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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2013 11:25:22 GMT -5
Since Brandon Stroud was brought up earlier, I'm going to bring up what John Canton (guy who writes excellent Raw recaps at TJRWrestling.com) had to say about the ending:
I'm inclined to agree with what Mr. Canton said there. I mean, CM Punk can't be the only face guile enough to outwit the heels, right?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 11:31:28 GMT -5
Bray is not going to be hired muscle to anyone, let alone Bryan. He showed yesterday that he can beat down and break Bryan when put in a situation advantageous to him, why would he ever follow anyone else's direction when he's dominated one of the top faces of the company. If anything it'll be Bryan taking orders from Bray. He's talking about the Authority. When Wyatt said "The Devil made me do it," when he attacked Bryan most everyone heard "Triple H made me do it." I'm actually talking about both sides since the idea of a Wyatt Family face turn was mentioned. I don't think the Wyatts would fit as Authority goons OR as Bryan's supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:36:17 GMT -5
lolWWE, never change.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2013 11:46:21 GMT -5
He's the underdog, he's always been throughout this mega-angle since Summerslam. He was never presented as an invincible Stone Cold-esque badass beating all the heels up and raising hell. The fact that they didn't go this route does make moments like the Wyatt angle from Raw disheartening for some, but makes his triumphs all the more satisfying. That's the way I see it.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 31, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
Honestly the bitching is really because of distrust over all the "wait and see" angles the past five years. Unfortunately, any interesting angle must be "wait and see". There has to be a point where something happens and you don't know what's coming up If not, it's barely even an angle. Unless we have confirmation on how the angle is going to end up, you have to wait and see. There's like no other way to watch a plot develop. I mean every angle anybody liked, they had to wait and see what happen. Batista turning on evolution? You still had to wait and see where it ends up because there was the fear of Hunter going over which made it a more compelling storyline.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 11:56:05 GMT -5
He's the underdog, he's always been throughout this mega-angle since Summerslam. He was never presented as an invincible Stone Cold-esque badass beating all the heels up and raising hell. The fact that they didn't go this route does make moments like the Wyatt angle from Raw disheartening for some, but makes his triumphs all the more satisfying. That's the way I see it. Daniel Bryan has always been a "badass". He may not be an Austin-esque hell raising rebel who beats people up indiscriminately, but as far back as the feud with Miz, he's always been shown as an unassuming and mostly gimmickless type who would wear people out with brutal strikes or stretch people with painful submission holds if they underestimated him or laughed him off.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 31, 2013 11:56:12 GMT -5
Don't know where this is going, but whoever comes out on top I'll be fine with. IF they do it right, both guys will.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 31, 2013 12:01:05 GMT -5
He's the underdog, he's always been throughout this mega-angle since Summerslam. He was never presented as an invincible Stone Cold-esque badass beating all the heels up and raising hell. The fact that they didn't go this route does make moments like the Wyatt angle from Raw disheartening for some, but makes his triumphs all the more satisfying. That's the way I see it. That's the thing. He's not out to raise hell like an Austin or a Punk, or be a role model for kids like a Hogan or a Cena, or be the metaphorical "big man on campus" like Rock or Orton, or anything like that... The guy just wants to wrestle. And he likely never would have had a problem with the system if the system didn't start having a problem with him first. They and many others have just ground him down and worn him down over a period of months until he just had NOTHING left to fight with. Bryan is utterly and completely mentally spent. And we're supposed to just abandon him NOW? F*** that.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2013 12:34:22 GMT -5
So, anyone wanna guess on how long we wait before the expected double-cross by Bryan on the Wyatts happens? I say that happens at the Royal Rumble, if not sooner.
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Post by Chip on Dec 31, 2013 12:34:37 GMT -5
After having a day to digest it, I'm digging it more and more. I realised I'm letting something I want that may or may not happen in the future effect my enjoyment of a current storyline. They are doing something different with Bryan that we don't see too often, he isn't shrugging off being screwed, he's not making jokes about his opponent knowing he'll get another title shot, he's not spitting in the face of danger, he's human and he has his limits. I'm interested in seeing how they get to the pay-off and what this does for both parties.
Oh, anyone else kinda hoping that Brays, I guess Crucifix pose has anything to do with the Hug It Out pose both Bryan and Kane displayed?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 31, 2013 12:41:23 GMT -5
Remember when they did this? The heel turn was good. The fact that The Rock jobbed to chairshots STILL annoys me. Wait, Austin savagely beat him with about a dozen chairshots to the chest/ribs (after a shot to the head and numerous finisher attempts...oh yeah, after a 25 min fight) I fail to see the issue
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Post by Been burned too many times on Dec 31, 2013 12:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:16:57 GMT -5
I have no opinions on Bryan's thing, but this topic needs a whole hell of a lot less "Everyone is dumb but me" from all the posters in it. You're better than this FAN.
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Post by Vanilla Gorilla on Dec 31, 2013 13:28:28 GMT -5
It seems like this will actually turn the Wyatts face by going after the Authority (or anyone and everyone)(hence the #downwiththemachine hashtag)and running into the Shield after they are done with Punk. I think the Shield will lose to the Wyatts leading to their final split.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 31, 2013 13:30:00 GMT -5
Sorry, but with that pic Team Chicken Little are ahead by a wide margain. Waiting for the counter from Team WAS.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2013 13:31:44 GMT -5
It seems like this will actually turn the Wyatts face by going after the Authority (or anyone and everyone)(hence the #downwiththemachine hashtag)and running into the Shield after they are done with Punk. I think the Shield will lose to the Wyatts leading to their final split. I don't see how the clearly evil cultists with the creepy sheep-mask guy who broke the will (as it stands right now...) of the guy everyone likes could turn face from last night's happenings.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 31, 2013 14:14:10 GMT -5
There's a few people spinning the scenario thing now, saying "this is the best thing for Bryan". Which I find amusing as well.
