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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 22, 2013 11:18:52 GMT -5
I don't hate him but don't like him either. I'd be fine with him putting on great midcard matches but don't like him as the main event top face. I'd be more open to it if he went back to his clean cut look. The wild caveman look is ouff putting to me. I don't like Cena either tho so whatever. Least Punk is now in the mix of this angle. This is pretty much how I feel. He belongs as mid card comedy and that has it's place but I don't buy him as a serious main eventer. I like Cena fine though. Reducing Daniel Bryan to a mid-card comedy act would be a massive waste of his talents. I do agree though that the beard needs to go, or at least be trimmed. It's too weird and bizarre and embarassing when he interacts with the mainstream
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 12:42:00 GMT -5
He's the greatest thing they have and I hope he keeps kicking faces off and starts telling people to f*** off and threatening to eat people's faces and brings back that turnbuckle into the crowd shitcan dive he used to do. Dude needs to do all these things in quick sucession. "f*** YOU RANDY ORTON! I WILL EAT YOUR FACE!" *KICK* *tosses Orton to the floor and up against the barricade* *KICK* *knocks Orton over barricade* *Climbs to the top turnbuckle, crazy flip dive into a mosh pit of Randy Orton and wrestling fans* *kips up right after, runs into the ring, mass YES'ing ensues* BOOM PERIOD
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 22, 2013 13:47:03 GMT -5
It's just fans enjoying doing something that is encouraged by management but it's value other than 'it's fun' is very little. So, kind of like "Let's go Cena!" "Cena sucks!" then? Or, you know, every chant in wrestling history. The entire point of chanting is to connect with said performer or to try and get under their skin. But it is a reaction, and that is the core intention and purpose of every wrestler, and thus it means A LOT. Its an indicator on what a particular crowd enjoys or doesn't at one given time. If people are having fun and interacting, it means its a success and working. I've never understood why the TV crowds we see are supposed to mean nothing, when they pay for the their ticket, and then cheer one guy louder than anyone else. There are other factors that determine who gets pushed as well, but sadly, WWE's current top guys don't meet those standards themselves either. The mindset of some fans is clear. The last three PPVs for which we have had initial numbers for haven't drawn well. The conclusion for the last one was that those in the main event just aren't of interest to people. Oddly the conclusion of the previous two was to blame other factors. The debate hasn't being had on an even field, it's as if people change the rules in order to suit. Survivor Series didn'tdraw well? Who's surprised, Cena is tired, ADR is boring and Orton vs Show is a terrible main event! Battleground and Hell in a Cell didn't draw well? Oh well um....you see.....it's wrong to blame the wrestlers, not their fault! It's this world where the only thing counts is the version of events that suggests there exist a huge public appetite to see Bryan in the main event spot. It simply doesn't engage with reality. We all have our fingers in our ears. If someone concludes Bryan is highly popular and should be pushed they're correct; if someone suggests evidence says his popularity is nowhere near as high as assumed - they're wrong. If Bryan headlines every other PPV for the next 9 months, I guarantee that each month the blame for poor buys will switch from "It's the writers!" for shows Bryan main events and "It's the wrestlers, nobody wants to see them" on shows where he doesn't. Which is the most disappointing element of the debate. It's heads I win, tails you lose. If a PPV doesn't do well it's the wrestler's fault of Bryan isn't in it but if he is in it and it doesn't do well - blame the writers. For that to happen A) Bryan would have to pushed as a superstar first, and just be a winner without usual WWE Shenanigans. To prove he is or isn't a draw, he needs to be protected like Cena was at the onset of his reign. Then, and only then, are you truly starting on the level, and gauging whether or not, at full potential, is he a draw or not. Current WWE stop/start booking does him, and others, no favors. He has to be held on an elite level like Cena for it be gauged fairly. and B) Right now, numerically, the common factor in all the low drawing PPVS is HHH and by proxy a neutered Randy Orton. The Authority Angle is a fail as far as a draw goes, and they have been the one constant in the nosedives. Cena brought the Hell in a Cell number up because it was his return match. And ADR is not even remotely over on any level. He was simply playing Hunter Hearst Helmsley that night to Cena's Warrior. No one was paying for the match. They were paying for Cena. So doing a rematch at Sur Ser, and then booking everything on the other side around whether HHH would interfere after weeks of fans being burnt out on the act did them no favors. If Cena vs Orton ends up bombing at TLC, it really doesn't matter who the Champion is then. It'll prove WWE, even with a huge hook, has either turned off their core buying fanbase, or they're simply bored with the company direction entirely and will need a revamped fresh outlook to regain their interest.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Dec 22, 2013 13:59:44 GMT -5
Tired of the beard. Tired of the promos.
