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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 19, 2014 19:35:29 GMT -5
Alex Riley pretty over after feuding with the Miz then got bullied by Mr. "Don't be a bully" John Cena and got buried and became a commentator on NXT who still gets a solid reaction Naturally his fall had zero to do with him being green as hell in the ring. While I don't believe that Riley was ever going to be "The Guy" (maybe Kofi level at the highest, Rey level if he were lucky) and I don't believe the Cena story (Cena can say he doesn't want to work with Riley but he has no control over Riley's booking unless it's in relation to his own), Riley's fall HAS to be political considering that he DID improve in the ring and was never rewarded for his efforts. Nor was he ever allowed to be part of skits like his fellow low card peers such as Khali, 3MB, the former PTPs and Tons of Funk, Santino or Ryder. He was good enough to be used for a Wheel of Aggression match every now and then and they never even gave him that. They pretty much went out of their way to avoid using him.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 19, 2014 19:46:22 GMT -5
It just goes to show how out of touch they typically are. For example, Mojo Rawley. Anyone who thinks he's going to be a huge star is delusional. He's bad in the ring, has the look of a 3rd rate indy wrestler, and he's annoying as hell. And yet, I've seen reports of WWE thinking he's got huge superstar potential. Come on.
Meanwhile, they have guys on the main roster like Damien Sandow and Cody Rhodes who have loads of star potential yet are booked like afterthoughts. It makes no sense to anyone but those in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 6:52:20 GMT -5
Alex Riley pretty over after feuding with the Miz then got bullied by Mr. "Don't be a bully" John Cena and got buried and became a commentator on NXT who still gets a solid reaction Naturally his fall had zero to do with him being green as hell in the ring. No it was all Cena I mean. Why do you think he hasn't wrestled in close to 2 years?
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 20, 2014 11:50:21 GMT -5
Megaman Tom McGee - Vince had him pegged as the guy to follow Hogan based, legendarily and allegedly, on one really outstanding match he had with a young Bret Hart. And then it became painfully clear Bret carried him the entire way... He'd need leaf shield and quick boomerang to stop Hogan back then.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 20, 2014 15:32:21 GMT -5
Naturally his fall had zero to do with him being green as hell in the ring. No it was all Cena I mean. Why do you think he hasn't wrestled in close to 2 years? Because the guy sucked in the ring and wasn't ready for a big push. I know conspiracy theories tend to be pushed really hard to justify why someone fell down the card, but if Cena hated Riley so much, the guy wouldn't have a job anymore.
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Post by Psychoblue on Apr 20, 2014 15:50:30 GMT -5
It just goes to show how out of touch they typically are. For example, Mojo Rawley. Anyone who thinks he's going to be a huge star is delusional. He's bad in the ring, has the look of a 3rd rate indy wrestler, and he's annoying as hell. And yet, I've seen reports of WWE thinking he's got huge superstar potential. Come on. Mojo used to play Tekken in the DMV area when he was in college, so I will defend my fellow FGC rep.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Apr 20, 2014 16:03:36 GMT -5
I know that lots of times we say "x star should be pushed instead of this one for what I saw on TV" but we had to consider that we don't know how things go backstage.
Besides politics which are always a factor, at times wrestlers just don't show an specific attitude that makes management happy
Cesaro and Bryan were at some point in the same crappy position of "not being there when in fact they were" yet somehow they had an specific attitude that gave the company enough confidence to gave them better positions.