Their reasoning being that we've seen Orton vs. Bryan already, so there's no point to see it again. So having an angle where he tricks some guys and overcomes the Authority at least gives him a sense of closure. Well, that still doesn't excuse the fact that they've done nothing but fail since Summerslam. Period.
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM FROM THE BEGINNING.
You guys truly feed into what WWE gives you, and that's the problem. You fail to see their mistakes, or you overlook them.
Summerslam: "Well, they're setting up a feud with Orton because having Bryan hold the title now doesn't make sense, plus Cena is out" or "They're holding off on a major Bryan victory so that they can do it at Mania."
Night of Champions: "See! Bryan won the title again. Everything worked out just fine."
Battleground: "Well obviously, the Authority aren't going to allow Bryan to be champion, so it makes sense to have him chase for a while before getting a big victory."
Hell in a Cell: "Dude, Bryan just got screwed over by his mentor! It's not like Orton beat him clean as a sheet. This also opens up the possibility for Michaels to come out of retirement."
Survivor Series: "Come on...do you really think that they can keep Bryan in the main event from now until Mania? He's still on TV! Having him feud with the undercard till then is fine."
TLC: "Obviously his program with the Wyatts is going to continue. They can't wrap everything up in one month, plus we have a ways until Mania."
Last Raw: "Obviously he's tricking them and it's going to lead to him destroying them from within."
All you did was spin the scenario until it fit your vision. And in the process, you lost track of the end game. You guys do a better job than the WWE announcers when it comes to making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Despite the fact that WWE obviously failed, all you did was make excuses for everything that was happening and continued to move forward. And it doesn't matter how many times WWE fails to deliver, you'll continue to make excuses, because wrestling doesn't really have a "true" end game unless the wrestler retired. Hey, Bryan doesn't win the title at Mania? Oh, that's because THIS happened and THAT happened and they have to wait until after Mania etc. etc. And there's winning with you guys because you'll always use the unknown future to your discretion and your false hope of the Promised Land. It's nice that you find enjoyment in the product, but criticizing anyone who disagrees or is doubtful of things is beyond absurd. I'm not saying I'm a better fan or anything, but I've seen enough wrestling disasters to go on hazard mode the very SECOND things don't feel right. And right now...I sense an epic ball drop.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 31, 2013 15:02:19 GMT -5
I've read/heard/noticed quite a few people say (both here and elsewhere) that this was 'so well planned out'. To that, I just have to shake my head. If this ends with Bryan FINALLY 'legit' winning the title at WM XXX, then yeah, it wasn't well planned out at all.
The guy was/is red hot. They completely f***ed up the Authority angle, then they shoved him into this junk with the Wyatt Family. To me, something well thought out would've been Bryan fighting and clawing for the title, then finally taking it at WrestleMania. Instead, the WWE are content to march out has-beens/part-timers (see: Batistia, Dave. Lesnar, Brock) yet again and decline on building up a new megastar.
I'm no super wrestling genius booker by any means, but this just seems so simple. You have the fans firmly behind this guy and are practically foaming at the mouth to see him take down the Authority and have a title reign. Do that. There's no need in this Wyatt bullshit and there never was.
I'm not convinced it'll stick, mind you. I'm just saying it was all pointless to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 15:32:48 GMT -5
Really, I can't get invested in the Wyatt storyline. It strikes me as so much of the filler, I just cannot.
There's only one thing that piqued my interest for the future when it comes to Raw.
That's a WM main event with Daniel Bryan vs. The Authority Approved, WWE World Unified Heavyweight Champion of The Universe, Brock Lesnar BURRRRROCK LESSSSSSNAR!
I mean, you'll get an awesome match we've never seen before and BURRRROCK still has credibility. After all, the only person he's lost to is John Cena and everyone loses to John Cena at some point. No, nobody remembers or cares that Hunner beat him once. Why do you ask?
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Post by baronvonstevie on Dec 31, 2013 15:50:13 GMT -5
Please no one take this the wrong way... I speak of the IWC in generalI absolutely hate the IWC... Seriously what happened to being bamboozled? Being kayfabed? Apparently with this job of complete whackadoos, you can't be... I for one loved the Daniel Bryan and The wyatt's match / segment... So what is the point of being a fan of wrestling, smart or not, if you can't just have fun... In other words IWC stop taking yourselves so dadgum seriously... They all say the same things... Dear God nothing gets a chance with these guys.. Your'e danged if you do danged if you don't.. It's a total catch 22 for any wrestler to make these people happy.. Have a phenomenal match? Hey guess what? The IWC will still hate you... Involved in a terrific angle where you headline the last Raw of 2013? They will start moaning and crying about how d bry is losing momentum... It drives me literally insane! No wonder Vince and company totally gave up on the IWC.. If i had someone that i couldn't seem to keep happy I would lay up a huge middle finger too... Then they moan and complain some more that so and so's not being booked properly.. Which in itself may be true... But as i see it almost everyone on the rosters, according to the IWC, is not being booked properly... Here's a brilliant idea sit down and watch a match and don't critique it.. Get involved in the fun, stop being so gosh durn serious and lighten up! Nothing can be as bad as ya'll make it out to be... So just stop it already... I have been watching wrestling and have been a fan for 28 years... It wasn't until i lightened up after being "smartened" up a bit... That i actually started having fun again... This doesn't mean that you cannot have your own opinions and have smart talk... I am just saying stop being so high and mighty ,and actually enjoy something that has brought me a heck of a whole lot of fun ... And some memories i will never ever forget... Thanks for reading my little rant, David Allen Revelle
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