WIDE AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE YO
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Post by angryfan on Dec 22, 2013 14:04:43 GMT -5
The mindset of some fans is clear. The last three PPVs for which we have had initial numbers for haven't drawn well. The conclusion for the last one was that those in the main event just aren't of interest to people. Oddly the conclusion of the previous two was to blame other factors. The debate hasn't being had on an even field, it's as if people change the rules in order to suit. Survivor Series didn'tdraw well? Who's surprised, Cena is tired, ADR is boring and Orton vs Show is a terrible main event! Battleground and Hell in a Cell didn't draw well? Oh well um....you see.....it's wrong to blame the wrestlers, not their fault! It's this world where the only thing counts is the version of events that suggests there exist a huge public appetite to see Bryan in the main event spot. It simply doesn't engage with reality. We all have our fingers in our ears. If someone concludes Bryan is highly popular and should be pushed they're correct; if someone suggests evidence says his popularity is nowhere near as high as assumed - they're wrong. If Bryan headlines every other PPV for the next 9 months, I guarantee that each month the blame for poor buys will switch from "It's the writers!" for shows Bryan main events and "It's the wrestlers, nobody wants to see them" on shows where he doesn't. Which is the most disappointing element of the debate. It's heads I win, tails you lose. If a PPV doesn't do well it's the wrestler's fault of Bryan isn't in it but if he is in it and it doesn't do well - blame the writers. The last three PPV's that we have numbers for have not drawn well. You are not a fan of Bryan, therefore it's easy to assign the blame. You're proving your hypothesis, although I think you're missing a few data points. The WWE has for over a decade booked in the mindest that everything outside the main event isn't important, is icing on the cake, and not where the real important things happen. Thus, anything outside of the main event, or Taker at Mania, is interchangeable. Thus, if a PPV underperforms with Orton/Bryan and a non-finish, we can blame creative. If we then see another Orton/Bryan with HBK as the ref and a screwjob finish, and it too underperforms, we still have the same two constant variables in the spotlight. We then get Orton/Show in the main event while Bryan is moved into the inconsequential midcard. This show, too, underperforms. Thus, we have two choices. It is either creative's fault for the storyline, or it's Orton's fault as the only consistently utilized main eventer during those shows. Otherwise, the theory is that since Bryan was feuding with the Wyatts it made people not want to pay to see Orton wrestle Big Show.
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Post by Dat Dude on Dec 22, 2013 15:01:20 GMT -5
You know what I don't like? I don't like all those Sonic commercials. Or Flo, the insurance lady. This seemed like a good place to vent. Sonic makes the best shakes and Flo is a national treasure!
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 22, 2013 15:25:12 GMT -5
You know what I don't like? I don't like all those Sonic commercials. Or Flo, the insurance lady. This seemed like a good place to vent. Sonic makes the best shakes and Flo is a national treasure! "Flo is a national treasure"? you know when you lie you hurt your credibility, and it reflects poorly on Sonic's shakes
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 22, 2013 15:27:04 GMT -5
I don't hate him but don't like him either. I'd be fine with him putting on great midcard matches but don't like him as the main event top face. I'd be more open to it if he went back to his clean cut look. The wild caveman look is ouff putting to me. I don't like Cena either tho so whatever. Least Punk is now in the mix of this angle. This is pretty much how I feel. He belongs as mid card comedy and that has it's place but I don't buy him as a serious main eventer. I like Cena fine though. Mid-card comedy acts don't have great matches every week and get the best reactions on a consistent basis.
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Post by Dat Dude on Dec 22, 2013 15:32:49 GMT -5
Sonic makes the best shakes and Flo is a national treasure! "Flo is a national treasure"? you know when you lie you hurt your credibility, and it reflects poorly on Sonic's shakes What's with all the Flo hate?
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 22, 2013 15:39:48 GMT -5
I like Bryan but I do think 'YES' is getting old and overused.
