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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 27, 2016 14:41:54 GMT -5
I won't rag on Cody for getting money wherever he can.
Can I rag on him for his ringwork being crazy mediocre since embarking on this indy trip? I really really hope NJPW doesn't fork over a Tokyo Dome spot to him.
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Post by vashondude on Nov 27, 2016 20:49:35 GMT -5
So, out of their 4 championships only the NEX*GEN title has had more than a single holder of the title and the last person to hold that one had it for a year. And it has changed hands twice. The first time it happened (Sonjay Dutt defeated PJ Black slightly over a month after Black had won it in a tournament), it was because Black was heading to Lucha Underground.
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Post by lizzurd on Nov 27, 2016 21:22:58 GMT -5
Global Force is a joke, but why the ragging on Cody? I just really miss Stardust. I personally can't wait for the day when he puts that glossy neoprene suit back on. I'm going to jump with joy. Cody may think he's never going to wear the suit and paint again, but he's definitely going to wear the suit and paint again. It's only a matter of time.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 28, 2016 11:21:11 GMT -5
Global Force is a joke, but why the ragging on Cody? He's a top indie guy who promoters are paying and giving titles too. You think Cody sits around reading forums to see if a promotion is a joke or not? He's just going on to the next town, like wrestlers did for decades. He's working Japan, ROH, Evolve, TNA, PWG. He may have looked at Jarretts website and been like "Whatever sure. I can make this work." The whole "he left Stardust to win GWF titles" is so disingenuous. I saw the same thing in the TNA forum. He left a dead gimmick in the WWE to travel the world and grow as a performer and wrestle for every single possible indie. The problem is more of the fact that some of the things he wanted to do weren't mutually beneficial to all parties. He had his dream match against Kurt Angle in front of drunk & obnoxious fans. He came to TNA just so his green as gourd wife could get a prominent role in a lackluster division & beat the company's top heel act clean on two occasions before leaving. And he now holds the belt of a worthless brand that only does tie-in acts with backyard feds & sells a shady gold scheme. I know we can be excessively hard at times but for a guy who wants to also work big New Japan & ROH shows, as well as Evolve or even Progress, these feel like bottom of the barrel choices. Don't forget wanting a match with the ALMIGHTY PAT BUCK. (If it were a shoot I'd consider it a worthy goal, but...)
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Post by Hōsuki the Poster on Nov 28, 2016 21:51:24 GMT -5
The problem is more of the fact that some of the things he wanted to do weren't mutually beneficial to all parties. He had his dream match against Kurt Angle in front of drunk & obnoxious fans. He came to TNA just so his green as gourd wife could get a prominent role in a lackluster division & beat the company's top heel act clean on two occasions before leaving. And he now holds the belt of a worthless brand that only does tie-in acts with backyard feds & sells a shady gold scheme. I know we can be excessively hard at times but for a guy who wants to also work big New Japan & ROH shows, as well as Evolve or even Progress, these feel like bottom of the barrel choices. Don't forget wanting a match with the ALMIGHTY PAT BUCK. (If it were a shoot I'd consider it a worthy goal, but...) Wasn't Pat Buck someone from Cody's early career that he wanted to give back to or something like that?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 28, 2016 22:42:02 GMT -5
In defense of his post-WWE career, Cody is hardly the only guy with prospects in major indies who gets a title in a third rung promotion or even a really obscure promotion nobody outside of the area has heard of before. You can find plenty for guys like AJ, Bryan, Owens, Rollins, Gargano... The big test for Cody is still not what he does while he flirts with going everywhere and working for everyone, it's going to be in early 2017 when we see if he manages to actually lock himself down somewhere good and start to make a name for himself as a featured, regular talent in a major promotion. If he can get a contract with Ring of Honor and New Japan once he's done sleeping around, then he has the leg up to not just be another Aron Rex. If, four months from now, he's still just a guy and this is the most worthwhile thing he's had a whiff of then yeah he's a bust. But if he's got something going for him then this is a slightly more publicized version of AJ Styles winning the Family Wrestling Entertainment Heavyweight Championship.
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Post by James Fabiano on Nov 29, 2016 19:22:02 GMT -5
Don't forget wanting a match with the ALMIGHTY PAT BUCK. (If it were a shoot I'd consider it a worthy goal, but...) Wasn't Pat Buck someone from Cody's early career that he wanted to give back to or something like that? He should be the one giving back, to lots of people. But that's another story...
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 1, 2016 0:51:29 GMT -5
I want Cody to win enough belts to do the Ultimo Dragon picture, but all of them are garbage titles nobody gives a shit about.
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Post by jakes on Dec 1, 2016 2:47:10 GMT -5
To me the question regarding Cody is not so much about whether he has blow away matches outside of WWE. The question is has Cody actually proven that WWE was wrong for how they viewed him and where they slotted him on the card? Has he proven that he did indeed belong at a main event level and that WWE dropped the ball with him?
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Post by lizzurd on Dec 1, 2016 4:51:43 GMT -5
So far he's proven that he doesn't have main event level fashion tastes. Dude needs to get himself a new tailor ASAP. Did he choose that shade of green because it looks similar to the shade of green Link wears in the Zelda games?
