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Post by horsemen4ever on Jan 24, 2014 20:02:37 GMT -5
It seems almost everytime one of Hogan's friends turns on him, the storyline leading up to the heel turn, something happens that the other guy has a legit reason to be mad and Hogan acting like a duch.
Hogan wouldn't return Orndorff's phone calls, than he steals Andre's moment of glory when he got a trophy for being undefeated and wouldn't let him talk and hogs the spotlight, while Hogan didn't do anything wrong still you could understand why Savage was mad that he was left by himself to face the Twin Towers, and of course he cost Sid the world title and help the hated Ric Flair win the world title and looked like a real crybaby.
All those occassions made me think Hogan was subcontiously an ego maniac and wanted his friends to know their place and realise he was the star and they are his sidekics, case in point his whining in the 92 Rumble about "his" belt acting like he was entitled to it. Which is why I think Hollywood Hogan was Hogan subcontiously finally coming out and showing what he deeply was inside all those years.
It seemed whenever someone turned on Hogan, it wasn't simply because they are duchbags, Hogan did something along the way that you could sympatise with them. I wonder why Vince booked it that way?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 24, 2014 20:06:05 GMT -5
It happened in WCW too, when he threw a fit because Savage won the belt or a battle royal or something. I've never understood why they booked all of those bits that way, but yeah, it almost seems like they were trying to tell us something through it all, even though I'll never in my life buy that it was premeditated and on purpose.
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Post by molson5 on Jan 24, 2014 20:09:02 GMT -5
I've always been really sympathetic to Ordornoff's character during that turn. The guy just wanted friends that respected him. I was happy for him that he finally found that acceptance within the Heenan family.
Edit: I think that kind of booking of Hogan in the 80s was intentional. He was a new kind of babyface, far removed from Bob Backlund. It wasn't that he was being "heelish", he was just larger than life, loud, confident, over-the-top. It was perfect for the 80s.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 24, 2014 20:14:09 GMT -5
These are very good points, especially Orndorff, but god, he was a hothead in general, but yea. I cheered Hogan every step of the way though, although I saw the bad guys' points, but at the same time, Hogan was such a charismatic and caring wrestler, that you knew he didn't mean any harm, although it would have been interesting how they had played it out, if they didn't turn Andre heel when he first asked Hogan for a title shot...hmmm thread idea
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 24, 2014 20:26:56 GMT -5
I wonder if Vince McMahon, himself being oblivious about many of the behaviors that make someone an a-hole, just unintentionally booked his No. 1 good guy to be somewhat of an a-hole for nine years.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jan 24, 2014 20:33:40 GMT -5
You spoons got it all wrong, brother! Hulk Hogan's the best friend a guy could have, man, because he's a rude dude and the real deal, dude. And I can hear all the Hulkamaniacs calling out, brother, that they know that all those marks are lucky Hulk Hogan gave them the time of day because they were friends with Hulk Hogan, Hulk Hogan wasn't friends with them and that's a fact, Jack.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:07:11 GMT -5
It never really dawned on me besides sid, but yeah, you're right.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 24, 2014 22:11:52 GMT -5
It seems almost everytime one of Hogan's friends turns on him, the storyline leading up to the heel turn, something happens that the other guy has a legit reason to be mad and Hogan acting like a duch. Hogan wouldn't return Orndorff's phone calls, than he steals Andre's moment of glory when he got a trophy for being undefeated and wouldn't let him talk and hogs the spotlight, while Hogan didn't do anything wrong still you could understand why Savage was mad that he was left by himself to face the Twin Towers, and of course he cost Sid the world title and help the hated Ric Flair win the world title and looked like a real crybaby. All those occassions made me think Hogan was subcontiously an ego maniac and wanted his friends to know their place and realise he was the star and they are his sidekics, case in point his whining in the 92 Rumble about "his" belt acting like he was entitled to it. Which is why I think Hollywood Hogan was Hogan subcontiously finally coming out and showing what he deeply was inside all those years. It seemed whenever someone turned on Hogan, it wasn't simply because they are duchbags, Hogan did something along the way that you could sympatise with them. I wonder why Vince booked it that way? me, I think if people are that damn sensitive they're pretty piss poor, paranoid "friends" in the first place. They were Hogan's buddies as long as it was beneficial to them. in 92 he had lost "his belt" because Ric Flair had stuck a chair under his head on Undertaker's tombstone piledriver. Does Tunney reverse the decision? No, he just orders a rematch that theoretically gives Undertaker the champs advantages. Then Hogan wins it cheap, okay, turnabout is fair play. No, this time Tunney doesn't simply order a rematch. This time he strips Hogan of the title. |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 24, 2014 22:13:12 GMT -5
It happened in WCW too, when he threw a fit because Savage won the belt or a battle royal or something. I've never understood why they booked all of those bits that way, but yeah, it almost seems like they were trying to tell us something through it all, even though I'll never in my life buy that it was premeditated and on purpose. I believe in that instance Hogan was yanked out under the bottom rope rather than being eliminated properly |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:10:39 GMT -5