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Post by bigalbass86 AKA Smokin Vokoun on Dec 22, 2013 15:47:09 GMT -5
Yeah, saying that Bryan would be better suited to being a midcard comedy act on the level of Santino is a real insult to Bryan's talents. I mean, he did a great job being a comedy character, but he is far far FAR more capable than that.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Dec 22, 2013 16:07:38 GMT -5
"Flo is a national treasure"? you know when you lie you hurt your credibility, and it reflects poorly on Sonic's shakes What's with all the Flo hate? 1. she wears too much makeup 2. she's an annoying actress 3. too many stupid commercials
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 22, 2013 16:12:14 GMT -5
You seem to post similar threads like this on a regular basis. Doing it once could be considered getting it off your chest. At this point, it's practically trolling. I admit to making similar threads but considering I'm like the only person here who hates him and the fact that I don't want to ruin other peopels fun in the pro-Bryan threads...yeah this is all I got. Why not simply bump this thread you made when you want to remind people that you don't like Daniel Bryan?
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Post by CM Parish on Dec 22, 2013 16:22:10 GMT -5
ZERO LIKES
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 22, 2013 16:25:09 GMT -5
I wish I had four thumbs. SO I CAN GIVE THE OP FOUR THUMBS DOWN.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 22, 2013 16:32:10 GMT -5
I can understand getting sick of the character. Hell, I'm not that fond of the guy picking up a microphone either. That said, mediocre promos mean jack-all to me when he's going out there and having the match of the night damn near every show and making the crowd come unglued. That's why I usually give Cena a pass, too. Yeah, his cornball promos are grating as hell, but then he has amazing matches with enormous crowd response so do I really care THAT much?
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Dec 22, 2013 17:39:08 GMT -5
I hate how much he pops the crowd every week.
I hate how he constantly has great matches every week.
Seriously, f*** that guy.
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Post by Crimson on Dec 22, 2013 18:00:35 GMT -5
This is pretty much how I feel. He belongs as mid card comedy and that has it's place but I don't buy him as a serious main eventer. I like Cena fine though. Mid-card comedy acts don't have great matches every week and get the best reactions on a consistent basis. Too Cool did.
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Dec 22, 2013 18:01:36 GMT -5
I can understand getting sick of the character. Hell, I'm not that fond of the guy picking up a microphone either. That said, mediocre promos mean jack-all to me when he's going out there and having the match of the night damn near every show and making the crowd come unglued. That's why I usually give Cena a pass, too. Yeah, his cornball promos are grating as hell, but then he has amazing matches with enormous crowd response so do I really care THAT much? Because you need to build up to the ppv so Bryan can CONTINUE to have the MOTN. If Bryan cant build up ppv's with compelling promos and making me and others give a shit then why the hell should i care if he has the MOTN every night, what is the end result? YES!!! NO!!! Ffs, I need more than that. I want to be entertained and I know he can bring it in the ring. But when the guy is passive as f***, lets people cut him down, and his only response will be to point to the crowd and go "Will I win on Sunday? YES!" "Will I do ___? YES!" "Will I kick____? YES!" Enough already. WWE doesnt even build to the midcard anymore. I dont want to see him fall but if WWE cant give the guy anything to f***ing work with or Bryan wont take liberties like Punk and Cena, then we get garbage like above^^^"
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 22, 2013 18:09:12 GMT -5
I can understand getting sick of the character. Hell, I'm not that fond of the guy picking up a microphone either. That said, mediocre promos mean jack-all to me when he's going out there and having the match of the night damn near every show and making the crowd come unglued. That's why I usually give Cena a pass, too. Yeah, his cornball promos are grating as hell, but then he has amazing matches with enormous crowd response so do I really care THAT much? Because you need to build up to the ppv so Bryan can CONTINUE to have the MOTN. If Bryan cant build up ppv's with compelling promos and making me and others give a shit then why the hell should i care if he has the MOTN every night, what is the end result? YES!!! NO!!! Ffs, I need more than that. I want to be entertained and I know he can bring it in the ring. But when the guy is passive as f***, lets people cut him down, and his only response will be to point to the crowd and go "Will I win on Sunday? YES!" "Will I do ___? YES!" "Will I kick____? YES!" Enough already. WWE doesnt even build to the midcard anymore. I dont want to see him fall but if WWE cant give the guy anything to f***ing work with or Bryan wont take liberties like Punk and Cena, then we get garbage like above^^^" Bryan is not Cena or Punk. He's not a superhero or a rebel who wants to watch the world burn. Bryan just wants to wrestle.
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