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Post by molson5 on Apr 24, 2014 18:51:15 GMT -5
Popularity overcomes domestic battery. Same with Chris Benoit. If you're a good enough worker, slapping your wife around is no big deal.
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Post by CertifiedBA on Apr 24, 2014 18:54:17 GMT -5
I dunno, you give him flack, see what happens OP.
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Post by blake6905 on Apr 24, 2014 19:50:26 GMT -5
How do fans know that someone is genuinely remorseful? These guys are actors .... Anybody who hits women is a piece of shit... Whether it's Chris Brown, Steve Austin, or my dad. I don't care if they're sorry How do you know when ANYONE is genuine ever? No, I'm being serious. I'm a sociopath and people consider me to be one of the most genuine, authentic, and honest people they know when, in reality, unless you're in my inner circle, I'll lie to you dead to your face just to see if I can do it. 99% of the time, people think I'm being genuine. So I ask you, how does one know for certain, at any point, when dealing with anyone that they're sincere? So... You agree with me then?
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 24, 2014 19:53:05 GMT -5
There's no rhyme or reason to it. Why is Chris Brown a pariah and Sean Penn a respected actor? Chris Brown should be a pariah, but the industry will always forgive his shit because he sells. Sean Penn is a very talented actor, but I don't respect him as a person, especially after all the shit he spouted about the Falklands.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 24, 2014 20:42:47 GMT -5
it was an incredibly shitty thing to do, but he apologized and did everything he could to make up for it. you can't demonize people for doing something wrong when they legitimately feel remorseful and try to make it right, because if you don't ever forgive anyone nobody will ever try to make it right when they do wrong.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Apr 24, 2014 21:16:48 GMT -5
It was a joke...
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Post by champviadq on Apr 24, 2014 22:21:25 GMT -5
How do fans know that someone is genuinely remorseful? These guys are actors .... Anybody who hits women is a piece of shit... Whether it's Chris Brown, Steve Austin, or my dad. I don't care if they're sorry [br I don't know your pops and I dont know Stone Cold. But Chris brown is shit.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 24, 2014 23:11:58 GMT -5
Popularity overcomes domestic battery. Same with Chris Benoit. If you're a good enough worker, slapping your wife around is no big deal. Can we clarify one thing here, please? Until that weekend, the only incident of violence recorded between Chris and Nancy was in her divorce petition claiming that he'd threatened her and broke furniture: a divorce petition she withdrew three months later. For the sake of maintaining decorum here, I'm not going even near a lengthy discussion about it. What I will say about Austin and Debra, however, is that Debra chose the absolute worst time to come forward about the abuse in her and Austin's marriage. In the midst of the media feeding frenzy about the Benoit case and while every other wrestling personality and their dog was on a TV news program talking about Chris, Nancy, Daniel, steroids, CTE and the trend of early deaths among pro wrestlers, Debra stuck out like a sore thumb and seemed to make her story for the news all about her and Austin. She did Nancy's memory no favors during her appearance and did no justice to the cause of preventing and opposing domestic violence.
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Post by Piccolo on Apr 25, 2014 0:04:22 GMT -5
I had always heard she hit him first, which colored my view of the events. Obviously he's a ton bigger than her and could've easily walked away, but when you're drunk and somebody hits you, you might lash out before realizing what you're doing. I don't think of this as a calculated thing, just as an awful mistake that he's never repeated.
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Post by audiencewatching on Apr 25, 2014 3:32:30 GMT -5
I had always heard she hit him first, which colored my view of the events. Obviously he's a ton bigger than her and could've easily walked away, but when you're drunk and somebody hits you, you might lash out before realizing what you're doing. I don't think of this as a calculated thing, just as an awful mistake that he's never repeated. So she deserved it?
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Post by Texas Tornado on Apr 25, 2014 3:40:34 GMT -5
I had always heard she hit him first, which colored my view of the events. Obviously he's a ton bigger than her and could've easily walked away, but when you're drunk and somebody hits you, you might lash out before realizing what you're doing. I don't think of this as a calculated thing, just as an awful mistake that he's never repeated. So she deserved it? C'mon, dude, that is clearly not what they're saying.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 25, 2014 4:35:09 GMT -5
I had always heard she hit him first, which colored my view of the events. Obviously he's a ton bigger than her and could've easily walked away, but when you're drunk and somebody hits you, you might lash out before realizing what you're doing. I don't think of this as a calculated thing, just as an awful mistake that he's never repeated. So she deserved it? She didn't have to catch that Thesz press.
