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Post by Surfer Sandman on Apr 30, 2014 13:56:00 GMT -5
It's not sarcasm.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2014 16:28:39 GMT -5
f*** Jenny McCarthy. I may have to masturbate to her. But I don't have to like it, damn it. Just hurl angry epithets at her while ya do.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 30, 2014 20:13:05 GMT -5
Reminds of parents who spend time and energy trying to "fix" hearing loss in kids with cochlear implants, speech therapy and oral education. It's really quite an unhealthy approach to the situation. Your kid is NOT broken. They are fine the way they are. Stop trying to "fix" them! Is this post sarcastic, or is there a seedy underbelly to cochlear implants and speech therapy I don't know about? Cochlear implants have a few inherent dangers with them. They are not perfect, and there's always the danger of infections among other things, not to mention that it's some really invasive surgery. They also have different results on people. Considering how you really don't need your sense of hearing, there's a very fair argument to be made about just skipping the surgery and learning ASL. If the child is born deaf(or close to it) then the surgery is often seen as less beneficial to the child and more to the parents, who want to have a "normal" child. I think it's not a black and white issue in that some older children may be more comfortable with the surgery, but there's definitely a strong argument against the implant. There's also the argument that cochlear implants harm deaf culture, but personally my big issue against them is just that the surgery is just too invasive and has too many issues. If a better alternative comes up in the future I'd be all for it. No idea about the speech therapy point - I went through speech therapy as a kid for a reason unrelated to hearing and I loved it. Though if it's speech therapy in relation to learning spoken language after a cochlear implants, I kind of understand why it would be painful, yeah.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2014 20:18:51 GMT -5
That's interesting about cochlear implants, I wasn't aware of that part of it. Still, one would assume, as technology improves, they will as well, and any risk goes down.
To equate that with vaccinations seems a bit silly though, as clearly for the most part things like the implants, speech therapy and the like are an effort to improve a child's quality of life that has a scientific basis, rather than the dangers of non-vaccination.
Improving someone's quality of life and helping them to do things anyone else can do isn't trying to 'fix' a kid anymore than me wearing contacts and glasses so I can actually see much better is trying to 'fix' me.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 30, 2014 20:19:40 GMT -5
Is this post sarcastic, or is there a seedy underbelly to cochlear implants and speech therapy I don't know about? Cochlear implants have a few inherent dangers with them. They are not perfect, and there's always the danger of infections among other things, not to mention that it's some really invasive surgery. They also have different results on people. Considering how you really don't need your sense of hearing, there's a very fair argument to be made about just skipping the surgery and learning ASL. If the child is born deaf(or close to it) then the surgery is often seen as less beneficial to the child and more to the parents, who want to have a "normal" child. I think it's not a black and white issue in that some older children may be more comfortable with the surgery, but there's definitely a strong argument against the implant. There's also the argument that cochlear implants harm deaf culture, but personally my big issue against them is just that the surgery is just too invasive and has too many issues. If a better alternative comes up in the future I'd be all for it. No idea about the speech therapy point - I went through speech therapy as a kid for a reason unrelated to hearing and I loved it. Though if it's speech therapy in relation to learning spoken language after a cochlear implants, I kind of understand why it would be painful, yeah. Interesting. Random question just based on a handful of experiences that I'm certain don't reflect the community as a whole but I'm asking anyway because internet, are there any studies where cochlear implants are linked to behavioral problems in children?
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Post by chazraps on Apr 30, 2014 20:26:40 GMT -5
Is this post sarcastic, or is there a seedy underbelly to cochlear implants and speech therapy I don't know about? Cochlear implants have a few inherent dangers with them. They are not perfect, and there's always the danger of infections among other things, not to mention that it's some really invasive surgery. They also have different results on people. Considering how you really don't need your sense of hearing, there's a very fair argument to be made about just skipping the surgery and learning ASL. If the child is born deaf(or close to it) then the surgery is often seen as less beneficial to the child and more to the parents, who want to have a "normal" child. I think it's not a black and white issue in that some older children may be more comfortable with the surgery, but there's definitely a strong argument against the implant. There's also the argument that cochlear implants harm deaf culture, but personally my big issue against them is just that the surgery is just too invasive and has too many issues. If a better alternative comes up in the future I'd be all for it. No idea about the speech therapy point - I went through speech therapy as a kid for a reason unrelated to hearing and I loved it. Though if it's speech therapy in relation to learning spoken language after a cochlear implants, I kind of understand why it would be painful, yeah. Also, while we're on the subject, has anyone with a cochlear implant and grown up with one ever complained about them or spoken out against them?