Outside of the typical male instinct to not trust your hot girlfriend/wife around your rich/successful best friend, I can't see how Savage could be portrayed as sympathetic in that feud. Hogan saved him from HTM/Hart Foundation to initially create the Mega Powers, he helped Savage win the WWF title when it was no benefit to Hogan to do so, he helped Savage fight off the Mega Bucks and Twin Towers for months, and the only reason he abandoned Savage during the Twin Towers match was because he was taking an unconscious woman to get medial attention. "But Hulk was totally trying to bang Liz!" is not really a valid argument. Nothing that happened on television ever portrayed Hogan doing anything wrong as it pertains to Elizabeth. It's just mind boggling to me how Savage is always looked at as being in the right in that feud. He played the jealous/paranoid best friend/boyfriend character perfectly, and that's why the angle worked so well. It would not have worked if Hogan was clearly wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:12:36 GMT -5
It happened in WCW too, when he threw a fit because Savage won the belt or a battle royal or something. I've never understood why they booked all of those bits that way, but yeah, it almost seems like they were trying to tell us something through it all, even though I'll never in my life buy that it was premeditated and on purpose. I believe in that instance Hogan was yanked out under the bottom rope rather than being eliminated properly Yes, Hogan was yanked under the bottom rope, so he wasn't legally eliminated from the match, so in that case, he probably had a reason to complain. The Sid/Rumble '92 incident is indefensible though. Hogan was the heel in that scenario, at least the way it played out, and once the WWF realized it, they had to play damage control (i.e. having Sid turn his back on Hulk on SNME, etc). |
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 24, 2014 23:13:19 GMT -5
Did Beefcake have a reason for turning on him in WCW?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 24, 2014 23:18:11 GMT -5
Did Beefcake have a reason for turning on him in WCW? What, when Warrior kidnapped him? |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 24, 2014 23:22:55 GMT -5
Did Beefcake have a reason for turning on him in WCW? What, when Warrior kidnapped him? no when he became the Butcher |
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Post by Shark on Jan 24, 2014 23:29:25 GMT -5
All those occassions made me think Hogan was subcontiously an ego maniac and wanted his friends to know their place and realise he was the star and they are his sidekics, case in point his whining in the 92 Rumble about "his" belt acting like he was entitled to it. Which is why I think Hollywood Hogan was Hogan subcontiously finally coming out and showing what he deeply was inside all those years.
This made me remember that during Halloween Havoc 97, Hogan was saying he wasn't going to face Piper in the cage and during a match the announcers were irate over what Hogan was doing and Heenan was asked to say something and Heenan went off saying that for years he told everyone that Hogan was no good and was only out for himself. The hogan heel turn really did make Bobbe Heenan right for all those years. |
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Post by aaronslip on Jan 26, 2014 5:00:24 GMT -5
The Rumble 92 ending really should have been Sid / Hogan reversing roles, only Hogan occidentally knocking Sid out of the ring. A huge gaff IMO, he actual ending made little sense.
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Post by aaronslip on Jan 26, 2014 5:00:38 GMT -5
The Rumble 92 ending really should have been Sid / Hogan reversing roles, only Hogan occidentally knocking Sid out of the ring. A huge gaff IMO, he actual ending made little sense.
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Post by aaronslip on Jan 26, 2014 5:01:10 GMT -5
It seems almost everytime one of Hogan's friends turns on him, the storyline leading up to the heel turn, something happens that the other guy has a legit reason to be mad and Hogan acting like a duch. Hogan wouldn't return Orndorff's phone calls, than he steals Andre's moment of glory when he got a trophy for being undefeated and wouldn't let him talk and hogs the spotlight, while Hogan didn't do anything wrong still you could understand why Savage was mad that he was left by himself to face the Twin Towers, and of course he cost Sid the world title and help the hated Ric Flair win the world title and looked like a real crybaby. All those occassions made me think Hogan was subcontiously an ego maniac and wanted his friends to know their place and realise he was the star and they are his sidekics, case in point his whining in the 92 Rumble about "his" belt acting like he was entitled to it. Which is why I think Hollywood Hogan was Hogan subcontiously finally coming out and showing what he deeply was inside all those years. It seemed whenever someone turned on Hogan, it wasn't simply because they are duchbags, Hogan did something along the way that you could sympatise with them. I wonder why Vince booked it that way? The Rumble 92 ending really should have been Sid / Hogan reversing roles, only Hogan occidentally knocking Sid out of the ring. A huge gaff IMO, he actual ending made little sense. |
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 9:55:04 GMT -5
Most heroes are flawed if you really think about it. Not just in wrestling but in cartoons and film also.
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Post by ratetankmark on Jan 26, 2014 12:51:55 GMT -5
What was the Sid incident?
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