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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 23:06:57 GMT -5
And over eight years ago, he could move and with HBK's selling put on a pretty damn good match. Hulk can't anymore. I think you're overestimating what he could bring to the table buy wise. I'm sure some, but clearly he didn't move the needle really for TNA outta one week either. We won't be able to quantify Hogan's drawing ability for WM (if he shows up) because WM sells itself nowadays. We'd get a better idea of what Hogan could draw if he showed up at a lesser PPV or maybe a heavily promoted Raw show so we can see what rating it drew. I'm not saying Hulk is going to draw like he did in the 80's, 90's, 2002, 2005, etc, but I do think his appearance at WM will draw interest. Again, what that translates into in terms of dollars is probably never going to be known. If WM XXX draws the highest buyrate in WM history, it won't be Hogan's doing alone, but he'd probably have to get some credit for it. If it's more of the same (as last year) then he probably helped a little but didn't move the needle that much. Ultimately, I do think he will be a positive for the company and based on the history of the event itself, Hogan should be there for the 30th show in some capacity, even if it is just to pose for a few minutes. My main point was if younger guys sell for him, it shouldn't be viewed as a negative thing. I guarantee you by the following night, the fans would have probably forgotten if Ambrose was selling Hogan's punches (for example).
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Jan 3, 2014 23:34:12 GMT -5
THAT IS LITERALLY THE f***ING STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD, AND YET I CAN COMPLETELY BELIEVE IT. Can you people understand why I'm sitting WM season out?
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 4, 2014 0:32:50 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is Sister Abigail
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 4, 2014 0:59:13 GMT -5
All Batista needs to say is "Yeah. Okay? I still main evented while you were a forgettable world champion." How many people would seriously get the Basketball reference? Wouldn't be good for Bats to say that since he was the one facing Punk in those matches that first WHC run. But yeah, anything involving Punk bringing up memes to try and "tear down" Batista is ridiculous. It's not so much the memes themselves so much as it is the fact that Batista's main event run outside of the initial feud with HHH and Douchetista was largely a blur. Batista is far more remembered for his narm than he is for his actual wrestling accolades. That would be the thing Punk would be tearing down.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jan 4, 2014 0:59:39 GMT -5
Wait a minute...isn't this andrew8798's thing? Where is this "news" even from? At least when Andrew does it, we know it's from Meltzer.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 4, 2014 1:09:55 GMT -5
Wouldn't be good for Bats to say that since he was the one facing Punk in those matches that first WHC run. But yeah, anything involving Punk bringing up memes to try and "tear down" Batista is ridiculous. It's not so much the memes themselves so much as it is the fact that Batista's main event run outside of the initial feud with HHH and Douchetista was largely a blur. Batista is far more remembered for his narm than he is for his actual wrestling accolades. That would be the thing Punk would be tearing down. I think you are kinda underselling Batista run in the ring. I'm not saying he was great but he had great program like with Undertaker in 2007 which was very memorable. Wait a minute...isn't this andrew8798's thing? Where is this "news" even from? At least when Andrew does it, we know it's from Meltzer. Probably from some untrustworthy dirtsheet collector like NODQ/Wrestle inc who say they take from Meltzer.
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Post by trollrogue on Jan 4, 2014 5:56:08 GMT -5
Man it's sad that they can't find anything for JoJo to do but give her occaisional sub-ins for Lillian Garcia singing the National Anthem. By all accounts she's a natural in the ring and yet they market Eva "can't sell" Maria as the Total Divas breakout star. Maybe JoJo should dye her hair Silver and call herself JemJem starting an anti-Divas Divas stable called 'The Holla Holla Holla Grams'
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 4, 2014 11:14:29 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk...three years after everyone wanted it. Although I can't complain, could be interesting again if done right. A pipebomb on Batista could be amazing. He's had three "Summers of Punk" in WWE already- two heel ones in 2009 and 2012 and a tweener/face one in 2011. At this point I think it's safe to call them "Punk pushes" as they're not out of the norm anymore.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jan 4, 2014 11:22:07 GMT -5
All of this news is just bad. It's... It's all bad.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 4, 2014 11:41:58 GMT -5
Man watch out.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 4, 2014 11:42:11 GMT -5
The Hogan newz doesn't sound too, too bad as far as actually finding a way to use Hogan. Still, I doubt WWE throws away Cena and Bryan in a six man just to have someway to use Hogan. Still, if it did happen (which it almost certainly won't) the Wyatts could really work as classic Hogan villains and all Hogan would have to do really is Hulk up point at Bray, land a few punches and then instead of a leg drop Wyatt turns around to get hit with an Attitude Adjustment.
