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Post by Red Impact on Feb 16, 2014 17:02:01 GMT -5
One of the reasons he shouldn't be champion is because "the public" might think of Chris Benoit somehow? That'd be like saying the Vikings shouldn't have drafted Adrian Peterson because both he and OJ Simpson were black running backs. It's a ridiculous argument, the vast, vast, vast majority of fans aren't going to make any negative association between the two, and it sure as hell isn't going to extend into the mainstream 'public.'
It's the job of the company to make feuds happen, and if they want to, they're capable of doing it. All feuds start somewhere, and getting one started for Bryan is no more difficult than doing so for any other wrestler on roster.
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Post by CM Dazz on Feb 16, 2014 17:03:02 GMT -5
Few more names that come to mind:
Lesnar Reigns Rollins Ambrose Batista Swagger
Actually, I'd buy a blood feud between Bryan & just about anyone on the roster except Del Rio, & Miz. I just want both of them to go away though... I'm not including guys like Ryder, or Kidd that aren't used. Although a feud with Kidd could be good too!
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Post by Snowman on Feb 16, 2014 18:25:16 GMT -5
Why do you keep calling him D. Bryan Danielson? Because according to WWE his name is Daniel Bryan. Bryan Danielson. Daniel Bryan. "Daniel" Bryan Danielson. D. Bryan Danielson. Basically because I want to and people know who I'm talking about regardless. Fair enough but why not just say 'Bryan' and that covers both bases
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Post by mrjl on Feb 16, 2014 18:42:59 GMT -5
One of the reasons he shouldn't be champion is because "the public" might think of Chris Benoit somehow? That'd be like saying the Vikings shouldn't have drafted Adrian Peterson because both he and OJ Simpson were black running backs. It's a ridiculous argument, the vast, vast, vast majority of fans aren't going to make any negative association between the two, and it sure as hell isn't going to extend into the mainstream 'public.' It's the job of the company to make feuds happen, and if they want to, they're capable of doing it. All feuds start somewhere, and getting one started for Bryan is no more difficult than doing so for any other wrestler on roster. no, that's not why he shouldn't be champ, I think he should be champ. I suggested it might be a bad idea to have a smaller guy who wrestles a similar style; crossface, diving headbutt, german suplexes, win it on the tenth anniversary of Benoit winning it.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 16, 2014 18:49:01 GMT -5
Which is TOTALLY a concern of mine. I know the Internet is regarded as refuge to the insecure fan, that child who has yet to learn the act of accepting the viewpoint of some contrarian, but, to be perfectly honest, I can't claim membership. I, personally, couldn't care less about the personal taste of someone I don't know, least of all an individual who equates an innocent man to a murderer. Not to mention, Batista apparently made some unflattering comments about Bryan's World Heavyweight Title win. So having a bit of concern about public perception is equating him to a murderer. I was concerned others might. Especially since I know some people already do. And of course if my opinion is of no concern to you, why bother to reply? And no one seems to get that I'm not saying "There's no possibilities for getting him in an intensely personal feuds," I'm saying "I think actually trying to get him in an intense rivalry, the way wrestling tends to with their champs, instead of just matches may actually make him less interesting." The problem is that it's from your own flawed viewpoint. You're speaking as if it's an absolute, when it's entirely your own preconditioned weird thinking and strange world outlook. People often respond in bewilderment to your posts and points, because you never ever seem to stop, listen to what's being said, see that your view has been invalidated with evidence or example, consider you might be wrong, and subsequently concede and change. That is what makes your posts so mind-numbing. You make a blanket statement, people give examples countering your main point, and rather than saying "cool, but I'm still not interested" , you try instead to construct an argument to prove your blanket statement anyway -- which is impossible. Because it is, again, not absolute.
