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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 3, 2014 4:05:28 GMT -5
What's wrong with not wanting others to leech off his name and fame? It's not like he gets any profits from stopping these, counterfeit, sales. Warrior has made a ton of money, has a big house, money in the bank and if need be could probably take a cushy WWE contract or work the indies for 5 grand a pop. Going after people making 10-20 bucks from merchandise which is allegedly counterfeit (I can't see much counterfeit stuff on eBay) just reeks of the guy being a money hungry douche bag who wants (needs?) every penny he can get from his fans. He should be doing more constructive things with his time. If you don't protect your copyrights, then you lose the copyright. He is doing something constructive. There must be a contract between the copyright holder & a distributer to prevent a loss of copyright ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 20:37:25 GMT -5
This is the same deal as those stories you hear about Disney making people take down their characters painted on the walls of day cares and such.
If you let a copyright slide once, the next time you want to defend it, you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 3, 2014 20:50:56 GMT -5
Even if a 10-second search doesn't show anything obviously counterfeit doesn't mean that there isn't anything that is.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 3, 2014 21:32:59 GMT -5
Warrior has had a lot of exclusive merchandise made for him to sell. I've seen many counterfeit figures put forward in an attempt to try to cash in on some of his rarer figures he sells.
I don't blame him one bit.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2014 21:39:19 GMT -5
Even if I've got thousands of dollars in the bank, if some dude tries to take ten bucks outta my wallet, I'm still gonna be pissed and do something about it.
It's his intellectual property (at least partially), he's well within his rights to protect it.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 3, 2014 21:45:11 GMT -5
But that's also an issue- Warrior stopping people from selling fake merch is reasonable- but there is a good chance that Warrior could ALSO be stopping Little Johnny from selling his 1989 Warrior figure for the same reason (Warrior regularly sells WWF-produced Warrior merchandise on his accounts at obscene markups- albeit autographed, but he has asked for $500 for a signed WWF-produced Legends WWF Warrior figure before.) So, Little Johnny could also be stopped from doing it as well under the same argument. (It gets worse when you count how website algorithms have gone too far anyway and can be blanketed- so not only could Warrior stop Little Johnny from selling his WWF action figure, but he could theoretically go after and stop Joe Shmoe who never cared about wrestling, but just wants to sell his Playstation 2 with 7 games: Madden 2004, SOCOM, Ultimate Spider-Man, NHL 2003, SSX, The Warriors, and Dead or Alive 2- solely because his algorithm would say he was selling "...ULTIMATE....WARRIOR....." Exactly. I didn't see any counterfeit merchandise on eBay so Warrior most definitely is stopping Little Johnny from selling his 1989 WWF Warrior figure or is attempting to at least. He's doing it so he can sell his stuff for a lot more. Hence the "Warrior is a money hungry twat" comment I made. So let me get this straight. You did an ebay search and did not see any counterfeit merchandise. And you did see legitimate merchandise. And instead of this signaling that Warrior has had the counterfeits removed and left the legitimate sellers alone, this signaled to you that there is no such thing as the counterfeit merchandise and the legitimate merchandise (that is still up there) is what will be taken down?
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 3, 2014 23:32:57 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You did an ebay search and did not see any counterfeit merchandise. And you did see legitimate merchandise. And instead of this signaling that Warrior has had the counterfeits removed and left the legitimate sellers alone, this signaled to you that there is no such thing as the counterfeit merchandise and the legitimate merchandise (that is still up there) is what will be taken down? That is a fair point, but there's also the "IWC Bubble" to keep in mind for what constitutes "counterfeit merchandise" which takes it into the gray area. Biggest theoretical example here: People do counterfeit some of Warrior's figures that he has custom-made for his own sales. That makes perfect sense- we know it. Now, take for example, a website like Barbershop Window. They make a number of pro wrestling T-shirts of their own designs, but they aren't licensed by WWE in any way, and as such they are 'technically' bootleg shirts. They're all small-scale, but if you're fighting for your copyright, going after them would have to be an issue (even if WWE doesn't seem to care enough about it, it is out there). We don't consider Barbershop Window to be counterfeit, the WWE has no problem with it- but if Warrior's fighting for his copyright, he would HAVE TO (incidentally, for all the classic shirts they make, Barbershop Window has no Warrior-related shirts, likely because of this very reason.)