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 1, 2016 5:02:56 GMT -5
I want Cody to win enough belts to do the Ultimo Dragon picture, but all of them are garbage titles nobody gives a shit about. I'm willing to bet there are talks happening between Cody and Tharpe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 15:58:37 GMT -5
The problem is more of the fact that some of the things he wanted to do weren't mutually beneficial to all parties. He had his dream match against Kurt Angle in front of drunk & obnoxious fans. He came to TNA just so his green as gourd wife could get a prominent role in a lackluster division & beat the company's top heel act clean on two occasions before leaving. And he now holds the belt of a worthless brand that only does tie-in acts with backyard feds & sells a shady gold scheme. I know we can be excessively hard at times but for a guy who wants to also work big New Japan & ROH shows, as well as Evolve or even Progress, these feel like bottom of the barrel choices. While I think the Angle/Rhodes match wasn't a bad idea and drew fairly well, I definitely agree with the other two. Also, what kind of impression will those choices give to the promoters of those mentioned organizations? To me, it seems like Rhodes is being a mark for himself, at the same time it doesn't seem like he is bringing in large returns. The WCPW crowd was decent, but that card was stacked. I doubt Rhodes brought more than a extra couple of hundred to GFW. I know he is booked for a one off in ROH, but it would probably be in his best interest to work there and Japan if he wants to keep making money. I'm betting the one-offs are paying well now, but they will have diminishing returns and eventually won't pay squat. The real question is what is the end game? Well, in the Cody/Black Bolt thread, he said that he's moved out to Los Angeles and sounds like he wants to start pursuing some acting jobs. So I would imagine he'd ultimately like a mix of one-off/short term wrestling dates and some acting work. He probably gets that it's easier for him right now to get wrestling work (if he pursued acting full time, he'd probably have a LOT of umemployed time with zero money coming in), but he doesn't want to sign more significant deals that'd limit any acting work he could get...
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Post by corndog on Dec 1, 2016 16:18:08 GMT -5
While I think the Angle/Rhodes match wasn't a bad idea and drew fairly well, I definitely agree with the other two. Also, what kind of impression will those choices give to the promoters of those mentioned organizations? To me, it seems like Rhodes is being a mark for himself, at the same time it doesn't seem like he is bringing in large returns. The WCPW crowd was decent, but that card was stacked. I doubt Rhodes brought more than a extra couple of hundred to GFW. I know he is booked for a one off in ROH, but it would probably be in his best interest to work there and Japan if he wants to keep making money. I'm betting the one-offs are paying well now, but they will have diminishing returns and eventually won't pay squat. The real question is what is the end game? Well, in the Cody/Black Bolt thread, he said that he's moved out to Los Angeles and sounds like he wants to start pursuing some acting jobs. So I would imagine he'd ultimately like a mix of one-off/short term wrestling dates and some acting work. He probably gets that it's easier for him right now to get wrestling work (if he pursued acting full time, he'd probably have a LOT of umemployed time with zero money coming in), but he doesn't want to sign more significant deals that'd limit any acting work he could get... If he actually gets some acting gigs then this completely makes sense, but he has to get the jobs first. Also, it would keep his value up to be able to continue to do so, instead of "I'm an ex-WWE wrestler, so pay me and give me belts".
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 1, 2016 22:02:12 GMT -5
I want Cody to win enough belts to do the Ultimo Dragon picture, but all of them are garbage titles nobody gives a shit about. I'm willing to bet there are talks happening between Cody and Tharpe. They talked at Wrestlecade this past weekend. But then was told that every promoter there was talking to Cody and trying to bring him in.
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Post by jakes on Dec 2, 2016 0:33:27 GMT -5
I mean has Cody shown that he has great superstar presence and charisma that WWE was foolish for not tapping into. I think that's what would be most important and so far I don't sense he has shown anything like that at all.
The hype for him after he left WWE was ridiculous. He was never one of these more over than his push indicated types in WWE, was never looked at as being this blow away in ring talent and there was never fan demand for him to be in the main events. Suddenly right after he quit and posted his blog that was knocking WWE people were claiming that Cody was so great and WWE dropped the ball. Since leaving WWE I still get the sense that he's still only okay at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 17:23:16 GMT -5
So... Jeff Jarrett didn't return to TNA (yet).
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 18, 2017 18:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 18, 2017 19:13:35 GMT -5
"Meetings" being code for standing outside of studio offices holding a boombox over his head and staring wistfully into the window, hoping they'll take him. Except instead of Phil Collins he's blasting With My Baby Tonight, which means he doesn't have a chance.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jan 18, 2017 19:32:03 GMT -5
Global Force Gold: The Movie!
Starring Gary Busey as Jeff Jarrett, Rutger Hauer as Jerry Jarrett, Nick Nolte as Dixie Carter and Crispin Glover as Hermie Sadler.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 18, 2017 19:42:54 GMT -5
I want Cody to win enough belts to do the Ultimo Dragon picture, but all of them are garbage titles nobody gives a shit about. NWA champion-confirmed
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