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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 23:14:55 GMT -5
The thread title alone tells the story.
If you're two-whatever, three-whatever and see you need help and are willing to work with people, cool, let's dance.
If you're six hundred plus, it's already over. You've lost. Keep crushing junk food all day like you want so we can free up the considerable amount of you occupy.
No sympathy for these behomoths. None.
Equate it to drugs or alcohol: If someone falls upon hard times and chooses to hide at the bottom of a bottle or whatever, maybe we can help them.
If they take the next step and look to where they're exploiting the charity of friends and family or perhaps turn to crime to support this lifestyle, should they still draw pity?
At some point, these gluttons aren't just people that live their lives and choose to eat big, they're bed ridden wastes that can't even secure any of this food themselves. They manipulate their "support systems" just so they can be fat pigs. They're not human. They deserve nothing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 5, 2014 4:30:51 GMT -5
I saw something like this recently where a 600 pound woman was trying to lose weight, and she actually succeeded and lost nearly half her bodyweight and was making good progress when the show ended. Unfortunately her asshole of a husband didn't help by constantly mocking her for dieting. He had some sort of "fat fetish" and actually angry and upset that his morbidly obese wife, who was losing weight to make sure she didn't leave their daughter without a mother, was improving her health. I wanted to kick his head in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 6:26:55 GMT -5
I saw something like this recently where a 600 pound woman was trying to lose weight, and she actually succeeded and lost nearly half her bodyweight and was making good progress when the show ended. Unfortunately her asshole of a husband didn't help by constantly mocking her for dieting. He had some sort of "fat fetish" and actually angry and upset that his morbidly obese wife, who was losing weight to make sure she didn't leave their daughter without a mother, was improving her health. I wanted to kick his head in. That episode was tremendous. That dude was a straight up ass. After she got the surgery and started to lose weight the dude would go to the drive thru, order something and try to get her to eat it. Another time after she started working out at the gym he said something like: "you want some exercise? Grab the vacuum."
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Mar 5, 2014 9:30:15 GMT -5
As someone who weighs in the vicinity of 600-pounds, I am trying to take offense to some of the comments here, but I can't. Unlike a lot of super obese people, I know why I am the size I am, and I know what I need to do, and am trying to do, to change it. Also being 6'4", I carry my weight a lot better than someone like in the video in the OP. While I haven't taken the step of seeking out professional help, I am a self-diagnosed food addict. Fast food in particular. I can't get enough, often ordering enough for two people. Honestly, its not something you can just "get over." It is a mindset that you're stuck in. Often times, my entire day revolves around food. Where can I go to get the next meal? How can I get it without my wife finding out? Because I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'd have a hard time saying whether its the same type of addiction, but it seems like its very similar, when its treated like that, with sneaking food, hoping people don't find out, etc.
I'm not fishing for sympathy, and if someone thinks I should just waste away and stop taking up their valuable space on this earth, then fine, I can't change that sentiment. I guess my point is, not everyone who is overweight/obese/super f***ing huge (such as myself) is beyond help or trying.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Mar 5, 2014 9:45:42 GMT -5
I saw something like this recently where a 600 pound woman was trying to lose weight, and she actually succeeded and lost nearly half her bodyweight and was making good progress when the show ended. Unfortunately her asshole of a husband didn't help by constantly mocking her for dieting. He had some sort of "fat fetish" and actually angry and upset that his morbidly obese wife, who was losing weight to make sure she didn't leave their daughter without a mother, was improving her health. I wanted to kick his head in. That woman lives here in San Antonio. Which isn't surprising, considering all the morbidly obese women who are here. She met her husband on some cruise or something for guys with fat woman fetishes. She should probably consider divorcing him. There was one scene where her daughter asked, "Why did you marry him?" The woman says, "If I didn't, then I wouldn't have you." The daughter responds with, "It's not worth it." You would think that the husband would get the hint.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Mar 5, 2014 9:48:56 GMT -5
About the show: My wife and I watch it all the time, mostly out of morbid curiosity. While it's great to see the people who actually follow the doctor's orders and lose weight, I have zero sympathy for the fatties who weigh so much, only to disobey the directives given to them and not see any progress. The medical staff is nice enough to give them surgery; the least they can do is be compliant.
It blows my mind how someone can let themselves get so big, particularly those who weigh 1,000 lbs. It's disgusting. As someone who lost 50 lbs. in high school and busted my ass to do so, I cringe whenever I see stuff like this.
