mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Dec 31, 2013 18:41:55 GMT -5
the champ was injured. They couldn't hold off on the storyline. That's such an inexcusable argument. reality is an inexcusable argument. That certainly explains your POV and you know what? Needing to keep a title on an injured champ had screwed them over by derailing Ryback
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Dec 31, 2013 18:54:46 GMT -5
That's such an inexcusable argument. reality is an inexcusable argument. That certainly explains your POV Riiiight. It actually shows how inept WWE is, if we go by your logic. If shows that they literally shoot themselves in the foot by not having a true backup plan in place, if they decided to push their WM plans forward, if that truly was the plan. Perhaps Vince shouldn't be so f***ing stupid to put ALL of his stock in one guy? Why should I in any way pity them? I don't care if Cena's injury was the reason we got what we got, because they put themselves in a terrible spot, and proceeded to give us terrible television.
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Post by Chip on Dec 31, 2013 19:40:02 GMT -5
It actually shows how inept WWE is, if we go by your logic. If shows that they literally shoot themselves in the foot by not having a true backup plan in place, if they decided to push their WM plans forward, if that truly was the plan. At times it seems like WWE genuinely believe Cena is as invincible as they present on TV. The injury before this one resulted in Ryback being tied to a rocket ship that just didn't have enough fuel to make it out of the Earth's atmosphere.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 31, 2013 20:05:15 GMT -5
It actually shows how inept WWE is, if we go by your logic. If shows that they literally shoot themselves in the foot by not having a true backup plan in place, if they decided to push their WM plans forward, if that truly was the plan. At times it seems like WWE genuinely believe Cena is as invincible as they present on TV. The injury before this one resulted in Ryback being tied to a rocket ship that just didn't have enough fuel to make it out of the Earth's atmosphere. Well not when that rocket's fuel was needed to try yo make Punk heel for no reason. So Rock and Cena could have a snooze fest at Mania.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 31, 2013 22:39:52 GMT -5
I think I can summarize this: a lot of people, including, quite obviously, a number of people here on FAN, are tired of Cena being on top and want to see something different-whether that is Cena as a heel or someone else in the top slot. While Cena was out healing from injury, Daniel Bryan caught fire and they felt for sure this meant he was going to win the title and be the top man in the company. Cena came back and was promptly put into the top slot while Bryan got pushed back down the latter-and they hate it. Even though Bryan is still hovering near the main event and has been put in a compelling story that clearly has the audience interested, they hate it. Because they want him as champion and the top man in the company.
And I'll be even more blunt and say there is some classic smarkiness going on here: OMG NOOOOO BRYAN YOU CAN'T BE A BAD GUY!!! Its like classic Hulkamania-and it almost makes me want to see Bryan truly and seriously turn heel just to see the reaction it gets.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 31, 2013 22:42:13 GMT -5
I'd love to see the reactions of fans overreacting re: the Bryan/Wyatt Family angle, when we see the (ragin') climax of it at the Rumble.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 1, 2014 1:06:32 GMT -5
If you don't have feelings one way or the other, then it's apathy. You don't have to compromise anything because you're already okay with how WWE does things, or you don't care what they do. It's good that you like what you like. I like a nice structured story. One that doesn't need a bunch of bullshit or filler to get things done. With the Bryan situation, they should have either waited on holding off a title win, or give him a nice little run, only to step up at some point and screw him over. It would essentially be a rehash of Lesnar going into WM19. You don't have to belittle the guy or screw him a thousand times before hand. Just simply screw him once, and say no rematch. How hard is that? Distract the Authority with something else that will keep the main event void of screwy finishes. It's not complicated. It doesn't need to be so f***ing disorganized, especially given everything that has happened. In my honest opinion, WWE failed here. This isn't some Bryan mark talking. This is a fan of well plotted wrestling, something we almost never get anymore, unless it's with people who have done the same thing a thousand times. If it was Brodus Clay in the same scenario, I would echo exactly what I just wrote. Poor storytelling is poor storytelling, no matter how great the physical wrestling might be, and trust me, 2013 had some of the best wrestling I have seen in quite some time. It's too bad the story driving it was pure shit. Thanks Vince. the champ was injured. They couldn't hold off on the storyline. I can't really imagine the "Orton turning heel/Authority" angle not being planned. Wasn't it reported that Orton was turning heel before he won MITB? That said, I really do think a lot of the statements here are kinda kneejerk-y. Don't get me wrong, I want Daniel Bryan to be champion as much as anyone else. But what would that honestly have done for him right now? There's no story to be told if Bryan just wins the title a month into things. It's going to lead somewhere, but saying it's a failure or that Bryan has been buried from this just isn't true, imo.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 1, 2014 1:07:45 GMT -5
I don't understand the mindset of how one is "buried" when they're featured in the final Monday Night Raw angle of 2013.
