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Post by Mr. Butter Fingers on Jan 18, 2014 13:25:59 GMT -5
The results say that Gunner defeated Bobby Roode.
This show deserved everything that it got.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 18, 2014 13:26:49 GMT -5
This is actually Austin Aries' fault. He was supposed to do a radio call-in to promote the show in the area but when he called the host said "Is this Austin Aries or Austin Starr?" and he hung up on them
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 18, 2014 13:52:17 GMT -5
Question is, how much advertising do they do for the house shows? If they did/do alot, this is indeed a depressing turnout, but if all they did was have the date and venue on, for example, their website, it isn't that bad, I'd imagine. There is also the question of if they turn a (small) profit or go back on these small crowds. Profit? No problems. Lose money? Problems.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 18, 2014 14:04:38 GMT -5
This is what I'm fearing for the house show that's coming close to my hometown; Abilene, Tx. It is on Feb 14th but I just now found out about it by accident when reading online (non wrestling site) that Impact was coming to Abilene. I haven't seen or heard anything else about it. No radio ads, no newspaper ads, etc. TNA put on a house show here in 2009 and there was about 3/4 of the way full. I really hope it gets that full again, but even with me as a TNA fan I had no idea it was happening so I suspect lots of other fans don't even know its coming. TNA's marketing has always sucked. That's one thing I hoped Bischoff would fix, but nope, still the same non-existant promotion and marketing
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Post by metylerca on Jan 18, 2014 14:13:35 GMT -5
This is a company on its deathbed, people.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 14:32:28 GMT -5
When I went to a TNA house show the row I was meant to be sitting in had disappeared, I asked a steward and they told me that "to make the show more intimate the seating has been rearranged" which translates to "we sold less tickets than we thought we would so we reconfigured the arena to account for it.
Why didn't they do that here?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 14:37:44 GMT -5
This is actually Austin Aries' fault. He was supposed to do a radio call-in to promote the show in the area but when he called the host said "Is this Austin Aries or Austin Starr?" and he hung up on them He really hated it when the Host asked him if he was drinking some Steveweisers and planning on stunning his neighbor after the interview.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 15:11:38 GMT -5
When I went to a TNA house show the row I was meant to be sitting in had disappeared, I asked a steward and they told me that "to make the show more intimate the seating has been rearranged" which translates to "we sold less tickets than we thought we would so we reconfigured the arena to account for it. Why didn't they do that here? I know it doesn't seem like it, but maybe all fans were asked to move to the first&second tier of seats. If that's the case it's possible that people sat wherever they liked and had some space to 'emselves. Rearranging seating for staff at venues even with assistance from every member of the roster is a dull trial for everyone involved (having done it often enough myself) and generally not worth it unless everyone has absolutely nothing to do pre-show.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jan 18, 2014 15:42:58 GMT -5
Question is, how much advertising do they do for the house shows? If they did/do alot, this is indeed a depressing turnout, but if all they did was have the date and venue on, for example, their website, it isn't that bad, I'd imagine. There is also the question of if they turn a (small) profit or go back on these small crowds. Profit? No problems. Lose money? Problems. They promote the house shows during IMPACT and on their website
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 16:44:22 GMT -5
"I'm such a good heel. Fans hate me so much that they don't even want to attend shows. And people on the computer said that I was awful. Who's laughing now?" - Dixie Carter
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 18, 2014 17:06:03 GMT -5
Question is, how much advertising do they do for the house shows? TNA's marketing has always sucked. It is a pretty sad reality for TNA that, through all the eras and differing opinions on which parts were good or which parts were bad and so on and so forth...they've always been terrible at promoting the company. I mean, this is no good sure and the baseline seems lower for TNA than it has been for years. But they never got the hang of genuine, robust promotion tactics. That's pretty tragic, after all these years, all those wrestlers and all that money.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 18, 2014 17:08:15 GMT -5
1. they don't really advertise locally. I've been to 2 Bound for Glory shows and wouldn't have known about them unless I visited here.
