King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 14, 2014 22:51:07 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 22:53:52 GMT -5
I can imagine him as a kid saying on the first day of class, "My name is Cornealious. It's spelled C-o-r-n-a, wait, no, it's C-o-r-n-e-a-l-i-e, wait... you know what, call me Mike".
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 14, 2014 22:55:43 GMT -5
I mean, that's kinda bullshit. I get that they don't want to let him go with no jail time but the error was on the system's part. It's not like he was some troublemaker either, he put his freedom to good use.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 14, 2014 23:01:34 GMT -5
Yeah I'm all for serving time when you've done something wrong and all... but this is hardly his fault the system failed to lock him up, he wasn't exactly hiding. Locking him up now is just for revenge and not in any way going to make him be a better person. If anything it'll push him back into trouble.
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Post by The Sam on Apr 14, 2014 23:02:26 GMT -5
This was on "This American Life" about a month ago. They interviewed Cornelius, the D.A. and the manager of the fast food restaurant he robbed. Really interesting story.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Apr 14, 2014 23:06:58 GMT -5
What did the manager have to say?
Does he still want the guy to serve time?
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King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 14, 2014 23:07:57 GMT -5
What did the manager have to say? Does he still want the guy to serve time? No, he was happy with the guy getting his life on track
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 14, 2014 23:46:47 GMT -5
If the guy has turned his life around then this is bullshit. Poor guy. This isn't to do anything. It's not like they're making the streets safer by keeping this guy behind bars. This is more than likely going to undo all his hard work in getting straight.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 15, 2014 2:27:02 GMT -5
I think it says a lot about the prison system (and not just in the USA either, it's pretty much the same everywhere) that the guy managed to reform by staying accidentally free when we all know that had he gone to prison, he would probably have gotten himself in more trouble, would have missed out on learning (legal) skills that could help him get back on track in his civilian life, would have suffered emotional and psychological trauma that would have handicapped his ability to re-enter society and may well have joined a gang and become a career criminal, not to mention he would have been virtually incapable of finding a decent job with a 13 years hole in his résumé filled with "was in prison".
So of course, now that he's reformed and has become a productive and respectable member of society, they want to ruin it by sending him to jail anyway, which will no doubt make him lose his job and estrange him from his friends and family, with said family having to deal without him and his support for 13 years. Because remember, prison is not for rehabilitating criminals, it's for punishing and hopefully breaking them, ruining their life and encouraging them to commit more crimes.
Look, I get that some individuals really must be removed from society, at least until they are given the help that will allow the rehabilitation process to begin, but common sense should always take precedence over protocol, when the guy has already reformed and gone straight, then what is the point in locking him up? Unless of course we are willing to admit that, as a society, we don't care about re-instating people who made mistakes into society but instead just want petty, counter-productive vengeance against them.
It's not even like the guy was in hiding or gaming the system. They knew where he was, he didn't move to a different town. Make him pay damages to the place he robbed (if that hasn't been done already), maybe give him a symbolic sentence like a few days of community service and move on. Everyone will be happier that way. Don't f'n send a SWAT team to raid his house which, again, speaks volume about what the system thinks of rehabilitation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 3:34:02 GMT -5
Straight up bullshit. Especially the whole raided his house with a SWAT team thing. Seems like overkill to me.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 15, 2014 3:46:35 GMT -5
Bullshit. Dude is clearly a productive member of society now and serving this sentence will do no good to him nor his community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 4:07:05 GMT -5
I am always the "string them up" guy. I hate criminals.
But I just don't see what they hope to achieve with sending him to prison.
A much better idea would be: A 13 year weekend community service deal. He get's to stay home, and he actually repays his debt. And he should pay back the money he stole.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 15, 2014 10:14:32 GMT -5
This is like some straight up real life Les Miserables type bullshit.
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Post by Push R Truth on Apr 15, 2014 10:38:24 GMT -5
I'm shitting my pants because I just remembered that one time Madison banned me but I was still able to post the entire time.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Apr 15, 2014 16:36:09 GMT -5
This guy's gotta be let go free.... and I hope everyone who aided in his capture are lined up so he can kick each one in the dick on the way out.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 15, 2014 16:46:08 GMT -5
I believe people should properly punished for crimes and serve their time. I'm pretty Punic when it comes to these sort of things.
That being said, I'm not sure what interest is being served at this point. The state screwed up. Yes, the guy should have told somebody and served his time, but he didn't. That's a lot to ask anybody to do and, quite frankly, it's not supposed to be your job to ensure that the state does what it's supposed to do in instances like this.
