mrjl
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Post by mrjl on May 16, 2014 21:01:19 GMT -5
Ricky Steamboat didn't. Tito Santana didn't. Junkyard Dog didn't(to my knowledge) Hogan did. And thats the only name worth comparing this to. And yes of course its possible. Depending on how long Cena stays in the business, eventually he is going to get old. The kids that are his fans now will grow out of him. It happens to virtually every top guy in the business unless they are like Rock and Stone Cold and leave early or are forced out early. He will need to revitalize his career at some point. The way to do that is a heel turn. the kids who cheered him may start to boo him. There will be new kids.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on May 16, 2014 21:08:57 GMT -5
Hogan did. And thats the only name worth comparing this to. And yes of course its possible. Depending on how long Cena stays in the business, eventually he is going to get old. The kids that are his fans now will grow out of him. It happens to virtually every top guy in the business unless they are like Rock and Stone Cold and leave early or are forced out early. He will need to revitalize his career at some point. The way to do that is a heel turn. the kids who cheered him may start to boo him. There will be new kids. When Cena hits his 40s, things will change. There's something in the water or something that makes kids adverse to "old dudes" at some point. The kids will find someone else. They found Warrior the first time Hogan was surpassed....and kids that are fans of Hogan now, some, if not many, will turn on him. Its inevitable. Now, if Cena decides to retire early, that would change things. He would have a better chance to retain popularity.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on May 16, 2014 21:13:33 GMT -5
At this point, I don't even want it to happen anymore.
Like I saw it mentioned earlier, if he were to turn heel, all it would do is flip-flop the "Let's Go Cena - Cena Sucks" chants.
Now, could he be written better? Could his character be more consistent? Absolutely. That's what I'd rather have.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on May 16, 2014 21:16:18 GMT -5
Like I saw it mentioned earlier, if he were to turn heel, all it would do is flip-flop the "Let's Go Cena - Cena Sucks" chants. It's not that cut and dry. I know I yell Cena Sucks now with passion, but if he went heel, I think a lot of fans chanting Sucks now would enjoy booing him and it'd get him over as a heel. I loved Edge when he was a real bastard, but I never cheered, I booed, but still thought he was great.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on May 16, 2014 21:19:59 GMT -5
At this point, I don't even want it to happen anymore. Like I saw it mentioned earlier, if he were to turn heel, all it would do is flip-flop the "Let's Go Cena - Cena Sucks" chants. that's all that ever would have happened. Whatever the Cena haters on here say the vast majority at the show either boo him because it's gotten to be expected or because he caters to someone besides them
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Doctor Of Style
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Post by Doctor Of Style on May 16, 2014 21:23:44 GMT -5
Only if they find someone else who can draw money and sell about as much merch as he does to take the top face spot.
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Malcolm
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Post by Malcolm on May 16, 2014 21:35:58 GMT -5
A heel turn is possible, but who would really benefit from it?
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Post by gnr123 on May 16, 2014 21:40:59 GMT -5
The thing is, Hogan's turn is incomparable. Sure, they were both top faces, but when Hogan turned he was in WCW. WCW wasn't built or made for a larger than life wrestler like Hulk Hogan, it was built for the Ric Flair's and Sting's of the world. So, Hogan being a larger than life babyface didn't work out for him in WCW because the world of WCW was entirely different from the over the top world of the WWE. In WWE, Hogan was the main guy, and the company was built around him. In WCW, the company was already built up for other guys, Hogan didn't really fit the mold. Just like how Ric Fair didn't fit in WWE in the early 90's. Hogan turned him because his babyface WWE character wasn't working with the more old school WCW fans.
