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Post by Red Impact on Jan 21, 2014 18:50:57 GMT -5
The #1 offence and the #1 defense have met 5 times in the SB, and defense won 4 of those times.
In 2007, New England averaged 37 ppg in the regular season, 24 ppg in the playoffs, and scored 14 in a Super Bowl loss. The Broncos have 38 ppg in the regular season, which dropped to 25 ppg in the playoffs.
So history seems to favor the Hawks, but momentum probably favors the Broncos. I'll be disappointed if this doesn't turn out to be a game for the ages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 18:59:39 GMT -5
Still going with Seattle. For all of their offensive struggles they still put up 23 against a strong SF defense and eventually wore them down, whereas Denver's vaunted offense put 26 against an average and completely depleted Patriots defense. Combine that with it being cold and most likely at least windy in NYC, Seattle's strong coverage and pass rush, and Denver's defensive woes and it doesn't look good for the Broncos. I doubt that it will be an outright blowout but I figure that Seattle will win by 10 or so.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 21, 2014 19:03:08 GMT -5
According to the National Football Post, three general managers with a "serious interest" in this year's quarterback-draft class compare it to 2011's.
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Post by Orange on Jan 21, 2014 19:06:58 GMT -5
San Francisco's offense, led by a much younger and less experienced quarterback, was able to move the ball on Seattle's D and came very close to winning. I'm not saying they would have because I had Seattle before the game, but even with multiple turnovers from Kaepernick the game was close.
If Kaepernick could figure out their defense, I have no reason to believe that Peyton's not going to know what to do. With the way Peyton lines up and meticulously picks apart a defense before the ball is even snapped, I'm sure he'll be fine.
Seattle's got fire coming into this game because they're a bunch of young, hungry very good dudes, but I think experience is what'll bring the Lombardi back to Denver.
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Post by LastCall on Jan 21, 2014 19:20:24 GMT -5
Kaepernick busted through Seattle's D with his legs. I'm pretty sure Peyton Manning isn't gonna rush for 130 yards like Kaepernick did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 19:20:40 GMT -5
San Francisco's offense, led by a much younger and less experienced quarterback, was able to move the ball on Seattle's D and came very close to winning. I'm not saying they would have because I had Seattle before the game, but even with multiple turnovers from Kaepernick the game was close. If Kaepernick could figure out their defense, I have no reason to believe that Peyton's not going to know what to do. With the way Peyton lines up and meticulously picks apart a defense before the ball is even snapped, I'm sure he'll be fine. Seattle's got fire coming into this game because they're a bunch of young, hungry very good dudes, but I think experience is what'll bring the Lombardi back to Denver. Kaepernick has that one thing that Peyton doesn't have though, scrambling ability. Without him running around and getting free and running for big gains he would have been sacked many times. That was what kept SF in the game for the most part. Peyton's best bet is to get the ball out fast(which he is good at) but he's going to get pressured. I'm sure that he can figure out the defense but this Seattle defense is a different animal than anything that they've seen so far this season. They're all big, mean, and hit like a truck.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 21, 2014 19:32:27 GMT -5
San Francisco's offense, led by a much younger and less experienced quarterback, was able to move the ball on Seattle's D and came very close to winning. I'm not saying they would have because I had Seattle before the game, but even with multiple turnovers from Kaepernick the game was close. If Kaepernick could figure out their defense, I have no reason to believe that Peyton's not going to know what to do. With the way Peyton lines up and meticulously picks apart a defense before the ball is even snapped, I'm sure he'll be fine. Seattle's got fire coming into this game because they're a bunch of young, hungry very good dudes, but I think experience is what'll bring the Lombardi back to Denver. Kaepernick has that one thing that Peyton doesn't have though, scrambling ability. Without him running around and getting free and running for big gains he would have been sacked many times. That was what kept SF in the game for the most part. Peyton's best bet is to get the ball out fast(which he is good at) but he's going to get pressured. I'm sure that he can figure out the defense but this Seattle defense is a different animal than anything that they've seen so far this season. They're all big, mean, and hit like a truck. See, I think Kaepernick can hurt people with his legs, but his throwing ability is pretty good at best. He won't shred defenses the way Peyton does. And the Broncos run game is more than capable of making up the difference. But I think you're in the ballpark. I think the key to this game is Denver's O-Line, they need to give Manning time. Seattle isn't blitz happy, they have a fairly normal pass rush. If that can be blocked, it's just a matter of guys beating their corners. Someone will get open given enough time, and when that happens, Manning can hit them. Seattle either has to break that line, or Manning has to get it out in the inches that Seattle corners tend to give their receivers. I keep convincing myself that the other team is going to win.
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Post by Sektor on Jan 21, 2014 19:50:48 GMT -5
I think saying that San Francisco "moved the ball" on Seattle is a little misinformed. 17 points is very underwhelming for a healthy San Francisco offense that was good this year despite missing receivers. You can point to yards, but it doesn't matter if you're consistently getting locked down in the red zone.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 21, 2014 20:07:35 GMT -5
According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns might decide to "look no further" if Bills DC Mike Pettine's second interview for the team's head-coaching vacancy goes well on Tuesday evening.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2014 20:13:29 GMT -5
According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns might decide to "look no further" if Bills DC Mike Pettine's second interview for the team's head-coaching vacancy goes well on Tuesday evening. Basically they'll settle on another 1-and-done coach and take another swing at major name next season.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 21, 2014 20:14:17 GMT -5
And run into the same problems
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2014 20:19:14 GMT -5
And run into the same problems Oh yeah. It amazes me for a guy who was (is?) a huge Steelers fan and talked about wanting to emulate their style, Jimmy Haslam cannot figure it out.