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Post by Essential1 on Jan 2, 2014 9:50:11 GMT -5
I see it as him being the brainwashed tweener for awhile. Whether it's a ploy or not I don't know but I will try and give the angle a chance. He seemed a bit too humble for my liking and that shows me they were going for a crowd reaction of sympathy rather than contempt.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 2, 2014 11:47:15 GMT -5
the champ was injured. They couldn't hold off on the storyline. I can't really imagine the "Orton turning heel/Authority" angle not being planned. Wasn't it reported that Orton was turning heel before he won MITB? That said, I really do think a lot of the statements here are kinda kneejerk-y. Don't get me wrong, I want Daniel Bryan to be champion as much as anyone else. But what would that honestly have done for him right now? There's no story to be told if Bryan just wins the title a month into things. It's going to lead somewhere, but saying it's a failure or that Bryan has been buried from this just isn't true, imo. I'm not saying the angle wasn't planned I'm saying they couldn't have stretched out the build or anything like that.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 2, 2014 12:00:47 GMT -5
I can't really imagine the "Orton turning heel/Authority" angle not being planned. Wasn't it reported that Orton was turning heel before he won MITB? That said, I really do think a lot of the statements here are kinda kneejerk-y. Don't get me wrong, I want Daniel Bryan to be champion as much as anyone else. But what would that honestly have done for him right now? There's no story to be told if Bryan just wins the title a month into things. It's going to lead somewhere, but saying it's a failure or that Bryan has been buried from this just isn't true, imo. I'm not saying the angle wasn't planned I'm saying they couldn't have stretched out the build or anything like that. Oh, gotcha lol. I dunno, if WWE really doesn't care about October-December in terms of storyline development (and based on how things turned out, they either had nothing for the fall months or didn't want anything significant to happen), they should've just waited until Royal Rumble to do the HHH heel turn. Orton still could've cashed in on Bryan after he won at SummerSlam and all that, but kept HHH as a supporter and then screw Bryan out of a RR win or something.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 2, 2014 12:20:21 GMT -5
We still don't have all the answers regarding Bryan. He might've finally agreed that the Wyatts were right about everything, he might be just using them for the Royal Rumble to achieve some victories, or he might simply lulling the Wyatts into a false sense of security by feigning submission to the group, then striking them when they least expect it. Too early to tell.
(However, speculation where this angle goes next is fun as hell)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 12:25:03 GMT -5
It's all building to the climax at wrestlemania when HHH faces Kevin Nash.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 2, 2014 12:39:41 GMT -5
We still don't have all the answers regarding Bryan. He might've finally agreed that the Wyatts were right about everything, he might be just using them for the Royal Rumble to achieve some victories, or he might simply lulling the Wyatts into a false sense of security by feigning submission to the group, then striking them when they least expect it. Too early to tell. (However, speculation where this angle goes next is fun as hell) You know how it seems Cena hates spending time in his own home because that means hanging out with Nikki? Bryan joined the Wyatts so he can get some time away from Brie before the wedding.
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Post by machomuta on Jan 2, 2014 14:45:44 GMT -5
@ To all the complainers
Why do you watch WWE, if you dont trust them to do the right thing?
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Post by BigWill on Jan 2, 2014 14:53:37 GMT -5
That's such an inexcusable argument. reality is an inexcusable argument. That's deep.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 2, 2014 14:59:31 GMT -5
@ To all the complainers Why do you watch WWE, if you dont trust them to do the right thing? They may be fans of other things on the show. Or may be viewers who have been disillusioned to such a point, they don't watch WWE as frequently as they would if the booking was better Or may be watching in the vain hope things improve.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 2, 2014 17:15:20 GMT -5
@ To all the complainers Why do you watch WWE, if you dont trust them to do the right thing? Because sometimes they do, but we never know when that's going to happen. Plus, right now I watch to follow the Raw thread. That's where my enjoyment comes from these days. The last Raw thread was 200 hundred pages of gold.
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Post by Piccolo on Jan 2, 2014 17:46:02 GMT -5
@ To all the complainers Why do you watch WWE, if you dont trust them to do the right thing? Let me tell you a story... it's a digression, but it does have a point. I used to watch Supernatural. After the cluster that was the back half of season 5, I REALLY had a hard time trusting the management of that show. But I still really liked some of the characters, and there were episodes that were still pretty entertaining... if I just told myself that this story could be heading somewhere good, I could still enjoy it. The show kept spiraling down. Everything I would've worried would happen came to pass, for all of my optimism and insistence that they could still pull this out. But inasmuch as season 6 was awful, I still watched episodes of season 7. Why? Well, maybe they learned from their mistakes last season. Maybe they won't do that again. Maybe these things are cyclical, and last season was setting up for something great. Well, season 7 was even worse. But they did something amazing in the finale! So I came back for season 8, and really enjoyed the heck out of the first several episodes. And then... well, you know. Didn't watch season 9, but it took me three and a half years of torment before I finally gave up on those showrunners. It didn't happen overnight. And frankly, the characters weren't ruined overnight. They took some absolutely dreadful detours, but there were enough episodes that were "on track" that it made the really bad ones seem like anomalies, or at least, you could kind of nibble around them. Like a piece of bread that's pretty well rotted, but it's your favorite bread, so you try to get the good pieces that are left even while the rotted stuff grosses you out. I don't know if that's everyone's situation with WWE, but not everyone just drops a show when it starts to bug them, especially not when they've watched it their whole lives. Sometimes it's like a very messy, drawn-out divorce, and you keep coming back hoping something will change because things used to be so good, only to get slapped in the face again with how little hope there is. But you can still see glimmers, potential, you think if you only give it time and patience... Well, it's not easy to leave. And your favorite performers are still there, even if you can't understand for the life of you why they're being used the way they are. And you still like watching good matches. Maybe you can grit your teeth at the sucky parts and get something good out of it. Maybe all the people who are happy are right, and you're an entitled jerk. Maybe if you just... OH GOD, WHY DID THEY DO THAT? They just sucked all the air out of that angle! No... no, remember the happy smarks who say you're a bad fan. They have to be right... this must be filet mignon, there's just something wrong with your tongue that you don't taste it. And thus, here we are. And here we will remain. The unhappy people will keep looking for table scraps. The happy people will keep kicking them while they're down. Ad infinitum, world without end, amen.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 2, 2014 17:52:32 GMT -5
It's all building to the climax at wrestlemania when HHH faces Kevin Nash. Hearing that he's not big enough to be the face of the company, Bryan will order special pills off the internet that guarantee to make him huge. This leads to Ride of the Valkyries playing at the Rumble and Kevin Nash entering in undersized maroon trunks while doing the YES! chant.
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