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Post by MrElijah on Dec 24, 2013 19:15:37 GMT -5
As the title says.
Insted of Warrior, Sting arrives up north in 1987 and say he gets Warriors push.
How much changes?
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Post by What? on Dec 24, 2013 20:09:55 GMT -5
I see Sting feuding with Rude like Warrior, but I don't know how hard he gets pushed in the main event compared to him. Vice always said "WCW wouldn't know what to do with a Bret Hart," but would Vince know what to do with a Sting?
I don't think he flops, but I don't think he gets the sustained main event run in the WWF. Not in the 1987-91 time dream anyway. If he hangs there until 1992, I could he him having better fortunes, comparable to Bret's initial run.
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Post by What? on Dec 24, 2013 20:11:44 GMT -5
^ sorry. A few glaring typos in the above post. I can't type to save my life on this galaxy 4.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 24, 2013 22:27:40 GMT -5
Sting would never have got Warrior's push. It's like asking "Hogan never came, Slaughter was given Hogan's push - what would have happened?" well nothing as that wouldn't have happened in first place.
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Dec 24, 2013 22:31:10 GMT -5
Sting's is one of my favorites. At that time though I think he was better off in the NWA.
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Post by Digital Witness on Dec 24, 2013 22:37:49 GMT -5
I think with Sting being just as colorful as Warrior but being a lot more sane and perhaps a little more humble, I think Sting would have gone further.
Sting would have been able to work the monster heels like Hogan, but would have also been better able to work with the smaller, more technically sound guys as well.
I see Sting holding at least a few WWF championships in that alternate reality assuming that Hogan still does what he does. I think it might actually mean that Savage doesn't win his second world title and we get Sting vs. Flair in the WWF. Not sure how the roid trial would effect things. Vince might still push Hart over Sting after a while.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 24, 2013 22:40:12 GMT -5
I think with Sting being just as colorful as Warrior but being a lot more sane and perhaps a little more humble, I think Sting would have gone further. I don't think Warrior's gimmick suffered because lack sanity or humbleness. He was the Ultimate Warrior. The number of people clamouring for humility and sobriety from him didn't make double figures. His overness is owed literally entirely on the character being an intense nut-job. Without that, there is no push to speak of. Like saying that someone could have got abetter push with Taker's gimmick if they went in the sun and smiled a bit more.
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Post by Digital Witness on Dec 24, 2013 22:47:20 GMT -5
I think with Sting being just as colorful as Warrior but being a lot more sane and perhaps a little more humble, I think Sting would have gone further. I don't think Warrior's gimmick suffered because lack sanity or humbleness. He was the Ultimate Warrior. The number of people clamouring for humility and sobriety from him didn't make double figures. His overness is owed literally entirely on the character being an intense nut-job. Without that, there is no push to speak of. Like saying that someone could have got abetter push with Taker's gimmick if they went in the sun and smiled a bit more. I meant that behind the scenes. I'm not saying Warrior should have been less crazy on screen. Sting was pretty damn crazy himself in JCP NWA, but not turned up to 9001 like Warrior.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 24, 2013 23:26:35 GMT -5
Sting would never have got Warrior's push. It's like asking "Hogan never came, Slaughter was given Hogan's push - what would have happened?" well nothing as that wouldn't have happened in first place. I think it's pretty easy to say Warrior and Sting were a lot more alike in a lot of regards than Hulk Hogan and Sgt. Slaughter. They both got extremely similar pushes in their respective companies, only Sting's cared more about him being able to actually wrestle instead of just doing squashes or short brawls on PPV.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 24, 2013 23:37:10 GMT -5
Sting vs Dino Bravo could be a main event in any arena [/Gorilla]
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 25, 2013 0:17:55 GMT -5
Had the same level of charisma as Warrior but was 100 times the worker and had a great attitude backstage = Hogan being done in 1990.