The only comparable heel turn to Cena is Steve Austin. And that was a financial bomb and Austin was back to being a babyface only months after turning heel. In my honest opinion, there's no clear cut reason to turn Cena heel. He still sells tickets, people still buy his merchandise, he still get's loud reactions (positive or negative). It's a lost cause. Sure, he's being booed, but it adds to the dynamic of the John Cena character. And, those people who are booing him paid to be there, so it's no loss to the company. Shawn Michaels was always a babyface since him return (only excluding his 4 week heel turn against Hogan). But, from 2002 to 2011 ( take away a month) he was always a babyface. I don't see why Cena can't be in that same spot. Hell, look at him now. He's not in the main event scene, and he's fueding with a young star. The could book John Cena as "the measuring stick" for years, just like how they booked HBK for years, and it'll work fine. Turning Cena now would just seem like a desperate attempt to change his character. If he was ever going to turn heel, it would have been in 2006, when the Cena hate was at it's peak. But, guess what, he making tons of money for the company, so they stuck with him as a face. I'd say it turned out alright.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 16, 2014 21:41:00 GMT -5
Well the chances to actually evolve his character have passed and any attempt to change it in my opinion falls into the "too late" category. The WWE had many opportunities to change him when the backlash was at its peak, during the Nexus fiasco, his embrace the hate feud with Kane, and of course his current storyline with Bray.
Can it be done? Anything can be done if they were willing to be creative about it. However, is it worth it at this point?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 17, 2014 8:52:22 GMT -5
I realised this a while ago myself. The instant Cena turned heel he would start getting cheered relentlessly.
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Post by Bad Moon on May 17, 2014 8:58:07 GMT -5
IMO Cena has been working one of the best heels ever for the last seven years.
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Post by mor666gie on May 17, 2014 9:38:10 GMT -5
ummm, I already thought he was a heel?
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 17, 2014 10:11:07 GMT -5
Only if they find someone else who can draw money and sell about as much merch as he does to take the top face spot. Ding ding. Once Insert NXT Guy Here catches on and becomes a huge merchandise mover (not Bryan, who's in his 30s, I mean a dude in his 20s they can milk for a decade), Cena's no longer of any use in a face role. And honestly I see it happening sooner than later, dude's closing in on 40.
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Post by bluemeii on May 17, 2014 15:13:25 GMT -5
I've said this before but if they want to make Cena a heel all they need to do is start making him lose. The kids will stop supporting him so merch goes down and he can be turned.
But seeing this is a business and it's all about making money....yeah that ain't happening and like many have said....he is a heel already...a hell that sells the most merch by far why would they mess with success.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 17, 2014 15:34:13 GMT -5
I don't want this to happen. I've said this in multiple Heel Cena threads, but Cena's problem is not so much his character, as it is his dominance over the product. If Cena turns heel, he'll just go back to being the center of the WWE Universe, and no one wants that. We'd just get endless "John Cena Has Turned His Back on the WWE Universe" recaps while everyone from Daniel Bryan all the way down to Troy McClain talks about how they felt about it
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 15:37:54 GMT -5
I think the only way it'd work with him being universally booed was if he played the exact same character, but he associated with heels and feuded with faces.
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Post by wildojinx on May 17, 2014 16:09:31 GMT -5
Have him refuse to do his signature moves, for example have him tease the 5 knuckle shuffle or the attitude adjustment, but dont use it. That could work.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 17, 2014 16:25:13 GMT -5
If I was booking WWE I wouldn't turn him heel, but rather eliminate the stupid childish shit that alienates the male demographic. With only a slight tweaking, Cena can convert them into supporters. It wouldn't be difficult. With the right adjustments to his character, the same guys who boo him will be buying his hats, t-shirts and other shit.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 17, 2014 16:27:10 GMT -5
If I was booking WWE I wouldn't turn him heel, but rather eliminate the stupid childish shit that alienates the male demographic. With only a slight tweaking, Cena can convert them into supporters. It wouldn't be difficult. With the right adjustments to his character, the same guys who boo him will be buying his hats, t-shirts and other shit. But what would he be without that? Without the "stupid childish shit" it seems like he'd just be a dull, generic SRS BIZNESS type whose only distinguishable trait is that he happens to wrestle in shorts.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 17, 2014 16:28:18 GMT -5
There's no way to change Cena at this point. Cena is as Cena does and will be until his retirement.
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