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Post by thegame415 on Jan 1, 2014 14:43:27 GMT -5
Goldberg at New Blood Rising 2000.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jan 1, 2014 14:49:12 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident with Buff Bagwell at somepoint? I know there was kayfabe stuff but I still have a niggling feeling he refused to put someone over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 15:00:43 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident with Buff Bagwell at somepoint? I know there was kayfabe stuff but I still have a niggling feeling he refused to put someone over. I believe he refused to put over Berlyn at Fall Brawl 99, so they did an angle where he missed his flight and was replaced by Hacksaw Duggan, who then proceeded to completely no-sell Berlyn's offense. Bagwell then showed up after the match.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 1, 2014 15:08:49 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident with Buff Bagwell at somepoint? I know there was kayfabe stuff but I still have a niggling feeling he refused to put someone over. Not doing a job, but my favorite Buff Diva moment is that in his contract, it stipulated that he got to hit his finish in every match or some crazy thing like that.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 1, 2014 15:14:28 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident with Buff Bagwell at somepoint? I know there was kayfabe stuff but I still have a niggling feeling he refused to put someone over. I believe he refused to put over Berlyn at Fall Brawl 99, so they did an angle where he missed his flight and was replaced by Hacksaw Duggan, who then proceeded to completely no-sell Berlyn's offense. Bagwell then showed up after the match. There was also an incident back in 2001 at the one and only MECW event that took place at the ECW Arena. Bagwell was booked to face Steve Corino, who at the time was the NWA Champion. The match was non-title but Corino asked the promoter if he could go over anyways as he felt losing to Bagwell while NWA Champ might hurt his bookings in Japan. The promoter asked Bagwell if he'd mind and Bagwell refused and asked the promoter to point out who Steve Corino was because he had never heard of him. This led to the match getting changed to Bagwell vs. Jack Victory, which really really sucked.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 1, 2014 22:57:57 GMT -5
Hogan not wanting to lose to Bret isn't really substantiated nor makes logical sense looking at how things panned out. Yeah. Bret certainly believes it, but it's clear from his account and subsequent accounts that Vince was essentially playing the two of them against one another. Not an example of refusing to do the job, but Foley refused to work with Mark Mero in the WWF. Shawn refused return the favor at WM XII and job to Bret Hart. What's the story behind Austin refusing to do a program with Double J?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 1, 2014 23:03:00 GMT -5
^ Austin refused to work feuds with Jarrett and Billy Gunn. Jobbing to either man wasn't on the cards but apparently Steve saw working with both men as a waste of his time. and he has history on his side to support those decisions.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 1, 2014 23:04:40 GMT -5
What's the story behind Austin refusing to do a program with Double J? If I remember right, Jarrett and his dad screwed over Austin when he was a rookie and it was Austin returning the favor.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jan 1, 2014 23:10:13 GMT -5
Old school but noteworthy, Bearcat Wright refused to drop the WWA Championship to Fred Blassie in 1963. So the promoters did the obvious thing, they brought out Gene LaBell instead of Blassie to make sure things went according to plan. Wright refused to wrestle LaBell, fled the ring area, and never wrestled in the territory again. Why was Wright so afraid of LaBell?
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 1, 2014 23:13:04 GMT -5
Old school but noteworthy, Bearcat Wright refused to drop the WWA Championship to Fred Blassie in 1963. So the promoters did the obvious thing, they brought out Gene LaBell instead of Blassie to make sure things went according to plan. Wright refused to wrestle LaBell, fled the ring area, and never wrestled in the territory again. And he kept the belt!
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 1, 2014 23:26:30 GMT -5
Old school but noteworthy, Bearcat Wright refused to drop the WWA Championship to Fred Blassie in 1963. So the promoters did the obvious thing, they brought out Gene LaBell instead of Blassie to make sure things went according to plan. Wright refused to wrestle LaBell, fled the ring area, and never wrestled in the territory again. Why was Wright so afraid of LaBell? We're talking about the innovator of the LaBell, NO, Yes Lock! LaBell is a judo guru, and he was known for picking apart wrestlers during his pro wrestling career. Bearcat was a big guy, but LaBell would've made easy work of him.