At least I'm sure that rock, austin, or cena did something that made management change their minds, and isn't the crowd for the first push, since in order to be cheered, the company has to give you some sort of initial push
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 20, 2014 16:19:15 GMT -5
I know that lots of times we say "x star should be pushed instead of this one for what I saw on TV" but we had to consider that we don't know how things go backstage. Besides politics which are always a factor, at times wrestlers just don't show an specific attitude that makes management happy Cesaro and Bryan were at some point in the same crappy position of "not being there when in fact they were" yet somehow they had an specific attitude that gave the company enough confidence to gave them better positions. At least I'm sure that rock, austin, or cena did something that made management change their minds, and isn't the crowd for the first push, since in order to be cheered, the company has to give you some sort of initial push This is very true. From what we saw on screen, it seems ludicrous that Rob Van Dam didn't get a title reign in 2002 - but from his pot bust after winning the title in 06, it seems quite obvious why he didn't get the belt then. Meanwhile, there are a lot of reports and indications that Bryan, Cesaro, Sheamus, and Cena are great employees for one reason or another - it's difficult to imagine that not being rewarded when combined with their talents.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:19:49 GMT -5
I just want to know if that Bret/Tom Magee match even happened, since it has never turned up anywhere to my knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2014 16:52:11 GMT -5
No it was all Cena I mean. Why do you think he hasn't wrestled in close to 2 years? Because the guy sucked in the ring and wasn't ready for a big push. I know conspiracy theories tend to be pushed really hard to justify why someone fell down the card, but if Cena hated Riley so much, the guy wouldn't have a job anymore. Still can't deny the crowd reaction he got, its like Kofi being depushed in 09 when Orton got mad at him for botching the ending, yet Orton botches his lines and even injured himself taunting.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 20, 2014 17:00:51 GMT -5
No it was all Cena I mean. Why do you think he hasn't wrestled in close to 2 years? Because the guy sucked in the ring and wasn't ready for a big push. I know conspiracy theories tend to be pushed really hard to justify why someone fell down the card, but if Cena hated Riley so much, the guy wouldn't have a job anymore. Pretty much. Hell, he didn't even drop off the radar directly following working with Cena. He stopped showing up regularly after he botched the hell out of that match with Jack Swagger on RAW. He was making mistakes you'd see rookies make on an episode of Tough Enough, except he was supposed to be a WWE Superstar and he was wrestling on live TV. They didn't need Cena to tell them that he was garbage, it was painfully obvious to everyone. He makes Titus O'Neil look like Dean Malenko by comparison.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 20, 2014 17:27:48 GMT -5
Because the guy sucked in the ring and wasn't ready for a big push. I know conspiracy theories tend to be pushed really hard to justify why someone fell down the card, but if Cena hated Riley so much, the guy wouldn't have a job anymore. Pretty much. Hell, he didn't even drop off the radar directly following working with Cena. He stopped showing up regularly after he botched the hell out of that match with Jack Swagger on RAW. He was making mistakes you'd see rookies make on an episode of Tough Enough, except he was supposed to be a WWE Superstar and he was wrestling on live TV. They didn't need Cena to tell them that he was garbage, it was painfully obvious to everyone. He makes Titus O'Neil look like Dean Malenko by comparison. I agree and disagree with you. Agreed that it's not Cena's fault, and that he did suck when they tried to push him. But at the same time WWE needs to shoulder some of the blame for Riley's suckage, considering that Riley got minimal if any opportunities to work on his craft and improve due to being in a glorified non wrestling role for at least 7-8 months before he broke away from Miz. Also, I feel that no one seems to acknowledge the drastic strides that Riley made AFTER losing his push. If he wasn't ready for a high level push, there's no reason why he couldn't be a featured lower mid card act. The whole "Next Big Thing or Nothing" mindset really hurt him.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 20, 2014 20:17:47 GMT -5
It just goes to show how out of touch they typically are. For example, Mojo Rawley. Anyone who thinks he's going to be a huge star is delusional. He's bad in the ring, has the look of a 3rd rate indy wrestler, and he's annoying as hell. And yet, I've seen reports of WWE thinking he's got huge superstar potential. Come on. Meanwhile, they have guys on the main roster like Damien Sandow and Cody Rhodes who have loads of star potential yet are booked like afterthoughts. It makes no sense to anyone but those in charge. generally, as a rule, if WWE has a kid in developmental they're convinced is the future of the business, it's not a stretch at all to assume that they're wrong.
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Post by The Tee Why on Apr 21, 2014 12:19:17 GMT -5
The similarities between Texas Tornado and Ultimate Warrior wrote itself. Would've loved to see a match. Honestly, as a little kid I actually thought they were the same guy except tornado had no makeup on or something.
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Post by Crimson on Apr 21, 2014 12:29:21 GMT -5
Pretty much. Hell, he didn't even drop off the radar directly following working with Cena. He stopped showing up regularly after he botched the hell out of that match with Jack Swagger on RAW. He was making mistakes you'd see rookies make on an episode of Tough Enough, except he was supposed to be a WWE Superstar and he was wrestling on live TV. They didn't need Cena to tell them that he was garbage, it was painfully obvious to everyone. He makes Titus O'Neil look like Dean Malenko by comparison. I agree and disagree with you. Agreed that it's not Cena's fault, and that he did suck when they tried to push him. But at the same time WWE needs to shoulder some of the blame for Riley's suckage, considering that Riley got minimal if any opportunities to work on his craft and improve due to being in a glorified non wrestling role for at least 7-8 months before he broke away from Miz. Also, I feel that no one seems to acknowledge the drastic strides that Riley made AFTER losing his push. If he wasn't ready for a high level push, there's no reason why he couldn't be a featured lower mid card act. The whole "Next Big Thing or Nothing" mindset really hurt him. Don't get me wrong either, I have nothing against the guy. He's just been hit hard with "New Toy Syndrome" that a lot of other midcarders suffer. I just don't think it was any one persons fault he fail down the card.
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