Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 17, 2013 12:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 12:43:39 GMT -5
Good luck with that WWE, I just can't see them getting anything close to what the "real" sports are getting even if the numbers say that they should.
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shaker
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Post by shaker on Dec 17, 2013 12:47:33 GMT -5
I hope this works out well for them. You gotta figure, Raw and Smackdown both get amazing ratings for a cable show, while Main Event does pretty incredibly well for what it is. And Total Divas is definitely a hit - showing that people will watch a show ABOUT wrestling, as well as a wrestling show.
Plus it's on every single week, which has to be pretty appealing for networks that see dips when their popular shows go on hiatuses between seasons.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 17, 2013 13:06:22 GMT -5
Judging by those numbers, this might be one of their more successful "down periods".
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Dec 17, 2013 13:14:58 GMT -5
It is a longshot, but if they play their cards right, they may be able to pull it off.
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ayumidah
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Post by ayumidah on Dec 17, 2013 13:26:50 GMT -5
Wait, they're shopping around Saturday Morning Slam? It may return yet? Yay!
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 17, 2013 13:29:43 GMT -5
The problem is many advertisers won't touch wrestling.
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Post by rocket on Dec 17, 2013 13:43:32 GMT -5
I get what they want. All the networks see sports (and other live events) as something that keeps people from dropping cable, so they pay big bucks for rights. So since Raw is live most of the time and still gets good ratings for a cable show, they think they can use that leverage for that kind of money.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 17, 2013 14:03:07 GMT -5
So they're looking for a new tv dealer besides NBC Universal? They haven't had a different once since Viacom and they air TNA, but I wonder if Viacom considersed WWE more lucrative than TNA and decided to make a deal with them again, would they just drop TNA entirely or what.
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Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 17, 2013 14:21:20 GMT -5
Viacom kicked them out back in 2005, and they had to run back to the USA Network at a lower rate than the WWE wanted. Think Viacom is happy with TNA, as they get more of a say with it than they would have with the McMahons around.
Will be interesting to see what NBCU offer them. I have a feeling FOX Sports 1 will be very interested to get a guaranteed 4m+ viewers to their network on a Monday night.
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Post by domrep on Dec 17, 2013 14:26:40 GMT -5
Viacom kicked them out back in 2005, and they had to run back to the USA Network at a lower rate than the WWE wanted. Think Viacom is happy with TNA, as they get more of a say with it than they would have with the McMahons around. Will be interesting to see what NBCU offer them. I have a feeling FOX Sports 1 will be very interested to get a guaranteed 4m+ viewers to their network on a Monday night. Vince would balk, FOX has the UFC.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 17, 2013 14:39:25 GMT -5
"Now it’s up to the marketplace to tell us if we’re worth it.”
Nice closer from their marketing chief. This would be major for WWE if they secured this victory, and I think they will. We won't know anything for at least 2 months. I wonder what WWE offer was to NBCU in order to stay put. I'm guessing minimum 500M per year. Or maybe they went a lot higher to the Nascar level of 800M+.
Either way this is a big deal. Excited to learn what happens.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 17, 2013 14:57:04 GMT -5
So they're looking for a new tv dealer besides NBC Universal? They haven't had a different once since Viacom and they air TNA, but I wonder if Viacom considersed WWE more lucrative than TNA and decided to make a deal with them again, would they just drop TNA entirely or what. Wasn't the WWE's departure from Spike Tv kind of acrimonious? The heavy plugging of USA network seemed like something Paul Heyman would have done just make sure that the bridge was burned. Still, it would be funny to see how Vince handles being forced to crosspromote Bellator to the extent TNA have.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 17, 2013 15:17:14 GMT -5
Them announcing the formation of their own subscription network might end up biting WWE on the ass in hopes of generating a huge TV rights deal. With their intention of putting PPVs and original programming on there in addition to their vast library, the impetus is on WWE making that work against all odds, which might be seen as counterproductive to whatever network (presumably USA again) secures their current TV properties. WWE would have to provide some sort of guarantee that their current TV properties wouldn't be neglected or put on the back burner as they line all their eggs in a row with their own "network" in order to make it viable and appealing. In retrospect, it would have been much smarter for them to do their subscription service AFTER negotiating the big money deal.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Dec 17, 2013 15:36:29 GMT -5
Them announcing the formation of their own subscription network might end up biting WWE on the ass in hopes of generating a huge TV rights deal. With their intention of putting PPVs and original programming on there in addition to their vast library, the impetus is on WWE making that work against all odds, which might be seen as counterproductive to whatever network (presumably USA again) secures their current TV properties. WWE would have to provide some sort of guarantee that their current TV properties wouldn't be neglected or put on the back burner as they line all their eggs in a row with their own "network" in order to make it viable and appealing. In retrospect, it would have been much smarter for them to do their subscription service AFTER negotiating the big money deal. ![](http://mimg.ugo.com/201203/0/9/2/219290/cuts/photo02_528x297.jpg) "Vince McMahon is going to make money despite himself. He’s a millionaire who should be a billionaire."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 15:39:02 GMT -5
Should be some good newz stories in a few months when someone allegedly makes an ass of themselves in front of some big shots and costs the WWE $$$ Note to newz writers: I'm giving you ideas!
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Post by Boo! on Dec 17, 2013 15:42:58 GMT -5
I don't think I'd be too pleased if I signed a deal with WWE to host show X and then a few weeks later they announced the WWE network. It's best to announce the network first so if you do want to use content you're selling to the TV companies on that service you can go into negotiations openly and reach an agreement e.g "We'll sell you Smackdown for X and we want the rights to upload it to WWE network for viewing after a period of X weeks"
That's much more sensible than reaching a deal with the networks and then having to go back in and renegotiate content rights for a newly-announced WWE 'network' service.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 17, 2013 17:05:46 GMT -5
I don't think I'd be too pleased if I signed a deal with WWE to host show X and then a few weeks later they announced the WWE network. It's best to announce the network first so if you do want to use content you're selling to the TV companies on that service you can go into negotiations openly and reach an agreement e.g "We'll sell you Smackdown for X and we want the rights to upload it to WWE network for viewing after a period of X weeks" That's much more sensible than reaching a deal with the networks and then having to go back in and renegotiate content rights for a newly-announced WWE 'network' service. Well, considering how it looks to be the end of the line there, as of January 2014 it's effectively a shell, and even the owners aren't saying that it's part of the NBC-U family anymore- plus the fact it goes dark on most places shortly before the WWE Network announcement (and NBC-U has first negotiating rights), it still "does" at least look like the odds are part of NBC-U's offer is "You take [x] amount for the next 10 years and we'll sell you G4 for $1." Whether the corpse of G4 is better than WWE's network plan is the question, but it does seem like that's part of the NBC-U offer.
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Steveweiser
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 17, 2013 18:23:21 GMT -5
Thing is, they are announcing the WWE Network before this deal is made. The supposed launch date is February 24th, so all the networks WWE are dealing with know what's up with that. They'll be fully briefed.
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