He should repay his debt to society in some other way, but I don't see how sending him to prison benefits the state or society as a whole.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Apr 15, 2014 17:07:29 GMT -5
I believe people should properly punished for crimes and serve their time. I'm pretty Punic when it comes to these sort of things. That being said, I'm not sure what interest is being served at this point. The state screwed up. Yes, the guy should have told somebody and served his time, but he didn't. That's a lot to ask anybody to do and, quite frankly, it's not supposed to be your job to ensure that the state does what it's supposed to do in instances like this. He should repay his debt to society in some other way, but I don't see how sending him to prison benefits the state or society as a whole. I'd say having reformed and become a productive member of society was one hell of a way to repay his debt to it.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 15, 2014 17:21:15 GMT -5
I believe people should properly punished for crimes and serve their time. I'm pretty Punic when it comes to these sort of things. That being said, I'm not sure what interest is being served at this point. The state screwed up. Yes, the guy should have told somebody and served his time, but he didn't. That's a lot to ask anybody to do and, quite frankly, it's not supposed to be your job to ensure that the state does what it's supposed to do in instances like this. He should repay his debt to society in some other way, but I don't see how sending him to prison benefits the state or society as a whole. I'd say having reformed and become a productive member of society was one hell of a way to repay his debt to it. He did that on his own--he didn't do it as a service to the state or as a penance for his crime(Even if that motivated him personally). He broke the law, was convicted of a crime, and did not receive a punishment. It's great and a testament to the man that he improved his life, which is why I say he shouldn't go to prison. He still owes the state and society something, though. We wouldn't want a man unjustly killed based on a clerical error and we simultaneously don't want a felon completely freed of his obligation to society based on a clerical error. The state royally screwed up--they should be extremely lenient. That being said, it sets a terrible precedent to let him off the hook completely. He should allow him to do some sort of community service and call it a day. Something needs to be done. More power to the guy if he gets off the hook completely, though. If it's decided that he needs to serve the full prison sentence, then it's unjust and there needs to be a campaign to get the guy pardoned.
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 15, 2014 17:41:50 GMT -5
I'd say having reformed and become a productive member of society was one hell of a way to repay his debt to it. He did that on his own--he didn't do it as a service to the state or as a penance for his crime(Even if that motivated him personally). He broke the law, was convicted of a crime, and did not receive a punishment. It's great and a testament to the man that he improved his life, which is why I say he shouldn't go to prison. He still owes the state and society something, though. We wouldn't want a man unjustly killed based on a clerical error and we simultaneously don't want a felon completely freed of his obligation to society based on a clerical error. The state royally screwed up--they should be extremely lenient. That being said, it sets a terrible precedent to let him off the hook completely. He should allow him to do some sort of community service and call it a day. Something needs to be done. More power to the guy if he gets off the hook completely, though. If it's decided that he needs to serve the full prison sentence, then it's unjust and there needs to be a campaign to get the guy pardoned. I agree with a lot of what you just said, but isn't serving time in prison meant to rehabilitate the offender and not just a timeout from society? If rehabilitation is truly the main objective of a prison sentence then this man has indeed paid his debt to society already.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 15, 2014 17:47:19 GMT -5
He did that on his own--he didn't do it as a service to the state or as a penance for his crime(Even if that motivated him personally). He broke the law, was convicted of a crime, and did not receive a punishment. It's great and a testament to the man that he improved his life, which is why I say he shouldn't go to prison. He still owes the state and society something, though. We wouldn't want a man unjustly killed based on a clerical error and we simultaneously don't want a felon completely freed of his obligation to society based on a clerical error. The state royally screwed up--they should be extremely lenient. That being said, it sets a terrible precedent to let him off the hook completely. He should allow him to do some sort of community service and call it a day. Something needs to be done. More power to the guy if he gets off the hook completely, though. If it's decided that he needs to serve the full prison sentence, then it's unjust and there needs to be a campaign to get the guy pardoned. I agree with a lot of what you just said, but isn't serving time in prison meant to rehabilitate the offender and not just a timeout from society? If rehabilitation is truly the main objective of a prison sentence then this man has indeed paid his debt to society already. Rehabilitation is the major goal for most offenders, not all of course. Punishment is also an integral part of the whole process. It's a combination of punishment and rehabilitation. They're both important parts of the process. He's got the rehabilitation part down but not the punishment. Though this is an extraordinary situation. I'm not saying he should be imprisoned or pay a huge fine, or anything like that. If they could have him do some sort of community service for a couple of years to compensate for his crime, I think that'd be more than fair.
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