWE simply writes someone off TV (Miz attacking R-Truth after his wellness violation, Sheamus taking Sin Cara out at MITB after Cara's wellness violation). Every so often WWE will punish a wrestler by either burying him with losses or saddling him with dumb gimmicks. And if you're holding a title while you're messing up, chances are you won't be in future.
So is WWE correct to publicly punish wrestlers on TV? Are some punishments (dropping titles, jobbing) better than others (dumb gimmicks)? Should all behavioural stuff be left backstage and treated with fines or not being booked?
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 15, 2013 15:13:30 GMT -5
If it's not actively hurting the product by making it unwatchable and it's not very edgy and mean spirited, then I'm fine with it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 15, 2013 15:14:16 GMT -5
It's carny bullshit, flat out. If I owned a restaurant and I wanted to punish one of my employees, would I intentionally let them f*** up orders? No because that's moronic. It just hurts my business and it punishes my consumer base for the actions of one person. If you want to punish someone, let them rot at home until they get their head on straight.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 15, 2013 15:26:49 GMT -5
It's carny bullshit, flat out. If I owned a restaurant and I wanted to punish one of my employees, would I intentionally let them f*** up orders? This is the main reason why the WWF New York restaurant got shut down by the NYC health inspectors. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 15:38:01 GMT -5
- Triple H is made to job for a year after the 'curtain call' incident. He won the IC title two months after the MSG incident. Dude wasn't forced to job. He may have missed out on being King of the Ring, but it's better that Austin won anyway. |
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Post by dav on Dec 15, 2013 15:38:05 GMT -5
How were Triple H and Brodus Clay punished? Triple H the Intercontinental Champion the same year of the Curtain Call incident and Brodus Clay got a gimmick built around him with a big WrestleMania segment that probably netted him a fair bit of money.
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Post by MGH on Dec 15, 2013 15:40:25 GMT -5
You're not punishing them, you're punishing us. So no, it's beyond stupid.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 15, 2013 15:46:17 GMT -5
How were Triple H and Brodus Clay punished? Triple H the Intercontinental Champion the same year of the Curtain Call incident and Brodus Clay got a gimmick built around him with a big WrestleMania segment that probably netted him a fair bit of money. Brodus Clay actually explained why he got the dancing gimmick. He said something along the lines of because he's always cracking jokes backstage, Triple H found him funny, so he wanted to incorporate that into Clay's gimmick. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 15, 2013 15:53:31 GMT -5
It's mandatory to punish a wrestler in their hometown. Just wait and see what happens to Daniel Bryan when WWE goes back to Seattle. Burial like the city of Pompeii. And tradition to write off someone for a Wellness violation by heel beatdown or embarrassment.
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Post by TGM on Dec 15, 2013 16:10:27 GMT -5
It lead to Matt Hardy being stuffed by JBL so I'm happy
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 15, 2013 16:15:17 GMT -5
I don't get it. Aside from sending them home like somebody suggested, how else DO you punish them? Like, the entire point of "punishing" them on TV is to demote their character until they desire their original standing. In a company based solely around that, that seems like a pretty damn logical decision.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Dec 15, 2013 16:19:34 GMT -5
Counterproductiveness at it's finest. Which WWE specializes in.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 15, 2013 16:26:02 GMT -5
- Triple H is made to job for a year after the 'curtain call' incident. He won the IC title two months after the MSG incident. Dude wasn't forced to job. He may have missed out on being King of the Ring, but it's better that Austin won anyway. No, he didn't. He won the IC title in October of 1996. Curtain Call was May 1996. It also cost him the KOTR title. He was supposed to win it that year. Austin was plan B. |
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Post by Lancers on Dec 15, 2013 16:28:07 GMT -5
I think HHH's punishment was feuding with Henry Godwin and doing a pig slop match. I'm sure I'm probably wrong. That crap was nearly 20 years ago and most of my memories of WWF circa 1996 was Sable's tits.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 15, 2013 16:34:13 GMT -5
I don't get it. Aside from sending them home like somebody suggested, how else DO you punish them? Like, the entire point of "punishing" them on TV is to demote their character until they desire their original standing. In a company based solely around that, that seems like a pretty damn logical decision. Give them a fine or something? There's nothing really wrong with punishing people on TV. I just feel that it needs to be done in an a "productive" way that actually benefits someone else (let's say Antonio Cesaro parked in HHH's parking space so now Dolph Ziggler gets to finally win a match) and doesn't feel like it's just wasting the audience's time (i.e. Getting squashed in two minutes by Sheamus, Randy Orton, Khali, etc. or getting embarrassed in a celebrity "comedy" segment) |
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Dec 15, 2013 16:36:13 GMT -5
- WWE and ECW Champion Rob Van Dam is busted for driving while high, the next episode of TV he loses both titles and then loses to Randy Orton before disappearing off WWE TV. RVD's suspension actually happened a year before he was written out and left WWE. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 15, 2013 16:38:53 GMT -5
He won the IC title two months after the MSG incident. Dude wasn't forced to job. He may have missed out on being King of the Ring, but it's better that Austin won anyway. No, he didn't. He won the IC title in October of 1996. Curtain Call was May 1996. It also cost him the KOTR title. He was supposed to win it that year. Austin was plan B. Oooooh I was off by two months. Real biggie... And, I mentioned the KOTR/Austin thing. Regardless, the dude wasn't forced to job for a year. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 15, 2013 16:44:05 GMT -5
No, he didn't. He won the IC title in October of 1996. Curtain Call was May 1996. It also cost him the KOTR title. He was supposed to win it that year. Austin was plan B. Oooooh I was off by two months. Real biggie... And, I mentioned the KOTR/Austin thing. Regardless, the dude wasn't forced to job for a year. Your post was demeaning someone who got facts wrongs. Facts you yourself then got wrong in turn. That's all I'm saying. Your correcting him was nullified by your own error. So get off your high horse, bro. |
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 15, 2013 17:07:17 GMT -5
Its dumb.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 15, 2013 17:17:19 GMT -5
I don't get it. Aside from sending them home like somebody suggested, how else DO you punish them? Like, the entire point of "punishing" them on TV is to demote their character until they desire their original standing. In a company based solely around that, that seems like a pretty damn logical decision. Give them a fine or something? There's nothing really wrong with punishing people on TV. I just feel that it needs to be done in an a "productive" way that actually benefits someone else (let's say Antonio Cesaro parked in HHH's parking space so now Dolph Ziggler gets to finally win a match) and doesn't feel like it's just wasting the audience's time (i.e. Getting squashed in two minutes by Sheamus, Randy Orton, Khali, etc. or getting embarrassed in a celebrity "comedy" segment) "Being embarrassed in a celebrity comedy segment" is so subjective. What could possibly be worse than WWE CEO Vince McMahon getting his head shaved by Donald Trump? Boy, I wonder who Vince pissed off to be scripted to do THAT!!!  |
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