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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 12:04:48 GMT -5
When he was on his way to becoming a massive face and the WWF swerved everyone and turned him heel for his fued with Makind and match with Austin at Mania. By Over The Edge he was turned face again as the fans were still cheering him even after he had turned heel.
My point being is that even though I think Bryan is going to swerve the Wyatts even if he doesn't perhaps the WWE are turning him heel because they know the fans will still end up cheering for him anyway and if that's not the case that is likely what will happen anyway.
It didn't harm The Rock at all and in fact made him a stronger face, and if it is what they're aiming for with Bryan It wil work out the same too.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 2, 2014 12:06:49 GMT -5
However, it's not the same situation. Rock was established to have always been in collusion with Vince and the Corporate Team, whereas Bryan was apparently beaten into willing submission by the Wyatts.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 2, 2014 12:11:51 GMT -5
However, it's not the same situation. Rock was established to have always been in collusion with Vince and the Corporate Team, whereas Bryan was apparently beaten into willing submission by the Wyatts. And it was a natural progression of his character. He was ambitious, taking over the Nation from Farooq so it made sense Vince would want the young, power hungry, blue chipper to be the corporate champ. Bryan has just been getting beaten up. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 2, 2014 12:13:31 GMT -5
And even then, we still don't have all the answers regarding Bryan. He might've finally agreed that the Wyatts were right about everything, he might be just using them for the Royal Rumble to achieve some victories, or he might simply lulling the Wyatts into a false sense of security by feigning submission to the group, then striking them when they least expect it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 12:16:38 GMT -5
However, it's not the same situation. Rock was established to have always been in collusion with Vince and the Corporate Team, whereas Bryan was apparently beaten into willing submission by the Wyatts. And it was a natural progression of his character. He was ambitious, taking over the Nation from Farooq so it made sense Vince would want the young, power hungry, blue chipper to be the corporate champ. Bryan has just been getting beaten up. But you could say this is an extension of Bryans character. He is meant to be a sort of everyman with weakness and vulnerabilities. That's what I like about him. If Cena fueded with the Wyatts for example and that angle happened Monday, he'd have grabbed the mic and said "I'll never join you" then get beat up some more, then cut some promo the next week about how this is the toughest fight of his life and how the numbers are stacked against him, then at the Rumble he'd defeat the Wyatt's without breaking a sweat. Whereas the way it's played out with Bryan helps him gain sympathy, he's had 3 psychopath hillbilly cult members torturing him and playing games with him for a while, he may be a great wrestler who can beat the best of the best, but the psychological warfare has gotten too much for him, that makes him really sympathetic as it shows that even this amazing wrestler who can get it done in the ring is only human and not a machine. |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 2, 2014 12:17:25 GMT -5
However, it's not the same situation. Rock was established to have always been in collusion with Vince and the Corporate Team, whereas Bryan was apparently beaten into willing submission by the Wyatts. That's clearly the plot of some kinky fan fiction. I understand where the OP is coming from. However, there are potential differences. Rock's heel turn solidly propelled him into the main event. Theoretically, Daniel Bryan's heel turn banishes him back to the midcard/upper midcard when he was effectively a main-eventer until a few months ago. Rock was promoted. Bryan was demoted. I'm not really taking either side at the moment. I'm open-minded. It could end up working great. It could end up failing miserably. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 2, 2014 12:20:01 GMT -5
And it was a natural progression of his character. He was ambitious, taking over the Nation from Farooq so it made sense Vince would want the young, power hungry, blue chipper to be the corporate champ. Bryan has just been getting beaten up. But you could say this is an extension of Bryans character. He is meant to be a sort of everyman with weakness and vulnerabilities. That's what I like about him. If Cena fueded with the Wyatts for example and that angle happened Monday, he'd have grabbed the mic and said "I'll never join you" then get beat up some more, then cut some promo the next week about how this is the toughest fight of his life and how the numbers are stacked against him, then at the Rumble he'd defeat the Wyatt's without breaking a sweat. Whereas the way it's played out with Bryan helps him gain sympathy, he's had 3 psychopath hillbilly cult members torturing him and playing games with him for a while, he may be a great wrestler who can beat the best of the best, but the psychological warfare has gotten too much for him, that makes him really sympathetic as it shows that even this amazing wrestler who can get it done in the ring is only human and not a machine. Bryan is smaller in stature than most main eventers. A convoluted, hillbilly brain washing story isn't needed (or wanted) to humanize him. |
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Post by Woo on Jan 2, 2014 12:32:19 GMT -5
How did Rock even turn face to begin with? I always assumed he was just a popular heel so they sort of went with it for a couple of months but he was still just a heel that got massive cheers.
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Post by TGM on Jan 2, 2014 13:18:00 GMT -5
How did Rock even turn face to begin with? I always assumed he was just a popular heel so they sort of went with it for a couple of months but he was still just a heel that got massive cheers. I stopped watching properly, so one week, Rock was running the Nation, next thing, he was an enemy of Vince McMahon and an "unfavourite" for the Survivor Series tournament. |
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Jan 2, 2014 15:20:09 GMT -5
Rock didn't get dragged back to Stanford to choke on Vince's dick for a whole week to indoctrinate him to the stable's virtues.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 2, 2014 16:10:15 GMT -5
Bryan is more like Mick Foley than The Rock.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 2, 2014 18:51:42 GMT -5
How did Rock even turn face to begin with? I always assumed he was just a popular heel so they sort of went with it for a couple of months but he was still just a heel that got massive cheers. I stopped watching properly, so one week, Rock was running the Nation, next thing, he was an enemy of Vince McMahon and an "unfavourite" for the Survivor Series tournament. I thought it was just crowd reactions or the fact that The Rock was just that damn charismatic that the fans started liking him. Personally, I still remember even after Summerslam that year, people still chanted "Rocky sucks" and all that stuff, but at some point, he just won the fans over. The face run really did not last long, though. He was a face from September to November when Survivor Series came and then the ending to that PPV showed that he was on Vince's side all along. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 2, 2014 18:53:52 GMT -5
I stopped watching properly, so one week, Rock was running the Nation, next thing, he was an enemy of Vince McMahon and an "unfavourite" for the Survivor Series tournament. I thought it was just crowd reactions or the fact that The Rock was just that damn charismatic that the fans started liking him. Personally, I still remember even after Summerslam that year, people still chanted "Rocky sucks" and all that stuff, but at some point, he just won the fans over. The face run really did not last long, though. He was a face from September to November when Survivor Series came and then the ending to that PPV showed that he was on Vince's side all along. I think the official point of his face turn would be the 3 on 2 match that Rock, Mankind, and Shamrock had against Undertaker and Kane. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 2, 2014 18:58:25 GMT -5
The timeframe of the events and the circumstances are different enough that they're not that close honestly.
Rock was elevated to what Orton is, storyline wise, right now whereas at this moment, Bryan is gonna be playing second banana to an upper midcard act so they can benefit from his overness. It may turn out ok, but the scenarios are fairly dissimilar.
And I've said it before, but it seems pretty clear this is an attempt to elevate the Wyatts via DB's overness than it is a depush for him.
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