And don't even get me started on people who consider morbid obesity to be a 'disease'. Bullshit. Cancer is a disease. You don't ask for it, but it just happens. With obesity, you bring it on yourself, much like with drug addiction. It makes me sick to hear people consider obesity a 'disease'.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 5, 2014 11:30:43 GMT -5
Anybody can loss weight if you do even the simple things as changing what you eat. if all you eat is fast food and lots of it. Yes you are going to gain it. Cut it out and that long you will loss weight as long as what you eat instead is healthier. Home cooked meals are always going to in the long run be cheaper and healthier because you yourself know whats in it. Overweight people like how big shows little respect for themselves and the people around her seem to only feed that instead of helping it.
I lost a lot of weight but cutting back how much I eat per meal and teaching myself how to cook a meal. Eating out maybe once a week if that. At lunch at work I've always brought my lunch which it heather and cheaper. How much money you save when for me at the most about a 120 bucks a month for groceries. As a single guy who shops at places like Aldi for food you money goes farther. Knowing what you can make that you have enough leftover to make additional meal out of it by freezing it or having it for lunch or dinner later in the week.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Mar 5, 2014 12:32:07 GMT -5
I can't fathom how someone gets to 600 pounds. I was heavy for a lot of my life. I once weighed 290 pounds. (I'm 5'8, so I am not exactly tall) and I knew at that point I needed to make serious changes. I just have no idea how a person can get to 300 pounds, 400 pounds, 500 pounds and not realize they're in massive amounts of trouble. I feel bad for this woman because clearly her family are nothing but a bunch of enablers, but damn.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 5, 2014 12:54:26 GMT -5
As someone who weighs in the vicinity of 600-pounds, I am trying to take offense to some of the comments here, but I can't. Unlike a lot of super obese people, I know why I am the size I am, and I know what I need to do, and am trying to do, to change it. Also being 6'4", I carry my weight a lot better than someone like in the video in the OP. While I haven't taken the step of seeking out professional help, I am a self-diagnosed food addict. Fast food in particular. I can't get enough, often ordering enough for two people. Honestly, its not something you can just "get over." It is a mindset that you're stuck in. Often times, my entire day revolves around food. Where can I go to get the next meal? How can I get it without my wife finding out? Because I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'd have a hard time saying whether its the same type of addiction, but it seems like its very similar, when its treated like that, with sneaking food, hoping people don't find out, etc. I'm not fishing for sympathy, and if someone thinks I should just waste away and stop taking up their valuable space on this earth, then fine, I can't change that sentiment. I guess my point is, not everyone who is overweight/obese/super f***ing huge (such as myself) is beyond help or trying. Kudos to you for recognizing the problem and at least trying to get a grip on it. You are not b******* and moaning, you are owning it and by extension owning your life. I appreciate the food addiction aspect; eating is a pleasurable activity and it is easy to take pleasurable activities to excess, any sex maniac will tell you that. Believe it or not, something thst might help wean you off fast food is to start looking up recipes you may like online. I used to eat out far more than cook, but once I started finding things thst I actually wanted to try and could enjoy preparing I cut dune in eating out a lot.
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Post by Some Guy on Mar 5, 2014 12:57:18 GMT -5
My immediate reaction is that I want to see if Brock can F-5 her.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 5, 2014 13:43:52 GMT -5
23. That is what really gets me, that she's that young.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 5, 2014 13:48:49 GMT -5
As someone who weighs in the vicinity of 600-pounds, I am trying to take offense to some of the comments here, but I can't. Unlike a lot of super obese people, I know why I am the size I am, and I know what I need to do, and am trying to do, to change it. Also being 6'4", I carry my weight a lot better than someone like in the video in the OP. While I haven't taken the step of seeking out professional help, I am a self-diagnosed food addict. Fast food in particular. I can't get enough, often ordering enough for two people. Honestly, its not something you can just "get over." It is a mindset that you're stuck in. Often times, my entire day revolves around food. Where can I go to get the next meal? How can I get it without my wife finding out? Because I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'd have a hard time saying whether its the same type of addiction, but it seems like its very similar, when its treated like that, with sneaking food, hoping people don't find out, etc. I'm not fishing for sympathy, and if someone thinks I should just waste away and stop taking up their valuable space on this earth, then fine, I can't change that sentiment. I guess my point is, not everyone who is overweight/obese/super f***ing huge (such as myself) is beyond help or trying. No one is beyond trying, but I do think that like any addiction, the person has to accept that they have a problem and be willing to make sacrifices. It sounds like you are more aware of yourself and what it will take to change than she comes across as.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Mar 5, 2014 15:03:59 GMT -5
