ratetankmark
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 22, 2013 7:16:31 GMT -5
I find the "yes" thing annoying on two fronts 1) it completely over shadows everything he does. It's nice as far as in-arena participation goes but beyond that I don't see what it adds if that's all he says and does. It's very limiting if you think of it being 'isn't this fun!' for people with tickets. In terms of his character that can't/won't/hasn't go/gone very far beyond what it is. And what it is doesn't really add anything to the appeal of the character. You might chant 'yes' if in an arena but you won't buy a ticket to shout 'yes' nor will people really think "I must buy this PPV - Bryan will say "yes!" 2) It's tremendously, and borderline annoyingly, misrepresenting his appeal. He's over but the in-crowd reaction tells you Hulk Hogan level over, yet his segment ratings and buyrates suggest he's not. There has to be a time when people accept that the fan-participation thing seem so to be limited to the walls of the arenas of a Monday night. Of course he is over and he ain't to blame for ratings or poor buys but when he's in main event segments on TV shows and when hes in championship matches at PPVs he's there to share or blame or credit. The more I read your posts the more I think that Heenan was the true babyface in the commentary team Gorilla.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 22, 2013 7:24:40 GMT -5
I'M DAMN SICK AND TIRED
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 22, 2013 7:28:45 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is my favourite wrestler right now in the WWE, but one thing this is for sure is that I agree with some of the points that Buzzkill and Brooklynpunk made in this thread. I really hate it when Bryan just smiles when someone's cutting a promo on him, which pisses me off as well. Which is why I why prefer the Daniel Bryan from RAW 1000. So intense, over the top, pissed off, and yet funny at the same time. Watching that promo especially when it was just him and Punk in the ring, the guy was killing it. Just priceless. So...you like him better as a heel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 7:32:06 GMT -5
This thread= why we can't have nice things.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Dec 22, 2013 7:35:28 GMT -5
The whole "YES" thing is becoming the new "WHAT" to be honest. And while the beard does make him look like a hilarious wrestling hobbit, it also makes him look like a hobo (que the hobo army joke) or like he's some guy that just got back from Vietnam and still hasn't pulled himself together.
Beyond that, he's alright. I'm hoping something good comes from his thing with the Wyatts.
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Post by They Killed the Giggler on Dec 22, 2013 7:50:10 GMT -5
You know what I don't like? I don't like all those Sonic commercials. Or Flo, the insurance lady. This seemed like a good place to vent. I hate those Sonic commercial guys.
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Post by They Killed the Giggler on Dec 22, 2013 7:51:42 GMT -5
I do wish he'd get rid of the beard. I know it's getting to be an iconic part of his look, but it really bugs me that it appears to make his lips all irritated. What I hate about the beard is that it was part of a comedy gimmick that he no longer uses, and he still has it despite the fact that we're supposed to "take him seriously" now. Kayfabe wise, he grew the beard (to its current extent) because he went crazy and comically let himself go after 18 Seconds and getting left at the altar by AJ, but after the initial anger management skits, once Team Hell No degenerated into "those two guys we throw into this angle because we need two top guys to fill that spot" Bryan kind of mellowed out. There's no real reason for him to keep the beard other than for WWE to shove the "he's not a Superstar" thing down our throats. Which is totally untrue because Daniel Bryan, while shorter, still has a fit and muscular body that women and gays would drool over.... Wait, what were we talking about again? Oh yeah And pre-WWE, Bryan Danielson had a lot of "sports entertainment" moments. Maybe Alex Riley should shave Bryan's beard live on Raw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 8:09:09 GMT -5
The whole "YES" thing is becoming the new "WHAT" to be honest. And while the beard does make him look like a hilarious wrestling hobbit, it also makes him look like a hobo (que the hobo army joke) or like he's some guy that just got back from Vietnam and still hasn't pulled himself together.
Beyond that, he's alright. I'm hoping something good comes from his thing with the Wyatts. YES and What? aren't comparable. What? was chanted during every promo during every television show every year since 2001. YES, for the most part, has been kept to Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 22, 2013 8:21:40 GMT -5
The whole "YES" thing is becoming the new "WHAT" to be honest. And while the beard does make him look like a hilarious wrestling hobbit, it also makes him look like a hobo (que the hobo army joke) or like he's some guy that just got back from Vietnam and still hasn't pulled himself together.