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Post by SOR on Jan 4, 2014 7:50:25 GMT -5
Exactly. I didn't see any counterfeit merchandise on eBay so Warrior most definitely is stopping Little Johnny from selling his 1989 WWF Warrior figure or is attempting to at least. He's doing it so he can sell his stuff for a lot more. Hence the "Warrior is a money hungry twat" comment I made. So let me get this straight. You did an ebay search and did not see any counterfeit merchandise. And you did see legitimate merchandise. And instead of this signaling that Warrior has had the counterfeits removed and left the legitimate sellers alone, this signaled to you that there is no such thing as the counterfeit merchandise and the legitimate merchandise (that is still up there) is what will be taken down? He isn't removing every piece of counterfeit merchandise in a few days. Things like that take a little while.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 4, 2014 13:04:00 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You did an ebay search and did not see any counterfeit merchandise. And you did see legitimate merchandise. And instead of this signaling that Warrior has had the counterfeits removed and left the legitimate sellers alone, this signaled to you that there is no such thing as the counterfeit merchandise and the legitimate merchandise (that is still up there) is what will be taken down? He isn't removing every piece of counterfeit merchandise in a few days. Things like that take a little while. Who says he started doing this a few days ago? Just seems like you're reaching to try and bash someone you don't like.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 4, 2014 13:08:18 GMT -5
So let me get this straight. You did an ebay search and did not see any counterfeit merchandise. And you did see legitimate merchandise. And instead of this signaling that Warrior has had the counterfeits removed and left the legitimate sellers alone, this signaled to you that there is no such thing as the counterfeit merchandise and the legitimate merchandise (that is still up there) is what will be taken down? That is a fair point, but there's also the "IWC Bubble" to keep in mind for what constitutes "counterfeit merchandise" which takes it into the gray area. Biggest theoretical example here: People do counterfeit some of Warrior's figures that he has custom-made for his own sales. That makes perfect sense- we know it. Now, take for example, a website like Barbershop Window. They make a number of pro wrestling T-shirts of their own designs, but they aren't licensed by WWE in any way, and as such they are 'technically' bootleg shirts. They're all small-scale, but if you're fighting for your copyright, going after them would have to be an issue (even if WWE doesn't seem to care enough about it, it is out there). We don't consider Barbershop Window to be counterfeit, the WWE has no problem with it- but if Warrior's fighting for his copyright, he would HAVE TO (incidentally, for all the classic shirts they make, Barbershop Window has no Warrior-related shirts, likely because of this very reason.) Why don't "we" consider Barbershop Window illegitimate? Just because they don't make exact replicas of things doesn't mean their merchandise is legal, considering they use other's copyrights and trademarks.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 4, 2014 20:00:46 GMT -5
Warrior has been known to go after people who customize official Ultimate Warrior figures. Like, you buy it in the store, you apply your own paintjob, and then you put it on eBay. I've heard story after story of him taking down stuff like that.
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Post by SOR on Jan 4, 2014 20:46:25 GMT -5
He isn't removing every piece of counterfeit merchandise in a few days. Things like that take a little while. Who says he started doing this a few days ago? Just seems like you're reaching to try and bash someone you don't like. Seems like you're the one who's reaching tbh. He posted it up on Facebook on January 1st (I can't check it) and he says it all WILL be removed. Not has. And if I wanted to bash Warrior because I didn't like him I'd bring up his hate speeches against the gays or his "feud" with Kevin Nash on YouTube.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 4, 2014 21:05:19 GMT -5
Who says he started doing this a few days ago? Just seems like you're reaching to try and bash someone you don't like. Seems like you're the one who's reaching tbh. He posted it up on Facebook on January 1st (I can't check it) and he says it all WILL be removed. Not has. Take a step back. I'm not reaching in the slightest. He was writing about "recent stories" about him having things removed, as in he had been having items removed. And then he put forth a warning that any unlicensed and counterfeit items that go up WILL be removed. As in, don't do this in the future.
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