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Post by Piccolo on Apr 25, 2014 5:52:04 GMT -5
I had always heard she hit him first, which colored my view of the events. Obviously he's a ton bigger than her and could've easily walked away, but when you're drunk and somebody hits you, you might lash out before realizing what you're doing. I don't think of this as a calculated thing, just as an awful mistake that he's never repeated. So she deserved it? Are you trolling?
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Apr 25, 2014 8:01:43 GMT -5
There should always be a line between person and performer.
Austin the performer was phenomenal and one of the all-time greats. What he did in his personal life shouldn't weigh on that whatsoever. So what he popped her in the mouth during an argument? That's between them and didn't change the fact that he was awesome in the ring. And that's all I care about.
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Post by jamofpearls on Apr 25, 2014 8:34:17 GMT -5
Coming from personal experience, my dad laid hands on my mother in a similar fashion when they were splitting up. I hated him for that. It happened exactly one time. They went through the divorce. Married other people. They eventually divorced those people and remarried. Dad has never ever done that again, and has been extremely remorseful about it. So we all forgave him.
Austin seems to have been remorseful about it, so even though I have nothing to do with it, I have no problem with him.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Apr 25, 2014 8:53:30 GMT -5
Stone Cold could just portray himself as being really "progressive" and a "feminist" because he treats women exactly the same way he treats men due to "gender equality": he'll hit a man, and he'll hit a woman.
For the record, I'm against hitting women but I also hate the way the term "progressive" is used.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 9:00:37 GMT -5
Many years ago I used to argue that people showed more vitriol to Warrior for his gay views than Austin for beating his wife. That still holds true. If Hogan beat Linda, like I'm sure he wanted to after that messy divorce, would people here forgive him as easily as they have Austin, even if Hulk apologized for it? I doubt it. Replace Hulk with HHH, Warrior (pre-death), or anyone else who either used politics or wasn't an internet favorite. At least someone here was OK with admitting hypocrisy, because that's exactly what it is. You can't pick and choose when assault is wrong. Either it is or it isn't.
Chris Brown is no different than Austin. If Austin was Brown's current age when he beat Debra, then his reaction to it afterwards may have been different. Brown is still young and stupid. Austin was older and by the time he beat Debra his shine as a mega draw wasn't as great as it was in 1998/1999. Brown is as popular now as he ever was. Maybe once his shine is gone, then he will try to repent.
With that said, I hold no ill will to Austin. I don't support what he did, but he hasn't made a habit of it. Some times people make mistakes, or are provoked, etc. I just think some consistency has to be shown by wrestling fans here, especially the ones who are on a high moral horse at all times.
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Post by PTBartman on Apr 25, 2014 9:24:32 GMT -5
"Want legal equality? Sorry, that means carte blanche for someone twice your size to beat the shit out of you." I'll be honest, this is a bloody terrifying perspective on the world. But it rhymes, so it's obviously a legitimate point. ... Yeah, but it's not well thunk, so he must be drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:18:06 GMT -5
Stone Cold could just portray himself as being really "progressive" and a "feminist" because he treats women exactly the same way he treats men due to "gender equality": he'll hit a man, and he'll hit a woman. For the record, I'm against hitting women but I also hate the way the term "progressive" is used. I'm not sure what you mean. I mean from the way I've read it you're saying that him not being remorseful over attacking his partner at a point in time would be him being more accepting/forward thinking/mature than him showing remorse for ever doing such a thing? Surely being against violence and admitting being entirely wrong is more progressive than a justification for a domestic assault? I may well have missed the point of the post but I'm sure some other forum members will have done the same so I am seeking clarity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2014 12:52:39 GMT -5
The difference between Chris Brown and Steve Austin is that Austin, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't throw temper tantrums whenever the subject is brought up, nor does he refer to his justified critics as "haters" or try to come off as a cocky, swaggering badass because he beat a woman. Anybody who tries to parlay awful, juvenile behavior like that into popularity is a gigantic asshole, whether it's Chris Brown, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen or anyone else.
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