Beyond that, he's alright. I'm hoping something good comes from his thing with the Wyatts. YES and What? aren't comparable. What? was chanted during every promo during every television show every year since 2001. YES, for the most part, has been kept to Daniel Bryan. For something to be comparable it doesn't have to be exactly the same. Like "What?" it's a chant that the crowd enjoy using but isn't particularly helpful to anything. Nobody said "That guy got his promo drowned out, I'm so buying this PPV" same as nobody says "Bryan came out, everyone said "Yes!", for this reason alone I'm spending $40 this Sunday to watch it". It's just fans enjoying doing something that is encouraged by management but it's value other than 'it's fun' is very little. It's like if people were still dancing in large numbers to Fandango's music. It wouldn't really mean anything and actually possibly be quite harmful to his development as a heel character. I'm already over it. "What happened, did he cut a great promo?" Er..no he just stood there and everyone shouted "Yes!
"Oh well that's fine because he cut one last week didn't he?" - Um no the er...same sort of thing happened"Right, but at one point he probably really sold the story of the match didn't he?" - Er..no he's pretty much just done the "yes" thing for a whileIn-arena participation aside, that's a VERY hard sell to the television/PPV buying audience. You need more than having a beard and CONSTANTLY conducting a "Yes!" chant. It's like if all Hogan did literally say (aside from impersonations) "brother". With Hogan getting on the mic leading a "brother!" chant for an hour. And then doing that for about five weeks and then wondering why, outside of those enjoying chanting "brother" there isn't much TV/PPV interest in a character who only says "brother" to the point of exclusivity.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 22, 2013 8:33:30 GMT -5
I can understand why these feelings are there, I feel similarly.
I grow tired of having a very talented wrestler. I need frequent amusement from different people on the roster. I grow weary now, WWE, take him back. I am easily amused and need new people all the time, whether they're good or not I am proud to be a wrestling hipster, and part of that requires I be a big fan of whoever's not being pushed solely so I can claim that I know wrestling more than these sheeple marks do when I say 'I liked them before you did because I'm so cool', then, once people like them, I turn on them and like someone else. Even though Daniel Bryan's incredibly talented, and I did "technically" like him, my favorite wrestler is always "Someone Else". The one thing I regret most about WWE's pushing is they don't merely look into the crowd, pick me out, and let me beat Orton clean for the WWE Title and make me as big a name as Cena or The Rock are just because I'm such a super-cool, super-awesome fan and I am entitled to this just by being a longtime member of the WWE Universe, so I will make them push me by making myself the whole show.
Agree and I'll still consider myself superior to you, argue and I'll flame you, post funny gifs and I'll claim I saw them first, but just know that the show isn't about what's on TV, it's about me and only me.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 22, 2013 8:47:45 GMT -5
The mindset of some fans is clear. The last three PPVs for which we have had initial numbers for haven't drawn well. The conclusion for the last one was that those in the main event just aren't of interest to people. Oddly the conclusion of the previous two was to blame other factors. The debate hasn't being had on an even field, it's as if people change the rules in order to suit.
Survivor Series didn'tdraw well? Who's surprised, Cena is tired, ADR is boring and Orton vs Show is a terrible main event!
Battleground and Hell in a Cell didn't draw well? Oh well um....you see.....it's wrong to blame the wrestlers, not their fault!
It's this world where the only thing counts is the version of events that suggests there exist a huge public appetite to see Bryan in the main event spot. It simply doesn't engage with reality. We all have our fingers in our ears. If someone concludes Bryan is highly popular and should be pushed they're correct; if someone suggests evidence says his popularity is nowhere near as high as assumed - they're wrong.