2. larger venues are usually cheaper than small ones. small venues in demand = higher pricing.
3. they don't run too often in some places because they don't want to burn out the area. why go to tonights show when there will be another a month from now? impact zone worked because it was held in an amusement park
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Post by jimmyjames on Jan 18, 2014 17:12:44 GMT -5
I'll say this. When WWE comes to your town, they let you know. They advertise months in advance, on Raw, Smackdown, other wrestling programs and radio. The TNA marketing is to put show dates on their website and list it on -screen after a commercial on Impact. Is there any surprise no one shows up for house shows, PPVs or Impact (when they were on the road)?
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 18, 2014 17:16:27 GMT -5
TNA's marketing has always sucked. That's one thing I hoped Bischoff would fix, but nope, still the same non-existant promotion and marketing funny thing is, Bischoff wasn't that great at marketing WCW during the 90s IMO. you never saw the Toymakers figures advertised in the magazines or the VHS videos and you never saw a monthly merchandise catalog like WWF. The only catalog I recall was from late 1997 and they had a limited selection of past PPV VHS tapes. From mid 1994 to early 1995 they didn't even have a magazine. On the other hand, WWF had a different merchandise catalog about every four months (it slowed around 1995 though) and they advertised their Hasbro, Jakks, and LJN toys very frequently and of course they always had the VHS tapes advertised but for a lot of money. Calling TNA the #2 wrestling company is an insult to ROH and a lot of up and coming independent companies that are definitely trying their best. TNA may be #2 if only for a few of their bigger names on the roster. And that just comes down to having the money to pay them.
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Post by metylerca on Jan 18, 2014 17:34:13 GMT -5
TNA's marketing has always sucked. That's one thing I hoped Bischoff would fix, but nope, still the same non-existant promotion and marketing funny thing is, Bischoff wasn't that great at marketing WCW during the 90s IMO. you never saw the Toymakers figures advertised in the magazines or the VHS videos and you never saw a monthly merchandise catalog like WWF. The only catalog I recall was from late 1997 and they had a limited selection of past PPV VHS tapes. From mid 1994 to early 1995 they didn't even have a magazine. On the other hand, WWF had a different merchandise catalog about every four months (it slowed around 1995 though) and they advertised their Hasbro, Jakks, and LJN toys very frequently and of course they always had the VHS tapes advertised but for a lot of money. Calling TNA the #2 wrestling company is an insult to ROH and a lot of up and coming independent companies that are definitely trying their best. TNA may be #2 if only for a few of their bigger names on the roster. And that just comes down to having the money to pay them. In hearing Jim Cornette's take on ROH advertising local markets, I don't think TNA is any worse. However, the only thing separating them from ROH, PWG, EVOLVE and DGUSA is their Spike TV deal. If they seriously ran the way they run without a television deal, complete with nonsensical booking and Dixie Carter: Heel Authority Figure, they'd be out of business quickly. Right now, they are showing signs of a chipped away foundation. Their main revenue is international TV deals and house shows overseas. They can't fill a soundstage smaller than the one they used to run. Their "Super Bowl" type PPV drew jack shit (I was there, I saw how pathetic it looked) and their booking isn't getting better. This is a company in need of a overhaul. A major overhaul. And not a Vince Russo/Eric Bischoff *RESET BUTTON* overhaul, but a business style overhaul where heads roll. I know the hardcore TNA fans here would hate this suggestion, but they need to go straight up NWA 89 booking where wrestling trumps convoluted story lines and their identity is defined by what's in-ring and not backstage via guerrilla camera techniques. That's how they get good word of mouth from the internet community, which is growing. It's not their market, but their market right now isn't paying for what they offer. In 2005, TNA's great word of mouth came from spectacular matches and being a place where people who don't fit the WWE mold can excel. Right now, they're WWE-lite. Just like they've been for years. And they will never out-WWE the WWE. Back to the drawing board, I say. Unless they want smaller houses than the ones pictured in the OP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 17:36:52 GMT -5
"Christy Hemme was announced as the ring announcer to a nice reaction." Hmm...let me change this "Christy Hemme was announced as the ring announcer to a nice reaction." There we go
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 18, 2014 18:02:00 GMT -5
If I were involved in TNA's management I would recommend one of three approaches to handling house show circuits:
1) If you want to be big-time, be big-time! I know every time that WWE comes to Indy because they advertise, with a particular focus on radio ads. Radio ads have a decent return on investment, so focusing on radio ads could be an effective way drum up a lot of business.
