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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 20, 2014 19:48:15 GMT -5
Because tehey're afraid if they do any little thing that might tick Vince off then they are toast in WWE. Isn't that right, Paul?
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Post by Lancers on Feb 20, 2014 20:01:49 GMT -5
Basically, like Dennis Reynolds & The Implication. Put on a bigger act even if the threats are hollow. The V.I.N.C.E. System Validate Nobody Ignore Suggestions Nurture Complacency Change Nothing Establish Dominance
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 20, 2014 20:09:28 GMT -5
probably because they'll get their ass chewed if they do. maybe not by Vince, but by one of the other executives/office workers (Stephanie, Triple H, Kevin Dunn, Michael Hayes, etc.) most companies don't like it when you go over the heads of middle and upper management to the big boss
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 20:16:21 GMT -5
A few people have repeated "The worst he can say is no!"
No.
The worst that can happen is you get fired. Slightly above that is "Vince can now think you're an idiot and you get put in the doghouse." These things happen all the time.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 20, 2014 20:25:30 GMT -5
But if JTG were to say something wrong, he could be out the door in an instant. I'm pretty sure that Vince doesn't even know he's still employed. True story JTG was actually fired in 2010 but due to a computer glitch he still gets a paycheck.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Feb 20, 2014 20:26:10 GMT -5
From what I've read reading various books by Bret, Jericho, Austin, Foley, sometimes you gotta call Vince on his bs and call him an idiot.
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Post by goodbyehorses on Feb 20, 2014 20:27:16 GMT -5
Boris Zhukov and Mike Shaw.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 20, 2014 20:35:23 GMT -5
Because tehey're afraid if they do any little thing that might tick Vince off then they are toast in WWE. Isn't that right, Paul? I don't remember him ever being punished publicly for that... hell they wrote it into the story with listing London as a possible suspect and THEN made fun of it on TV the second time they did the Vince getting into a limo... If they thought it was a fireable offense they wouldn't have waited over a year to do it.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 20, 2014 20:38:31 GMT -5
I have a feeling that Vince had to go get a restraining order on Ryder if what Cena said is true. I have a feeling he'd never leave Vince alone. I think there's a difference with whining on Twitter about your tv time like a little girl or making snide comments in interviews, and growing a pair and talking to Vince respectably like a man. Also, I can't even remember the last time they fired a guy just because they talking to Vince about an idea for his character, or them ever firing a guy because of that. Didn't Bret suggest a guy to talk to Vince and then the guy immediately got fired?
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Post by Mesousa287793 on Feb 20, 2014 20:41:02 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, wasn't this done often in the Attitude Era?
Or, in Naked Mideon's case, by accident?
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 20, 2014 20:47:38 GMT -5
It also is probably hard to even get a chance to speak with him, he is a very busy guy. On the contrary, it's likely not that hard- for comparison on the "Cena vs. JTG" question- Daivari (who was always a lower-level guy) had said in shoots that even if people in the middle of the totem pole were hard to make time with, Stephanie and Vince's doors were always open if you wanted to meet with them.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 20, 2014 20:50:17 GMT -5
Because tehey're afraid if they do any little thing that might tick Vince off then they are toast in WWE. Isn't that right, Paul? I don't remember him ever being punished publicly for that... hell they wrote it into the story with listing London as a possible suspect and THEN made fun of it on TV the second time they did the Vince getting into a limo... If they thought it was a fireable offense they wouldn't have waited over a year to do it. Dude, just because London didn't join the kiss my ass club and get future endeavored right after it doesn't mean it didn't have some impact of his career.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 20, 2014 20:55:49 GMT -5
I don't remember him ever being punished publicly for that... hell they wrote it into the story with listing London as a possible suspect and THEN made fun of it on TV the second time they did the Vince getting into a limo... If they thought it was a fireable offense they wouldn't have waited over a year to do it. Dude, just because London didn't join the kiss my ass club and get future endeavored right after it doesn't mean it didn't have some impact of his career. people on this message board have made London smiling out to be a whole hell of a lot bigger than what it actually was
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 20, 2014 21:13:26 GMT -5
From what I've read reading various books by Bret, Jericho, Austin, Foley, sometimes you gotta call Vince on his bs and call him an idiot. This. Vince is an alpha male and has no respect for people who just go along to get along. He respects other alpha males, especially those he thinks have passion for what they do. As Jericho & Edge said on Jericho's podcast, in WWE, you have to be stubborn, persistent and a bit of an asshole to succeed. No one ever got anywhere in life by just being blindly obedient.
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Post by anticonscience on Feb 20, 2014 21:17:59 GMT -5
I have a feeling that Vince had to go get a restraining order on Ryder if what Cena said is true. I have a feeling he'd never leave Vince alone. I think there's a difference with whining on Twitter about your tv time like a little girl or making snide comments in interviews, and growing a pair and talking to Vince respectably like a man. Also, I can't even remember the last time they fired a guy just because they talking to Vince about an idea for his character, or them ever firing a guy because of that. No, I was just imagining Zack following a disinterested Vince around backstage, talking his ear off.
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Post by angryfan on Feb 20, 2014 21:24:37 GMT -5
From what I've read reading various books by Bret, Jericho, Austin, Foley, sometimes you gotta call Vince on his bs and call him an idiot. This. Vince is an alpha male and has no respect for people who just go along to get along. He respects other alpha males, especially those he thinks have passion for what they do. As Jericho & Edge said on Jericho's podcast, in WWE, you have to be stubborn, persistent and a bit of an asshole to succeed. No one ever got anywhere in life by just being blindly obedient. You're on to something, but there's also the pack leader mentality. Vince is an alpha male, but it's more like a lion than a wolf. It's not just "I'm strong, I'm tough, I'll get in your face", because were that the case his public behaviors relating to competitors would not be what they have been. When a lion takes over a pride, and becomes the alpha, he kills the lioness and the former alpha's cubs just because he wants everything to be HIS. THIS is Vince's behavior pattern in business, and it stands to reason that an alpha male who has found success with a behavior will incorporate that in all aspects of his life rather than have differing approaches. Yes, the guys who "get in his face" are able to "get what they want" (Jericho had success with it, Cena says that works for him) but let's look at it using the animal behavior theory. Jericho was not "his" and as such Jericho was "given what he wanted" as a sign of respect, but also "put in his place" repeatedly. Cena was Vince's creation, in so much as he found a raw kid, and then "gave his blessing" to a gimmick that took off. THese fit with Vine's pattern. SOmebody coming to him and saying "Hey VInce..." that Vicne doesn't either feel a connection with or havine leverage on like he did with Jericho (where he will make money, and also be able to assert control, a double win), will have far more negative consequences than potential positive outcomes.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Feb 21, 2014 13:59:19 GMT -5
While I understand the fear of saying the wrong thing and being punished for it, I don't think Vince & company would personally punish someone for pitching an idea. As long as you go in acting respectable and mention your idea, I'm sure it'd at least be met with acknowledgement. For example, if someone like Zack Ryder went to Vince with a suggestion for his character or an angle and talked to him respectfully ("Hey Vince, I had this idea I'd like to run by you...). However, going in with a chip on your shoulder and a big head, basically demanding you get a better position, will be met with disastrous results. That only seems to flow with the big boys.
This is just me making an observation. I've obviously never worked for Vince, so I can only go by what those who have worked for him have stated.
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