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Post by PrinceD on Jan 21, 2014 20:34:27 GMT -5
I know that the old saying is defense wins championships, but this isn't just the #1 offense. The Broncos have the best offense in NFL history. The best in points, yards and TDs. They have way too many weapons on offense. Demaryius, Decker, Welker, Juilius, Knowshon and an emerging Montee Ball. No way no how does Seattles D contain all of them.
Plus Seattle's O is very average. They have a good run game, but Denver's D has been great against the run.
Final score Denver - 31 Seattle- 17
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 21, 2014 20:51:45 GMT -5
I know that the old saying is defense wins championships, but this isn't just the #1 offense. The Broncos have the best offense in NFL history. The best in points, yards and TDs. They have way too many weapons on offense. Demaryius, Decker, Welker, Juilius, Knowshon and an emerging Montee Ball. No way no how does Seattles D contain all of them. Best offense in NFL history? Sorry can't agree with that. They may have the stats, but I'd go with the 1989 49ers, yeah they didn't have the huge number of points, but that offense was f***ing loaded. Joe Montana having arguably the best season of his career, Steve Young as a backup throwing for over 1,000 yards, Jerry Rice having an amazing year (not as good as his 1987 season), Roger Craig out of the backfield, John Taylor, Tom Rathman, and Brent Jones. That was a team with way too many weapons on offense. And that's not even counting what they did in the playoffs where they ran over everyone. The NFL was also a different game then, it wasn't as slanted to the offense as now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 20:55:53 GMT -5
Kaepernick has that one thing that Peyton doesn't have though, scrambling ability. Without him running around and getting free and running for big gains he would have been sacked many times. That was what kept SF in the game for the most part. Peyton's best bet is to get the ball out fast(which he is good at) but he's going to get pressured. I'm sure that he can figure out the defense but this Seattle defense is a different animal than anything that they've seen so far this season. They're all big, mean, and hit like a truck. See, I think Kaepernick can hurt people with his legs, but his throwing ability is pretty good at best. He won't shred defenses the way Peyton does. And the Broncos run game is more than capable of making up the difference. But I think you're in the ballpark. I think the key to this game is Denver's O-Line, they need to give Manning time. Seattle isn't blitz happy, they have a fairly normal pass rush. If that can be blocked, it's just a matter of guys beating their corners. Someone will get open given enough time, and when that happens, Manning can hit them. Seattle either has to break that line, or Manning has to get it out in the inches that Seattle corners tend to give their receivers. I keep convincing myself that the other team is going to win. The Broncs run game isn't very good. It succeeds because teams don't really play the run against Denver. Of course, dropping back into coverage doesn't stop Denver's offense either, but the point remains. Kaepernick's mobility is such an asset to the 49ers because he has the requisite passing ability to force some defensive backs into coverage, but he's also fast enough that if you don't spy him (which means you're losing a defender you could otherwise blitz or cover with) he can and will get some yards with his legs. It's the same thing that makes the Panthers' offense so effective. You sort of have to play the run and pass against a guy like Newton or Kaepernick because of the athleticism they bring to the table.
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Post by Orange on Jan 21, 2014 20:57:52 GMT -5
See, I think Kaepernick can hurt people with his legs, but his throwing ability is pretty good at best. He won't shred defenses the way Peyton does. And the Broncos run game is more than capable of making up the difference. But I think you're in the ballpark. I think the key to this game is Denver's O-Line, they need to give Manning time. Seattle isn't blitz happy, they have a fairly normal pass rush. If that can be blocked, it's just a matter of guys beating their corners. Someone will get open given enough time, and when that happens, Manning can hit them. Seattle either has to break that line, or Manning has to get it out in the inches that Seattle corners tend to give their receivers. I keep convincing myself that the other team is going to win. The Broncs run game isn't very good. It succeeds because teams don't really play the run against Denver. Of course, dropping back into coverage doesn't stop Denver's offense either, but the point remains. No, our run game is very good. When you have a guy in Moreno that can run for 224 yards in one game, and consistently help keep the offense on field, your run game is good.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Jan 21, 2014 21:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 21, 2014 21:33:19 GMT -5
Holy WOW! What a dirty f***ing play.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Jan 21, 2014 21:59:14 GMT -5
I know that the old saying is defense wins championships, but this isn't just the #1 offense. The Broncos have the best offense in NFL history. The best in points, yards and TDs. They have way too many weapons on offense. Demaryius, Decker, Welker, Juilius, Knowshon and an emerging Montee Ball. No way no how does Seattles D contain all of them. Plus Seattle's O is very average. They have a good run game, but Denver's D has been great against the run. Final score Denver - 31 Seattle- 17 You can say that about the 1990 and 2007 Giants teams when comparing them to this year's Seahawks. Could it be possible that the Legion of Boom is to Peyton as the Giants D-Line was to Brady?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 22:15:29 GMT -5
The Broncs run game isn't very good. It succeeds because teams don't really play the run against Denver. Of course, dropping back into coverage doesn't stop Denver's offense either, but the point remains. No, our run game is very good. When you have a guy in Moreno that can run for 224 yards in one game, and consistently help keep the offense on field, your run game is good. The run game looks good because the passing game is incomparable. No team I can remember had a passing offense like Denver does right now. No one plays the run against Denver because...why should you? If you bother, you're always going to get burned with a short pass to the myriad #1 WRs. Denver could have a guy with no legs running the ball and their offense wouldn't be any different.
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