rocket
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Post by rocket on May 25, 2014 17:11:54 GMT -5
For what it's worth it seemed like the Angelina's vista problems in 2009 was the start of the decline of the knockouts division. Kinda threw a wrench in whatever they were doing at the time. And around the time Angelina was cleared to come back, Hogan/Bischoff came.
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Post by NOwave on May 25, 2014 18:24:09 GMT -5
If she really meant this, it's pretty naive. In every wrestling promotion everywhere, ever worker is looking to take the spot of the guy above him. That's the way it has to work in a business like this, where there are no "employees" but instead all independent contractors who compete with each at all times for every opportunity to make money.
Many wrestlers have been quoted as saying the business makes you not want to get too friendly with the other boys, because when they do, they they feel worse when they inevitably try to take somebody's spot away, or keep someone from taking their spot.
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Post by Lancers on May 25, 2014 18:32:23 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on May 25, 2014 18:40:44 GMT -5
They do but I'd rather see a same-sex angle done tastefully and respectfully rather than just 'Oh there's two girls kissing, isn't this hot' I'd rather have them do it with class and dignity as opposed to cheap fan-service. A same-sex angle done 'tastefully & respectfully' in wrestling? Sadly, that'll probably never happen. Maybe eventually. I was pleasantly surprised at how things went when Darren Young came out, which is to say, not a whole lot changed. That's likely how it should be, that a gay wrestler can just be a wrestler. It didn't need to be an angle or anything. I am sure a same-sex relationship angle could work, but more relationship angles in general are forced, so it'd have the deck stacked against it to begin with.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 25, 2014 18:55:28 GMT -5
For what it's worth it seemed like the Angelina's vista problems in 2009 was the start of the decline of the knockouts division. Kinda threw a wrench in whatever they were doing at the time. And around the time Angelina was cleared to come back, Hogan/Bischoff came. It looked like her & Velvet were gonna be the 1st KO Tag Champs and feud with Taylor & Sarita. Instead, after their feud with Vel & Madison, Taylor & Sarita just kinda floated around until losing the titles to KongMada(plus, Hogan & Bisch didn't help).
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on May 25, 2014 21:34:57 GMT -5
She's suffered a bunch of concussions over the years. It's become really obvious even when she's just standing about that something isn't right.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 25, 2014 21:41:48 GMT -5
She's suffered a bunch of concussions over the years. It's become really obvious even when she's just standing about that something isn't right. See, this is a great point. She just suffered a mild concussion at the Knockouts ppv taping. She's at the Troy Aikman level of getting knocked loopy on normal bumps and no telling how many undiagnosed concussions she got.
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Post by Tyfo on May 25, 2014 22:53:02 GMT -5
She's suffered a bunch of concussions over the years. It's become really obvious even when she's just standing about that something isn't right. See, this is a great point. She just suffered a mild concussion at the Knockouts ppv taping. She's at the Troy Aikman level of getting knocked loopy on normal bumps and no telling how many undiagnosed concussions she got. She also suffered a mild one working the Mid-South show during WrestleMania weekend. She's had a number of concussions and I think she's had to really tone down some things as a result. Also, the "unhealthy body" thing has always killed me. She has a very slender body type. Nothing she can do about that, it's the hand she was dealt. At the same time, she's pretty damn ripped. It may burst some people's bubble, but you don't maintain muscle tone like she has and has had for years by being anorexic or not eating. There's also the fact that by now she probably would have passed out in the ring and been hospitalized at some point. Anorexic people also wouldn't be able to preform that level of physical activity for any extended period of time. Plus, I've seen her eat. I've eaten with her. Several times. Shocking I know. But it does happen.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 26, 2014 8:16:24 GMT -5
Everything the Knockouts do nowadays depresses me. TNA is back to where the most over Knockouts are the ones that the most people masturbate to, i.e. Velvet and Brooke, rather than the ones who can wrestle the best (admittedly Velvet was still one of the most over back in the day but she was at least part of a heel gimmick that fed into that and wasn't stale as shit). The Knockouts division a few years back was the only time I ever cared about women's wrestling and enjoyed multiple characters and knew their gimmicks, motivations and storylines. It's just deteriorated ever since and TNA has made it clear that they don't care whatsoever about making it that good ever again.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 26, 2014 8:42:49 GMT -5
Everything the Knockouts do nowadays depresses me. TNA is back to where the most over Knockouts are the ones that the most people masturbate to, i.e. Velvet and Brooke, rather than the ones who can wrestle the best (admittedly Velvet was still one of the most over back in the day but she was at least part of a heel gimmick that fed into that and wasn't stale as shit). The Knockouts division a few years back was the only time I ever cared about women's wrestling and enjoyed multiple characters and knew their gimmicks, motivations and storylines. It's just deteriorated ever since and TNA has made it clear that they don't care whatsoever about making it that good ever again. TNA made it clear that they booking them like it's 1999 with passe gimmick matches like evening gown, even more gratuitous camera shots with the Pap Smear Cam, and lack of focus on the wrestling.
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Post by Sephiroth on May 26, 2014 9:14:28 GMT -5
I also get the impression that Angelina is not as enthusiastic as she once was because she is kind of resigned to where she is. Lets face it, the only place she can go to shoot UPWARD is WWE, and if they were remotely interested in her they would have signed her years ago. I think she still enjoys wrestling, but she feels resigned to being a second or even third tier player for life. For my own part, I think she could have had a real shot at going to WWE when she had her green card issues if WWE hadn't already had so many stars comparable to her, the most obvious being Kelly Kelly; they were abundant with blonde haired, blue eyed characters just like hers at the time, and WWE was still practicing hiring women based purely on appearance rather than on overall ability.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 26, 2014 9:32:38 GMT -5
I also get the impression that Angelina is not as enthusiastic as she once was because she is kind of resigned to where she is. Lets face it, the only place she can go to shoot UPWARD is WWE, and if they were remotely interested in her they would have signed her years ago. I think she still enjoys wrestling, but she feels resigned to being a second or even third tier player for life. For my own part, I think she could have had a real shot at going to WWE when she had her green card issues if WWE hadn't already had so many stars comparable to her, the most obvious being Kelly Kelly; they were abundant with blonde haired, blue eyed characters just like hers at the time, and WWE was still practicing hiring women based purely on appearance rather than on overall ability. It was less about Angelina's appearance and more of WWE didn't want her. She was originally part of Deep South and considered a top prospect but injuries derailed that and she got released. When she got released by TNA due to issues with her expired green card (it was still based off her DSW stint), she tried to get a job with WWE but got rejected. Which WWE has done to a number of former Knockouts like Tara, Winter, ODB, and Rosita so they are consistent in that.
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