If Bryan headlines every other PPV for the next 9 months, I guarantee that each month the blame for poor buys will switch from "It's the writers!" for shows Bryan main events and "It's the wrestlers, nobody wants to see them" on shows where he doesn't. Which is the most disappointing element of the debate. It's heads I win, tails you lose. If a PPV doesn't do well it's the wrestler's fault of Bryan isn't in it but if he is in it and it doesn't do well - blame the writers.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 22, 2013 9:09:24 GMT -5
The mindset of some fans is clear. The last three PPVs for which we have had initial numbers for haven't drawn well. The conclusion for the last one was that those in the main event just aren't of interest to people. Oddly the conclusion of the previous two was to blame other factors. The debate hasn't being had on an even field, it's as if people change the rules in order to suit. Survivor Series didn'tdraw well? Who's surprised, Cena is tired, ADR is boring and Orton vs Show is a terrible main event! Battleground and Hell in a Cell didn't draw well? Oh well um....you see.....it's wrong to blame the wrestlers, not their fault! It's this world where the only thing counts is the version of events that suggests there exist a huge public appetite to see Bryan in the main event spot. It simply doesn't engage with reality. We all have our fingers in our ears. If someone concludes Bryan is highly popular and should be pushed they're correct; if someone suggests evidence says his popularity is nowhere near as high as assumed - they're wrong. If Bryan headlines every other PPV for the next 9 months, I guarantee that each month the blame for poor buys will switch from "It's the writers!" for shows Bryan main events and "It's the wrestlers, nobody wants to see them" on shows where he doesn't. Which is the most disappointing element of the debate. It's heads I win, tails you lose. If a PPV doesn't do well it's the wrestler's fault of Bryan isn't in it but if he is in it and it doesn't do well - blame the writers. But that's the problem on the other side, too. The fans have been left with no choice, simply because the WWE does the exact opposite thing. In WWE's viewpoint: Battleground and Hell in a Cell didn't draw well? Daniel Bryan just doesn't have IT! He's a midcarder for life! He'll never be a top guy! Survivor Series didn't draw well? Oh, well, um...you see...It was Thanksgiving weekend, everyone was spending their money getting their food ready, it's wrong to blame the wrestlers, it's not their fault...Oh! We put CM Punk and Daniel Bryan- TOGETHER!- in a match. That's living proof, they can't draw. It was all that match's fault. And to make it worse, WWE will do the same if any of those matches DID work ("Well, obviously Battleground/HIAC/Survivor Series drew hard because Randy Orton's a proven draw as the champion. The money's in the chase- if he even drew with Daniel Bryan, when we put him against Big Show or John Cena we'll do gangbusters!", or if it was Bryan vs. Punk and did well, "Well, sure we got 1 million buys with Bryan vs. Punk...but if it was Cena vs. Orton, we'd probably do TWO million!") Fans have to be "heads I win, tails you lose" about indy stars, because the WWE does the same thing. Just like the fans saying "It's all Bryan, we'll find out how to read the stats that way later", the WWE does it where "We want to push Orton/Cena/ADR/Show, so read the buyrates/ratings in a way that allows us to justify pushing them as the top stars."
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 22, 2013 9:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 22, 2013 9:39:09 GMT -5
He's the greatest thing they have and I hope he keeps kicking faces off and starts telling people to f*** off and threatening to eat people's faces and brings back that turnbuckle into the crowd shitcan dive he used to do.
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Post by theworld21 on Dec 22, 2013 9:44:42 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is my favourite wrestler right now in the WWE, but one thing this is for sure is that I agree with some of the points that Buzzkill and Brooklynpunk made in this thread. I really hate it when Bryan just smiles when someone's cutting a promo on him, which pisses me off as well. Which is why I why prefer the Daniel Bryan from RAW 1000. So intense, over the top, pissed off, and yet funny at the same time. Watching that promo especially when it was just him and Punk in the ring, the guy was killing it. Just priceless. So...you like him better as a heel No not really. I like his face character and I don't want him to turn heel now. I only prefer the intensity he had in his Raw 1000 promo if that makes any sense.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 22, 2013 10:18:22 GMT -5
Blah Blah Blah. At least he has charisma unlike Del Rio
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2013 10:40:40 GMT -5
I'd rather have Daniel Bryan than have CM Punk being a dick to people even though he's meant to be a face, at least Bryan is likeable.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 22, 2013 11:04:15 GMT -5
Blah Blah Blah. At least he has charisma unlike Del Rio I'm not fond of Del Rio either. What a strange comparison to make.
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Post by Matt on Dec 22, 2013 11:13:03 GMT -5
I don't hate him but don't like him either. I'd be fine with him putting on great midcard matches but don't like him as the main event top face. I'd be more open to it if he went back to his clean cut look. The wild caveman look is ouff putting to me. I don't like Cena either tho so whatever. Least Punk is now in the mix of this angle. This is pretty much how I feel. He belongs as mid card comedy and that has it's place but I don't buy him as a serious main eventer. I like Cena fine though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 22, 2013 11:15:31 GMT -5
How many minutes a week on average does he appear on RAW?
My guess would be around 10 to 15 minutes at most, and that includes a match, unless his mere existence in a match also annoys you.
On a three hour show, it's nothing. If he's really THAT annoying, I'm sure you can cope.
If you were watching RAW, Smackdown, all the PPV's and all the highlights shows, then yes I'm sure he's annoying, but that's largely the case with everyone else too. It's a symptom of WWE oversaturation.
As for the YES and NO chants, well you'll have to deal with them. Fans have discovered the clearest way of making their intentions known to WWE who are usually in denial about such things, so those chants aren't going anywhere.
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