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 4, 2014 12:02:54 GMT -5
I actually get the Eva Marie thing. Sure, she can't do anything in the ring and has the personality of a cheese grater, but she's hot, has a distinctive look and draws good heel heat. Hell, even this place can't shut up about her. So there.
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Post by Crimson on Jan 4, 2014 13:26:50 GMT -5
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Post by BigWill on Jan 4, 2014 13:31:47 GMT -5
I actually get the Eva Marie thing. Sure, she can't do anything in the ring and has the personality of a cheese grater, but she's hot, has a distinctive look and draws good heel heat. Hell, even this place can't shut up about her. So there. But she's supposed to be a face.
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Post by Psychoblue on Jan 4, 2014 13:57:32 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk...three years after everyone wanted it. Although I can't complain, could be interesting again if done right. A pipebomb on Batista could be amazing. He's had three "Summers of Punk" in WWE already- two heel ones in 2009 and 2012 and a tweener/face one in 2011. At this point I think it's safe to call them "Punk pushes" as they're not out of the norm anymore. Four, there was his face run in 2008 when he won the WHC for the first time and was the main champion on RAW because HHH was WWE Champ on Smackdown and was feuding with Jeff Hardy. Punk never lost that belt in a match: Legacy ambushed him and knocked him out of the match, so the title was then won by Chris Jericho.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 4, 2014 14:02:43 GMT -5
The Summer of Punk...three years after everyone wanted it. Although I can't complain, could be interesting again if done right. A pipebomb on Batista could be amazing. He's had three "Summers of Punk" in WWE already- two heel ones in 2009 and 2012 and a tweener/face one in 2011. At this point I think it's safe to call them "Punk pushes" as they're not out of the norm anymore. "But we've got three grandpas already!"
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Post by Manute Bol on Jan 4, 2014 14:10:30 GMT -5
Absolutely none of this is true.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 4, 2014 14:49:48 GMT -5
I actually get the Eva Marie thing. Sure, she can't do anything in the ring and has the personality of a cheese grater, but she's hot, has a distinctive look and draws good heel heat. Hell, even this place can't shut up about her. So there. But she's supposed to be a face. For now
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 4, 2014 14:52:18 GMT -5
But she's supposed to be a face. For now Is she supposed to be a face at all? Eva did a lot more heel stuff in just a few seconds in that Diva tag match on Monday than Bo did in his entire "heel run".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 14:54:55 GMT -5
"Oh my god, the Wyatt's/Shield are going to sell for Hulk, what a travesty!". There is a reason why the WWE doesn't listen to the internet, and it's stuff like that. I will never understand why smarks care about "the future". Casual fans (i.e. the majority who buy the PPV) do not care if Hogan is 60 and the Wyatt's are young and active. They want to see the Hogan signature spots. Just like when The Rock came back. If Austin came back tomorrow, and Brock Lesnar started selling for a retired wrestler with back/neck problems, do you think fans will be in an uproar? I mean, come on. The legends get treated like legends. It's fake. Everyone knows it's fake. If the Shield or Wyatt's lose to Hogan, no one will even remember or care for the loss. They will only care for the signature spots, posing, crowd pop when Real American plays, etc. Uh, I don't care. Like seriously. At all. What's with this idea we have to give a damn what casual's think? I watch the show most weeks, so I care about what's going to entertain me every week. I have no interest in a one off Hogan pop. Screw that. I don't need to see some old dude show up and amble around the ring. I watch the current show because I like those talents, not because I want to see guys like that.
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