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 30, 2014 20:33:59 GMT -5
That's interesting about cochlear implants, I wasn't aware of that part of it. Still, one would assume, as technology improves, they will as well, and any risk goes down. To equate that with vaccinations seems a bit silly though, as clearly for the most part things like the implants, speech therapy and the like are an effort to improve a child's quality of life that has a scientific basis, rather than the dangers of non-vaccination. Improving someone's quality of life and helping them to do things anyone else can do isn't trying to 'fix' a kid anymore than me wearing contacts and glasses so I can actually see much better is trying to 'fix' me. Oh yeah, I agree that it's not even close to the same thing as vaccines. If nothing else, there's a lot of a grey area here in terms of everything. The big thing is that it's tricky to calculate if it's going to be better for the child to just not have the implants or to go ahead with the surgery. I'd hope that technology improved in that regard too though, yeah. That would be ideal. The worst thing is that even though ideally a child should be old enough to make a choice about whether to get the surgery or not, results are better if the child is younger which makes the whole thing even more complicated. The whole thing kind of sucks in that regard, the best thing would be if a much less expensive/invasive alternative came up, but yeah. Cochlear implants have a few inherent dangers with them. They are not perfect, and there's always the danger of infections among other things, not to mention that it's some really invasive surgery. They also have different results on people. Considering how you really don't need your sense of hearing, there's a very fair argument to be made about just skipping the surgery and learning ASL. If the child is born deaf(or close to it) then the surgery is often seen as less beneficial to the child and more to the parents, who want to have a "normal" child. I think it's not a black and white issue in that some older children may be more comfortable with the surgery, but there's definitely a strong argument against the implant. There's also the argument that cochlear implants harm deaf culture, but personally my big issue against them is just that the surgery is just too invasive and has too many issues. If a better alternative comes up in the future I'd be all for it. No idea about the speech therapy point - I went through speech therapy as a kid for a reason unrelated to hearing and I loved it. Though if it's speech therapy in relation to learning spoken language after a cochlear implants, I kind of understand why it would be painful, yeah. Interesting. Random question just based on a handful of experiences that I'm certain don't reflect the community as a whole but I'm asking anyway because internet, are there any studies where cochlear implants are linked to behavioral problems in children? I'll be honest - I'm not up to date on those studies. My experience with deaf culture is kind of limited to one friend who is nearly deaf(not sure if he's legally deaf or what that definition even is, but he speaks mostly through sign language if he can) and the people I met at the aforementioned speech therapy place. I think I recall hearing that there were studies that went against the idea that behavioral problems were linked to language development. But I'm not even sure of that much. Also, while we're on the subject, has anyone with a cochlear implant and grown up with one ever complained about them or spoken out against them? I can't tell you that since I don't know that much about implants in general - but probably not, if only for the reason that if someone managed to grow up with one, then it obviously worked for them, and they wouldn't have used them their entire adult life without liking them. I imagine there are a lot of people who had mixed results due to the nature of the surgery who were against it though. I can't tell you the exact data on the dangers/success rates off the top of my head, most I can say is that I understand the idea behind the concern of it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2014 20:36:12 GMT -5
Agreed on the what ifs, it just seems to me that it's an area that can't help but improve as the tech gets better/less expensive.
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Jun 12, 2014 6:02:44 GMT -5
And now, folks, it's time for "Who do you trust!" Hubba, hubba, hubba!
a lady who used to get her boobs out or Science.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 12, 2014 7:15:40 GMT -5
I feel sorry for her son. This is from her Wiki article... "McCarthy tried a gluten-free and casein-free diet, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, chelation, aromatherapies, electromagnetics, spoons rubbed on his body, multivitamin therapy, B-12 shots and numerous prescription drugs. "Try everything," she advises parents, "It was amazing to watch, over the course of doing this, how certain therapies work for certain kids and they completely don't work for others ... When something didn't work for Evan, I didn't stop. I stopped that treatment, but I didn't stop."] McCarthy has stated on talk shows and at rallies that chelation therapy helped her son recover from autism. The underlying rationale for chelation, the speculation that mercury in vaccines causes autism, has been roundly rejected by scientific studies, with the National Institute of Mental Health concluding that children with autism are unlikely to receive any benefit to balance the risks of heart attack, stroke and cardiac arrest posed by the chelating agents used in the treatment" Instead of simply accepting that her son has autism and can still live a perfectly happy life, she's been using him as a laboratory for all manner of crazy treatments. Reminds of parents who spend time and energy trying to "fix" hearing loss in kids with cochlear implants, speech therapy and oral education. It's really quite an unhealthy approach to the situation. Your kid is NOT broken. They are fine the way they are. Stop trying to "fix" them! Er... what's wrong with wanting your kids to be able to communicate with the people around them without having to wait until they happen to find one person who understands sign language or having to constantly having a translator around? Like, I can sort of see the argument for the implants in some cases (and I do mean some because I know someone who has one and has never been happier), but how is the rest a bad thing how is it "unhealthy" when the alternative is to leave their handicap untreated and pretending it's not a big deal? That's the problem with the "you're fine the way you are" mentality: it seems to do nothing but discourage people from improving and encourage them to ignore problems and let them worsen while expecting the rest of the World to adapt to them and yes, losing your hearing and being unable to communicate with most people IS a problem. I'm not saying people should do it if they don't want to but you can't tell people they're wrong to try and improve their or their child's situation instead of apathetically accepting their lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 7:44:10 GMT -5
