King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on May 26, 2014 4:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 26, 2014 4:56:41 GMT -5
Oh boy, this is not gonna end well, especially in the current context.
But yes, sexism and double standards do go both ways. So ironically, sexism itself proves once again that both genders are equal as they are both capable of being horrible and prejudiced.
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Post by Heartbreaker on May 26, 2014 4:58:22 GMT -5
Can't be the only one who read "Public condoms".
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 26, 2014 5:27:34 GMT -5
I remember on Chelsea Handler's show quite a while back, one of the panelists said something along the lines of "If a girl beats up a guy, it's a comedy, but if a guy beats up a girl, it's a Lifetime movie."
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 26, 2014 5:30:36 GMT -5
I'll just spoiler this story a friend told me...... {Spoiler}A friend said back in high school this chick was running around punching guys and laughing, saying "you can't hit me!!!"...Until she punched one dude, who turned around and knocked her down.
I think the moral is, don't be a dick, no matter the sex
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 26, 2014 5:31:00 GMT -5
Yep.
Hence why there are way more M->F TGs than F->M TGs.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 26, 2014 7:33:36 GMT -5
Men suffering through domestic abuse is no joke, but violence and assaults on women are way more common and thus a much bigger issue. So yeah, it's getting the right amount of attention.
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Post by Piccolo on May 26, 2014 7:54:33 GMT -5
That's messed up. If I saw a woman doing that to a man in public, I would absolutely call the cops; the bystanders' reactions are awful. (And I was also surprised by how long they took to respond to the man abusing the woman, for that matter.)
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Post by HMARK Center on May 26, 2014 9:45:55 GMT -5
Men suffering through domestic abuse is no joke, but violence and assaults on women are way more common and thus a much bigger issue. So yeah, it's getting the right amount of attention. Bingo. There's also the simple biology: men are physically larger, thus our blows tend to carry a lot more weight and force, making male-on-female assault, in general, much more of an immediate threat than the opposite way around. Add to that pain thresholds: men tend to have a higher one than women. Now add into all of that how much more frequent male-on-female assault is, and it really shouldn't be a shock that it's much more quickly condemned (though not always acted upon, sadly). All of which, however, does not excuse female-on-male violence, not in the least, and people reacting by laughing at it only reinforce incredibly negative stereotypes that only spur on further violence; for example, the guy is laughed at because he's seen as vulnerable, or weak, or somehow "not man enough", which is the kind of stereotype that only drives further awful behavior.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 26, 2014 10:02:06 GMT -5
A good example of alleged domestic violence that a lot of people on the board can relate to happened between Taryn Terrell and Drew McIntyre a few years back, where Taryn I think was arrested for domestic violence. Drew is a very large, professional athlete, and if he fought back, would have done some major damage to Taryn, and thankfully according to everything, he didn't and it was just Taryn. And as other people have mentioned, people do talk about female on male domestic violence and take it seriously. That's messed up. If I saw a woman doing that to a man in public, I would absolutely call the cops; the bystanders' reactions are awful. (And I was also surprised by how long they took to respond to the man abusing the woman, for that matter.) Good old Bystander Effect en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
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Post by agent817 on May 26, 2014 10:11:36 GMT -5
This brings a question: What if a guy is trying to defend himself against a woman? If I was ever in a situation with a woman trying to beat the hell out of me, I'm not going to stand there and take it, and end up injured badly. I'm going to try to defend myself any way that I can. Of course, even if it was self-defense, there is often the case of a woman manipulating authorities into thinking it was domestic assault as opposed to self-defense.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 26, 2014 10:20:44 GMT -5
This brings a question: What if a guy is trying to defend himself against a woman? If I was ever in a situation with a woman trying to beat the hell out of me, I'm not going to stand there and take it, and end up injured badly. I'm going to try to defend myself any way that I can. Of course, even if it was self-defense, there is often the case of a woman manipulating authorities into thinking it was domestic assault as opposed to self-defense. Yeah, but there are a lot of cases where the woman just isn't believed. I feel the "woman manipulating authorities" trope kinda needs to die off, because it really keeps people from reporting stuff, like rape, violence, etc. I'm sure it happens, everyone is human and capable of this stuff, but I feel that it's usually done to dismiss claims. In regards to your case, we go back to the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma. How big are you? How big is she? I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. If she's really small, and you're a lot bigger then her, then no, you don't fight back, because it's simply not fair. You just get out of the situation asap and then report it.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 26, 2014 10:26:56 GMT -5