As someone who weighs in the vicinity of 600-pounds, I am trying to take offense to some of the comments here, but I can't. Unlike a lot of super obese people, I know why I am the size I am, and I know what I need to do, and am trying to do, to change it. Also being 6'4", I carry my weight a lot better than someone like in the video in the OP. While I haven't taken the step of seeking out professional help, I am a self-diagnosed food addict. Fast food in particular. I can't get enough, often ordering enough for two people. Honestly, its not something you can just "get over." It is a mindset that you're stuck in. Often times, my entire day revolves around food. Where can I go to get the next meal? How can I get it without my wife finding out? Because I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'd have a hard time saying whether its the same type of addiction, but it seems like its very similar, when its treated like that, with sneaking food, hoping people don't find out, etc. I'm not fishing for sympathy, and if someone thinks I should just waste away and stop taking up their valuable space on this earth, then fine, I can't change that sentiment. I guess my point is, not everyone who is overweight/obese/super f***ing huge (such as myself) is beyond help or trying. No one is beyond trying, but I do think that like any addiction, the person has to accept that they have a problem and be willing to make sacrifices. It sounds like you are more aware of yourself and what it will take to change than she comes across as. One thing that helped me lose weight in high school (I was 220 lbs as a 15 year old- not super obese, but still obese) was looking around me and seeing how much fun everyone else in life was having. I wanted that kind of life too. It was very motivating, and all of a sudden all those Big Macs were no longer appealing. I know that food is a stronger addiction for you than for some other people, but at least you're not like the girl in the video. You actually want to take the steps to lose weight, and for that I applaud you. You just have to find something to motivate yourself with aside from food.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 5, 2014 17:01:42 GMT -5
More cushion for the pushin'
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 5, 2014 17:34:16 GMT -5
I feel sorry for her, but not as sorry as I do for the people who have so little going on in their lives that they go on internet forums and bitch about how fat people aren't human and deserve no sympathy. She's overweight but at least she's not an asshole.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 5, 2014 18:04:34 GMT -5
And here we have a thread that can be used as Evidence 1-A in the case of "Why shaming doesn't work".
You don't shame somebody out of an addiction. You don't shame somebody into knowing something they've been brought up to be ignorant about (e.g. what actual nutrition is and what constitutes healthy eating habits). You don't shame somebody into action, because it almost never works.
For a long time I wrestled with weight and body issues; I was never super heavy (I'm 5'11'' or so and weighed around 250 pounds a handful of years ago; I'm a pretty broad chested guy so it didn't look totally out of place), but I grew up as one of the "chubby kids" in school, and through elementary school took tons of grief for it, even basically being shamed about it during a health check up every kid went to at the school. It shattered aspects of my self esteem going forward; I had the confidence to play music, sing, act, perform well in school, make friends, etc., but my ability to see myself, say, as somebody that a girl would find attractive was REALLY hurt. It made it hard for me to adopt healthy changes in my lifestyle, because I had a "what's the use?" mentality.
Fast forward a ways, and I'm down around 200 pounds and living much healthier, able to see myself as attractive...sometimes. Next thing I know, I'll find my mind wandering into seeing my body as gross, flawed, and wrong, even feeling weird about my girlfriend seeing me without clothes on. I've lost 50 pounds, and there are times when I'm very proud of it, but there are just as many times when I think "This still isn't right, there's still something wrong with me".
That never, ever left, and it's a paralyzing feeling. It hurts and slows your attempts to make better choices or sacrifices that will benefit you in the long run, because your brain yells out "it won't be worth it". I like to think that maybe things would work better with me (and believe, things are MUCH better than they used to be) if I hadn't been made to conflate "fat" with "bad", "weak", "undisciplined", or whatever, and instead could've simply been guided in a healthy direction when it came to life choices. Unfortunately, that's not how we tend to treat people with almost any addiction, let alone a food addiction. Such things weren't what got me to change when I started making shifts in my lifestyle, and they rarely are for anybody else.
This girl is obviously an extreme case, but it also seems clear that she's an addict who's been brought up to see her diet as normal. "Sympathy" or whatever shouldn't even enter the discussion with her; it's not about that. It's about recognizing mental illness (in this case, addiction) when you see it, and trying to help, even if the help takes a ton of tries to take. Addiction is one of the single toughest obstacles a human being can face, especially when many attempts to "wisen you up" about it involves shaming you. It seems clear she's been brought up in such a way that these extremes are normal, and such conditioning takes a Herculean effort to shake off.
Put bluntly: save the judgment and "I have no sympathy" crap for when you know a person and the life they've been brought up in. Nobody's impressed.