2) If you insist on being small-time, act small-time! Growing up I always knew whenever the USWA ran a show within 50 miles of my hometown because they advertised the way small budgets advertise. They bought some newspaper ads but the focus was on putting fliers all over the place. All that takes is $20 worth of print-offs and some low-paid gopher who spends one day a week putting fliers up in each nearby town.
3) If they are serious about being booking agents, then take advantage of your assets!. If you don't know how to run small house shows, contract local indie promoters to run a show featuring a mix of TNA talents and a few matches featuring their local talents (though the rules should require that TNA talent only work with TNA talent). This way it is in someone else's best interest to advertise the shows. Sure, it would require TNA to share profits but if house shows are not generating a lot of cash this change might generate more money for TNA. Even if the increase in attendance only means that TNA's share of the profits is equal to their profits as a solo promoter, at least they can avoid such embarrassing pictures from coming out.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Jan 18, 2014 18:16:26 GMT -5
A couple weeks back they ran two nights here in Tennessee. One was in a gym that did pretty well. The other was in the civic center in my home town that drew 1,200. I agree that smaller areas is probably better for now.
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Post by SOR on Jan 18, 2014 21:00:00 GMT -5
Actually the people saying Radio Ad's they don't usually work unless it's a 5-10 minute interview with a star that people recognize. This is what Hulk Hogan was good for because he'd be able to do that and people would say "Wow, Hulk Hogan is in town. Lets go and see him"
Newspaper Advertisements are the way to go. With those you can hook someone into buying a ticket by promoting certain people and showing them a visual. For example, you could promote Christy Hemme and mention the fact she's a former Playboy Model. Obviously that hooks your 18+ demographic. You put Magnus on your event advertisement to try and hook the women in. You promote Bully Ray to try and hook the casual WWE fan or old wrestling fan and you promote Samoa Joe to hook your existing TNA fan.
With that you're attempting to hook everyone in with what makes them marketable (Their looks) instead of simply rattling off a bunch of names that people don't recognize. You can also cut out a newspaper advertisement and put it in your bag and it would have every detail on it. With a radio advertisement you may remember bits and pieces but then you have to Google TNA Wrestling and find out when it is etc etc. Newspaper articles/advertisements are much better.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 18, 2014 21:06:30 GMT -5
Actually the people saying Radio Ad's they don't usually work unless it's a 5-10 minute interview with a star that people recognize. This is what Hulk Hogan was good for because he'd be able to do that and people would say "Wow, Hulk Hogan is in town. Lets go and see him" Newspaper Advertisements are the way to go. With those you can hook someone into buying a ticket by promoting certain people and showing them a visual. For example, you could promote Christy Hemme and mention the fact she's a former Playboy Model. Obviously that hooks your 18+ demographic. You put Magnus on your event advertisement to try and hook the women in. You promote Bully Ray to try and hook the casual WWE fan or old wrestling fan and you promote Samoa Joe to hook your existing TNA fan. With that you're attempting to hook everyone in with what makes them marketable (Their looks) instead of simply rattling off a bunch of names that people don't recognize. You can also cut out a newspaper advertisement and put it in your bag and it would have every detail on it. With a radio advertisement you may remember bits and pieces but then you have to Google TNA Wrestling and find out when it is etc etc. Newspaper articles/advertisements are much better. I say this as someone who was in the industry, the target demographic don't read newspapers anymore, so it's not likely that they'd ever see it. They don't listen to the radio as much, but there's a better chance buying an ad on a sports talk radio station than there is buying a print ad. Most ideally would be a billboard or something of that nature, but that's not always an option.
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