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Post by cherry coloured funk on Dec 25, 2013 0:24:04 GMT -5
I don't think much changes. As was the style at the time, Vince would have encouraged Sting to juice up to Warrior-size (and to be fair, he wasn't that far off to begin with). Had he agreed, I am certain he would have been pushed and achieved the same level of success. Probably would have gone back to WCW around the time of the trials.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 25, 2013 5:49:48 GMT -5
I see Sting feuding with Rude like Warrior, but I don't know how hard he gets pushed in the main event compared to him. Vice always said "WCW wouldn't know what to do with a Bret Hart," but would Vince know what to do with a Sting? I don't think he flops, but I don't think he gets the sustained main event run in the WWF. Not in the 1987-91 time dream anyway. If he hangs there until 1992, I could he him having better fortunes, comparable to Bret's initial run. But Sting is everything Vince wants in a worker, he's a former bodybuilder with above average charisma and a heck of a work ethic who's a company man and good with the fans to boot so is effectively the prototype for John Cena... Heck, they were even trained by the same guy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2013 7:55:54 GMT -5
Surfer Sting would have been awesome in the WWF, they would have turned him up to 11
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 25, 2013 8:09:00 GMT -5
I think Sting would have become a much better worker with a much shorter career thanks to the schedule. He was more like Hogan than Warrior, Hogan was at one point eager to learn and could adapt to different styles, while Warrior found a character that worked in WCCW and didn't improve or change with the times at all, unless you count the physique driven switch from trunks to a singlet. Working with the likes of Pat Patterson, Jake Roberts, Hart and Savage would have taught him more than Ric Flair ever did, Flair was a great worker don't get me wrong, but one criticism levelled at him is he carried Sting and Luger to good matches but didn't teach them why they were doing what they were doing in the match so they could have matches of that calibre with others.
The bulk of his 80s and early 90s matches would be Warrior-esque, high energy squashes designed to hide his weaknesses as a worker, but by the time of the new generation he'd start to shake it up and show more ability while working with smaller opponents like Hart and Michaels. His presence would have helped to give them some credibility and helped to establish them, Hall and Nash as main event talent as one of the big issues with the new generation is that no-one that main evented over years previously helped build the new stars.
While a Sting led WWF would never have reached the highs of the Hogan Era, I don't believe it would have seen the lows it did either with him as the bedrock of the New Generation, he looked like a star, could maintain a good physique clean, work an okay match, and unlike Warrior, cut a human promo and wasn't anything like as difficult. I think as the seeds are sown for the attitude era, injuries and beliefs would take the same toll on Sting as it did on Hart, and both would have slipped into semi retirement around 1998.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 25, 2013 13:00:04 GMT -5
let's not forget, Sting had a pretty nasty knee injury in 89. In WWF that injury probably wouldn't have happened
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 25, 2013 13:11:47 GMT -5
I think he'd be a strong mid-carder, but ultimately forgettable. Similar to Kerry Von Erich.
I see a few damn good matches trading the IC belt back and forth with Mr. Perfect before being thrown into the Summerslam '91 six-man match in either Duggan or Steamboat's place, then shortly after that leaving the company.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Dec 25, 2013 15:24:26 GMT -5
Sting would been groomed by WWF to be Hogan's heir apparent. He had the look, charisma, marketability, and trustworthiness to take over as the lead face. Vince wanted Kerry Von Erich for the role but he turned them down. By the time he went to WWF, he was past his prime, missing a foot, and drug riddled. Sting, while still green, could had been a big asset.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Dec 25, 2013 19:02:48 GMT -5
I see Sting feuding with Rude like Warrior, but I don't know how hard he gets pushed in the main event compared to him. Vice always said "WCW wouldn't know what to do with a Bret Hart," but would Vince know what to do with a Sting? I don't think he flops, but I don't think he gets the sustained main event run in the WWF. Not in the 1987-91 time dream anyway. If he hangs there until 1992, I could he him having better fortunes, comparable to Bret's initial run. But Sting is everything Vince wants in a worker, he's a former bodybuilder with above average charisma and a heck of a work ethic who's a company man and good with the fans to boot so is effectively the prototype for John Cena... Did you say Prototype?
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 26, 2013 9:36:57 GMT -5
A few things pop to mind, based on Sting's history.
Sting becomes the longest running wrestler employee. Undertaker may have the "streak" but Sting will be franchise star.
Warrior and he enter the same time. Warrior's rise is quicker but Sting would become the star with Warrior gone and Hogan on his way out. Bret will have to wait a few more years for a title run.
Crow inspired Sting becomes involved with the Undertaker battling Mankind and Executioner and then Kane and then Undertaker as he becomes the ministry leader.
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