Reminds of parents who spend time and energy trying to "fix" hearing loss in kids with cochlear implants, speech therapy and oral education. It's really quite an unhealthy approach to the situation. Your kid is NOT broken. They are fine the way they are. Stop trying to "fix" them! Er... what's wrong with wanting your kids to be able to communicate with the people around them without having to wait until they happen to find one person who understands sign language or having to constantly having a translator around? Like, I can sort of see the argument for the implants in some cases (and I do mean some because I know someone who has one and has never been happier), but how is the rest a bad thing how is it "unhealthy" when the alternative is to leave their handicap untreated and pretending it's not a big deal? That's the problem with the "you're fine the way you are" mentality: it seems to do nothing but discourage people from improving and encourage them to ignore problems and let them worsen while expecting the rest of the World to adapt to them and yes, losing your hearing and being unable to communicate with most people IS a problem. I'm not saying people should do it if they don't want to but you can't tell people they're wrong to try and improve their or their child's situation instead of apathetically accepting their lot. A lot of deaf people are fine with being deaf and accept it as part of them. Similarly, the same goes for many on the autism spectrum.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 12, 2014 8:13:54 GMT -5
Two vastly different situations. Helping people with hearing problems with proven, verified and scientifically based treatments is fine.
McCarthy's problem is that to account for the condition her son has, she is prepared to spread false information which will harm children who have parents who believe in her shit.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Jun 12, 2014 8:27:17 GMT -5
Horrible person. Nice tits though.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 12, 2014 8:31:06 GMT -5
I hear she got cochlear implants all the time. Except she misspelled "coch".
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 12, 2014 8:45:28 GMT -5
Er... what's wrong with wanting your kids to be able to communicate with the people around them without having to wait until they happen to find one person who understands sign language or having to constantly having a translator around? Like, I can sort of see the argument for the implants in some cases (and I do mean some because I know someone who has one and has never been happier), but how is the rest a bad thing how is it "unhealthy" when the alternative is to leave their handicap untreated and pretending it's not a big deal? That's the problem with the "you're fine the way you are" mentality: it seems to do nothing but discourage people from improving and encourage them to ignore problems and let them worsen while expecting the rest of the World to adapt to them and yes, losing your hearing and being unable to communicate with most people IS a problem. I'm not saying people should do it if they don't want to but you can't tell people they're wrong to try and improve their or their child's situation instead of apathetically accepting their lot. A lot of deaf people are fine with being deaf and accept it as part of them. Similarly, the same goes for many on the autism spectrum. Which is why I said people shouldn't it if they don't want to. But to say it's "unhealthy" to think otherwise, to change something about yourself you don't like, to try and feel better in your own skin, is frankly despicable. What would you say if a guy went to someone who lost a limb and gave them shit for having a prosthetic one and learning how to walk or manipulate objects the way they used to or would prefer to?
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jun 12, 2014 8:47:34 GMT -5
Two vastly different situations. Helping people with hearing problems with proven, verified and scientifically based treatments is fine. McCarthy's problem is that to account for the condition her son has, she is prepared to spread false information which will harm children who have parents who believe in her shit. Plus the fact that she tells them to "try everything" while at the same time admitting that not all treatments work on everyone. Guess what, miss McCarthy? When a treatment doesn't work, it usually tends to make things worse.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jun 12, 2014 8:49:20 GMT -5
ITT, I found that it's bad for parents to take kids to see speech therapists or to get cochlear implants because it robs them of uniqueness. Good to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 11:28:42 GMT -5
A lot of deaf people are fine with being deaf and accept it as part of them. Similarly, the same goes for many on the autism spectrum. Which is why I said people shouldn't it if they don't want to. But to say it's "unhealthy" to think otherwise, to change something about yourself you don't like, to try and feel better in your own skin, is frankly despicable. What would you say if a guy went to someone who lost a limb and gave them shit for having a prosthetic one and learning how to walk or manipulate objects the way they used to or would prefer to? There are deaf kids who are forced to get cochlear implants by their parents without consent. There are autistic kids forced to go through quack "treatments" by their parents without consent. That's what I'm referring to.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jun 12, 2014 11:53:05 GMT -5
Wow, I don't know where my train of thought was at the time I put those two together. Obviously, they are far different things.
My apologies for derailing that train.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jan 31, 2015 14:26:04 GMT -5
Yep still a horrible person
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