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 2, 2014 0:11:43 GMT -5
What's the story behind Austin refusing to do a program with Double J? If I remember right, Jarrett and his dad screwed over Austin when he was a rookie and it was Austin returning the favor. This and as Austin described JJ's in ring skills as "not hitting the ropes hard enough to break an egg".
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 2, 2014 0:20:29 GMT -5
he wasn't a champ but there's that infamous time Bruiser Brody wouldn't even SELL for Lex Luger, much less actually put him over. One of the few times the "no-seller" was less of a jerk than the other guy.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 2, 2014 0:41:12 GMT -5
Wasn't there an incident with Buff Bagwell at somepoint? I know there was kayfabe stuff but I still have a niggling feeling he refused to put someone over. Not doing a job, but my favorite Buff Diva moment is that in his contract, it stipulated that he got to hit his finish in every match or some crazy thing like that. There is no way that can be true, that's too damn funny. I'm tempted to start watching Buff Bagwell matches to verify but I'm trying to avoid going into a coma
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Post by lovingway on Jan 2, 2014 6:13:19 GMT -5
Hogan not wanting to lose to Bret isn't really substantiated nor makes logical sense looking at how things panned out. Yeah. Bret certainly believes it, but it's clear from his account and subsequent accounts that Vince was essentially playing the two of them against one another. Not an example of refusing to do the job, but Foley refused to work with Mark Mero in the WWF. Shawn refused return the favor at WM XII and job to Bret Hart. What's the story behind Austin refusing to do a program with Double J? I know Foley has been critical of Mero but why doesn't he like Mero again? Did something happen in WCW?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2014 9:04:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the source of this was but I think I remember reading on here recently that creative wanted RVD to win the World Heavyweight title in 2002 but Trips go in Vince's ear and convinced him not to. History probably validated Trips on that one.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2014 9:09:31 GMT -5
Wasn't Foley added to the Summerslam '99 main event because Austin didn't want to put over HHH? I"ve heard that Foley won that match because of that or Jessie Ventura didn't want to the raise the hand of a heel. Not sure which is true. Foley was added because Austin got injured. Ever wondered why Austin started wearing two knee braces at that event? He messed up the other knee putting all his weight on it when Chyna low-blowed him during his corner toast celebration a few weeks prior. Rather then take Austin, the champion, out of the main event of SummerSlam, they added Foley to take the slack off of Austin. This is correct, at least, as per Foley's take on it in Foley is Good, and, given, he could have been lying to not make Austin look bad for saying no or something, but there wasn't really anything in it for him to make that up. He could have just easily provided no context for Austin's match with Triple H becoming a Triple Threat.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 2, 2014 9:24:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the source of this was but I think I remember reading on here recently that creative wanted RVD to win the World Heavyweight title in 2002 but Trips go in Vince's ear and convinced him not to. History probably validated Trips on that one. yup. it's why I'm not an RVD fan anymore. I always went to bat for the guy and thought Triple H was full of shit for not putting him over. then the moron went and proved him right.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 2, 2014 10:52:23 GMT -5
I've often wondered if Paul Heyman had some reluctance towards putting RVD on top as world champ in ECW was due to his constant marijuana promotion. Not that it was a huge performance issue, but one does wonder if Heyman thought the potential for such an event as July 2006 was possible. Or maybe Heyman always intended to put the belt on RVD and never quite put together the money match? I dunno.
Either way why is HHH vindicated here? Because RVD got fined 4 years later for having weed and speeding? Now if we're arguing that RVD lost all interest in full time wrestling after 2007, then that's an interesting argument against pushing him too hard. Of course if he hadn't been politically sabotaged for most of the 2002-04 time period, maybe RVD would have cared more about staying with WWE? It is ironic that a guy with his credentials (grand slam champion in WWE, TNA world champ, ECW run) would be almost considered a disappointment, but he never quite ascended to consistent main event status.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 2, 2014 11:12:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the source of this was but I think I remember reading on here recently that creative wanted RVD to win the World Heavyweight title in 2002 but Trips go in Vince's ear and convinced him not to. History probably validated Trips on that one. Had the arrest happened shortly after Trips had the match result changed to benefit him you'd probably have a point, but it happened several years later to an older, less motivated RVD who had a drug buddy to hang with... What history really does show, however, is the audience steadily declining through Triple H's run as a one man glass ceiling.
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