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Post by Catchphrase! on Feb 16, 2014 18:49:30 GMT -5
So having a bit of concern about public perception is equating him to a murderer. I was concerned others might. Ignoring for a moment how you openly referred to Bryan as the “spiritual successor” to Benoit, your alleged concern is still the manifestation of a perception which places both Bryan and Benoit into the same discrete category. That is, you have to view Bryan and Benoit as significantly related, because if you don't, the thought never occurs. If you need an example, take a look at Ryback and the audience. The fans consider Ryback the equivalent of Goldberg, which has inspired a commitment to echo "Goldberg" anytime Ryback makes an appearance. However, that doesn't happen with other performers . For example, Cesaro is bald and strong, but he does not elicit the same reaction. Why? Because nothing about his character is significantly equivalent to Goldberg, so no one thinks to the equate the two. So, yes, in your attempt to suggest that a Bryan victory would be viewed in poor taste, you managed to treat the two as equal. (a) I wanted to point out my issue with the thread. (b) In accomplishing the above, I had hoped others would soon realize how the opinion of one individual is inconsequential to their own enjoyment, from which they could derive that their time is better spent elsewhere. I'm really just a charitable man, you see. Again, don't care.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 16, 2014 19:16:15 GMT -5
no, that's not why he shouldn't be champ, I think he should be champ. I suggested it might be a bad idea to have a smaller guy who wrestles a similar style; crossface, diving headbutt, german suplexes, win it on the tenth anniversary of Benoit winning it. And why would it be a bad idea? If it's for some reason other than "the public might think of Chris Benoit somehow" then let me know, because I'm struggling to see any merit in calling it a bad idea. It's a gigantic leap of logic that, if we're being generous, maybe 1% of fans will make in the first place and of them, maybe half of those might even see it as a negative, if that much. It's certainly nothing that's going to bleed outside a heavily mocked post on a couple wrestling forums.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 16, 2014 19:32:32 GMT -5
Turn Batista heel, and you have a new feud right there. You could even reference their past match on Raw, back when Bryan was still a rookie. And he needs to be in full Douchetista mode. The clash of their personalities and lifestyles would make for some great TV. I would really be interested in seeing this feud now.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 16, 2014 19:40:11 GMT -5
go to google and search Benoit and Bryan and see who else compares them. Also one person here has a sig that features Bryan and Benoit shaking hands with the caption "They're disrespecting our legacy" so I'm not even the only one here
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Post by mrjl on Feb 16, 2014 19:45:30 GMT -5
So having a bit of concern about public perception is equating him to a murderer. I was concerned others might. Ignoring for a moment how you openly referred to Bryan as the “spiritual successor” to Benoit, your alleged concern is still the manifestation of a perception which places both Bryan and Benoit into the same discrete category. That is, you have to view Bryan and Benoit as significantly related, because if you don't, the thought never occurs. If you need an example, take a look at Ryback and the audience. The fans consider Ryback the equivalent of Goldberg, which has inspired a commitment to echo "Goldberg" anytime Ryback makes an appearance. However, that doesn't happen with other performers . For example, Cesaro is bald and strong, but he does not elicit the same reaction. Why? Because nothing about his character is significantly equivalent to Goldberg, so no one thinks to the equate the two. So, yes, in your attempt to suggest that a Bryan victory would be viewed in poor taste, you managed to treat the two as equal. I was comparing the men's style when I said spiritual successor, the way Benoit was viewed to the Dynamite Kid
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 16, 2014 19:49:04 GMT -5
go to google and search Benoit and Bryan and see who else compares them. Also one person here has a sig that features Bryan and Benoit shaking hands with the caption "They're disrespecting our legacy" so I'm not even the only one here They're people out there as well who believe the world's governments are ran by disguised lizards. Doesn't make it any less idiotic if there's more than one more person who believes something absurd.
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Post by tenshi on Feb 16, 2014 19:56:29 GMT -5
Well, there's always the chance of Bryan feuding with Brock since Brock hasn't had a title match yet and there can be a feud with Cesaro after what happens in the Chamber.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 16, 2014 20:04:03 GMT -5
no, that's not why he shouldn't be champ, I think he should be champ. I suggested it might be a bad idea to have a smaller guy who wrestles a similar style; crossface, diving headbutt, german suplexes, win it on the tenth anniversary of Benoit winning it. And why would it be a bad idea? If it's for some reason other than "the public might think of Chris Benoit somehow" it's the public, or at least the press which likes to mock and drag wrestling through the dirt, might think it's a tribute to Chris Benoit. you know the kind of person who says things like he was depressed because he was demoted from the Four Horsemen to Raw Anniversary's are known for doing tributes to previous events
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 16, 2014 20:06:20 GMT -5
I doubt the media remembers Chris Benoit.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 16, 2014 20:06:58 GMT -5