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Post by Raskovnik on Mar 5, 2014 18:23:11 GMT -5
I mean, it's beyond me how something like this can even happen but I am not going to be like "SHE AIN'T HUMAN!" and take it personally for some bizarre reason that someone is that big. That's really f***ing dorky, for lack of a better word. I hope she gets the help she needs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 20:52:46 GMT -5
Hey, HMARK Center - awesome, awesome post. I wish I could reply to every fat-shaming post on the entire internet with it, seriously. It blows my mind how someone can allow themselves to get THAT big. I very rarely eat 1,000 calories in a day, so I can't imagine eating 7,000. I mean, don't get me wrong, junk food is great. But it seems to me like living would be a bit more tempting. I always wonder how they can afford such a lifestyle. Being that overweight it's not likely they have a good paying job. Is Fast Food really cheap in the States or something? Yep. That's the reason obesity is such a problem here. Fast food is cheap and in huge portions, and healthy food is, comparatively speaking, pretty expensive. That double whopper combo you mentioned is about $4 or $5 tops, here. For the $12 it costs there, a person here could buy enough to cook one very small, but healthy meal at home, or they could buy two large size pizzas and a 2 liter bottle of soda at Little Caesar's. At Taco Bell, for instance, you can get a large drink, crunchwrap, burrito supreme, and regular taco together in a box for $5.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Mar 5, 2014 22:00:50 GMT -5
As someone who weighs in the vicinity of 600-pounds, I am trying to take offense to some of the comments here, but I can't. Unlike a lot of super obese people, I know why I am the size I am, and I know what I need to do, and am trying to do, to change it. Also being 6'4", I carry my weight a lot better than someone like in the video in the OP. While I haven't taken the step of seeking out professional help, I am a self-diagnosed food addict. Fast food in particular. I can't get enough, often ordering enough for two people. Honestly, its not something you can just "get over." It is a mindset that you're stuck in. Often times, my entire day revolves around food. Where can I go to get the next meal? How can I get it without my wife finding out? Because I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol, I'd have a hard time saying whether its the same type of addiction, but it seems like its very similar, when its treated like that, with sneaking food, hoping people don't find out, etc. I'm not fishing for sympathy, and if someone thinks I should just waste away and stop taking up their valuable space on this earth, then fine, I can't change that sentiment. I guess my point is, not everyone who is overweight/obese/super f***ing huge (such as myself) is beyond help or trying. Kudos to you for recognizing the problem and at least trying to get a grip on it. You are not b******* and moaning, you are owning it and by extension owning your life. I appreciate the food addiction aspect; eating is a pleasurable activity and it is easy to take pleasurable activities to excess, any sex maniac will tell you that. Believe it or not, something thst might help wean you off fast food is to start looking up recipes you may like online. I used to eat out far more than cook, but once I started finding things thst I actually wanted to try and could enjoy preparing I cut dune in eating out a lot. My wife and I received a Vitamix for Christmas from her parents. We've been using it a ton, for juicing, veggie and fruit shakes, and making healthy soups and sides. We f***ing love it. I know this sounds like a commercial for the thing, but it makes food prep so easy, as well as cleanup. And it has greatly reduced our eating out. In the two months since Christmas, we've gone out to eat maybe 3 times. Twice for dinner and once on a lunch double date. This is a huge improvement over the once a week we were doing previously. Back on topic, the best thing they can do is get that girl away from her family and properly educate both her and the family.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 5, 2014 23:38:43 GMT -5
Kudos to you for recognizing the problem and at least trying to get a grip on it. You are not b******* and moaning, you are owning it and by extension owning your life. I appreciate the food addiction aspect; eating is a pleasurable activity and it is easy to take pleasurable activities to excess, any sex maniac will tell you that. Believe it or not, something thst might help wean you off fast food is to start looking up recipes you may like online. I used to eat out far more than cook, but once I started finding things thst I actually wanted to try and could enjoy preparing I cut dune in eating out a lot. My wife and I received a Vitamix for Christmas from her parents. We've been using it a ton, for juicing, veggie and fruit shakes, and making healthy soups and sides. We f***ing love it. I know this sounds like a commercial for the thing, but it makes food prep so easy, as well as cleanup. And it has greatly reduced our eating out. In the two months since Christmas, we've gone out to eat maybe 3 times. Twice for dinner and once on a lunch double date. This is a huge improvement over the once a week we were doing previously. Back on topic, the best thing they can do is get that girl away from her family and properly educate both her and the family. I've got a Breville juicer. Had a Jack LaLanne juicer for years but rarely used it because, frankly, it was a pain in the ass to clean up after. The Breville requires the same assembly, but for some reason it is easier to clean up. I think maybe it is made of higher grade plastic; the pulp and juice literally just washes off under the water tap so all I have to do is a little scrubbing. I also got a portable grill from my father for Xmas a year ago, and have enjoyed using it to grill up all kinds of stuff.
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