So having a bit of concern about public perception is equating him to a murderer. I was concerned others might. Especially since I know some people already do. And of course if my opinion is of no concern to you, why bother to reply? And no one seems to get that I'm not saying "There's no possibilities for getting him in an intensely personal feuds," I'm saying "I think actually trying to get him in an intense rivalry, the way wrestling tends to with their champs, instead of just matches may actually make him less interesting." The problem is that it's from your own flawed viewpoint. You're speaking as if it's an absolute, when it's entirely your own preconditioned weird thinking and strange world outlook. People often respond in bewilderment to your posts and points, because you never ever seem to stop, listen to what's being said, see that your view has been invalidated with evidence or example, consider you might be wrong, and subsequently concede and change. That is what makes your posts so mind-numbing. You make a blanket statement, people give examples countering your main point, and rather than saying "cool, but I'm still not interested" , you try instead to construct an argument to prove your blanket statement anyway -- which is impossible. Because it is, again, not absolute. I just want to say you completely misread what I'm saying at every point, if you think this is what I'm doing
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 16, 2014 20:08:14 GMT -5
And why would it be a bad idea? If it's for some reason other than "the public might think of Chris Benoit somehow" it's the public, or at least the press which likes to mock and drag wrestling through the dirt, might think it's a tribute to Chris Benoit. you know the kind of person who says things like he was depressed because he was demoted from the Four Horsemen to Raw Anniversary's are known for doing tributes to previous events A person who thinks that is an imbecile and their perception doesn't matter because it is stupid. It should be of no concern. Anyone can reach for coincidence and make a mountain out of nothing. Like say, a guy with an iron cross insignia destroying a Jew in something called the Elimination Chamber at Summer Slam'2003. This whole argument is ridiculous.
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Post by Red Impact on Feb 16, 2014 20:10:49 GMT -5
go to google and search Benoit and Bryan and see who else compares them. Also one person here has a sig that features Bryan and Benoit shaking hands with the caption "They're disrespecting our legacy" so I'm not even the only one here Comparing them isn't the real issue, because simply saying they're alike in style and size doesn't mean him winning the title on a certain date would bring negative connotation. For what you said to be a real concern, it wouldn't be that people said "they're similar wrestlers," they'd have to associate Bryan in a negative light due to Benoit in regards to this one specific event and raise a fuss about it. The number of people who would do that is tiny. I'd wager it'd be less than those that would be angry if he didn't win, and I don't think he's going to be in the match in the first place. Placating that small segment of thin-skinned whiners is pointless, because there will be thin-skinned whiners no matter what you do, simply due to making a decision and having a show. For it to be a bad idea, you'd have to prove that it's likely that it will lead to a real backlash against the company, and the only way that would happen is for Bryan to come out to Benoit's music and induct him into the Hall of Fame in the middle of Wrestlemania. The press has far more important things to care about than trying to leap in logic to make a connection to a 7 year old story (and yes, the story is 7 years old to them, because they didn't give a crap about Benoit when he won the title, so we're not even dealing with an anniversary that they'd remember or care about). They, as a whole, don't follow wrestling close enough to know who Daniel Bryan is, when Benoit won the title, or any vague similarities in style between them, much less go to great lengths to drag WWE through the mud for no apparent reason. You quoting the "demoted from the Four Horseman" thing just bolsters my argument, they weren't well informed enough to understand any aspect of his career, do you really think they're going to have the date of Benoit's title win circled on a calendar just salivating for the chance to run something negative about WWE? The press,as a whole, cares about wrestling when there's a criminal scandal or a death or a political campaign, that's it. They have plenty of other things to get ratings that would require far less effort. If you think that they're going to reach to try to compare them, then you're being extremely paranoid. The few people in the press who follow wrestling close enough and may write a story on something like Grantland aren't the type that would force a connection between Bryan and Benoit. The types of people who would sensationalize it have moved on to sensationalizing something else and just don't give two shits about Daniel Bryan and the WWE.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 16, 2014 20:20:27 GMT -5
Like say, a guy with an iron cross insignia destroying a Jew in something called the Elimination Chamber at Summer Slam'2003. Now what kind of idiot would ever make a connection between those two things? Oh www.thewrestlingfan.com/summerslam2003.htmlMy bad.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 16, 2014 20:35:24 GMT -5
Like say, a guy with an iron cross insignia destroying a Jew in something called the Elimination Chamber at Summer Slam'2003. Now what kind of idiot would ever make a connection between those two things? Oh www.thewrestlingfan.com/summerslam2003.htmlMy bad. You sure got me. Me purposely, verbatim, referencing an exact joke I made as an absurd point that someone truly stupid would take at face value.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 16, 2014 20:43:15 GMT -5
You sure got me. Me purposely, verbatim, referencing an exact joke I made as an absurd point that someone truly stupid would take at face value. I wasn't being serious.
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