This brings a question: What if a guy is trying to defend himself against a woman? If I was ever in a situation with a woman trying to beat the hell out of me, I'm not going to stand there and take it, and end up injured badly. I'm going to try to defend myself any way that I can. Of course, even if it was self-defense, there is often the case of a woman manipulating authorities into thinking it was domestic assault as opposed to self-defense. Yeah, but there are a lot of cases where the woman just isn't believed. I feel the "woman manipulating authorities" trope kinda needs to die off, because it really keeps people from reporting stuff, like rape, violence, etc. I'm sure it happens, everyone is human and capable of this stuff, but I feel that it's usually done to dismiss claims. In regards to your case, we go back to the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma. How big are you? How big is she? I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. If she's really small, and you're a lot bigger then her, then no, you don't fight back, because it's simply not fair. You just get out of the situation asap and then report it. Yeah no, if someone is attacking me, I do believe it's fair to fight back regardless of who they are. Why wouldn't I? They started it, they're responsible for what happens. I'm not gonna let myself get beat up because someone is smaller than me. It's not abuse to defend yourself.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 26, 2014 10:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah, but there are a lot of cases where the woman just isn't believed. I feel the "woman manipulating authorities" trope kinda needs to die off, because it really keeps people from reporting stuff, like rape, violence, etc. I'm sure it happens, everyone is human and capable of this stuff, but I feel that it's usually done to dismiss claims. In regards to your case, we go back to the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma. How big are you? How big is she? I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. If she's really small, and you're a lot bigger then her, then no, you don't fight back, because it's simply not fair. You just get out of the situation asap and then report it. Yeah no, if someone is attacking me, I do believe it's fair to fight back regardless of who they are. Why wouldn't it? They started it, they're responsible for what happens. I'm not gonna let myself get beat up because someone is smaller than me. It's not abuse to defend yourself. So you're just going to pulverize them? You have barely a scratch but they have their head caved in? If you're bigger, you can't attempt to control the situation, hold her down, escape, realize that you could do a lot of damage to her, instead of putting the boots to her.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 26, 2014 10:35:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but there are a lot of cases where the woman just isn't believed. I feel the "woman manipulating authorities" trope kinda needs to die off, because it really keeps people from reporting stuff, like rape, violence, etc. I'm sure it happens, everyone is human and capable of this stuff, but I feel that it's usually done to dismiss claims. In regards to your case, we go back to the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma. How big are you? How big is she? I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. If she's really small, and you're a lot bigger then her, then no, you don't fight back, because it's simply not fair. You just get out of the situation asap and then report it. Yeah no, if someone is attacking me, I do believe it's fair to fight back regardless of who they are. Why wouldn't it? They started it, they're responsible for what happens. I'm not gonna let myself get beat up because someone is smaller than me. It's not abuse to defend yourself. Actually, no; from a legal standpoint you need to be aware of how much more damage you might cause than your attacker in a case like this. If you're that much bigger/stronger, it won't be considered defensive if you throw a punch back and have the capability of taking your aggressor down with one blow. Defensive would be "I'm much larger/stronger, these blows don't hurt me that badly, I'm going to remove myself from this situation and report my attacker instead". If we're talking a random assault on the street, I think most people would whole-heartedly support defending such an action, since there isn't much in the way of time to assess what you're capable of doing to your attacker. If it's domestic or something, however, or simply a situation with a person you know, then it may very well be contingent on you being aware of such factors.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on May 26, 2014 10:39:25 GMT -5
It's possible for a guy to defend himself without 'pulverizing' his attacker, dude.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 26, 2014 10:41:07 GMT -5
Correction in that women actually have been shown in tests to very often have higher threshold for pain, at least certain kinds of pain, than men. Men might be more defiant in the case of all out physical violence, though, depending on the person. It isn't really quantifiable, though, outside of just observations, I guess.
That said, don't f***ing hit people. Striking someone of either six unwarranted should get you jailtime if you don't knock it off. It's unacceptable behavior in modern society.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 26, 2014 10:47:43 GMT -5
It's possible for a guy to defend himself without 'pulverizing' his attacker, dude. True, but I'm also bringing up issues of size difference, how someone who is bigger can hit harder. This is why in boxing and MMA, they don't normally have fights outside of weight classes. So depending on the situation, pulverizing can certainly be appropriate term to use. Especially if I look at the post, a good part was "They're responsible for what happens". So would they in turn be responsible for a pulverizing? And not only that, but if you have a girlfriend attacking you, defending yourself can also be holding her, making sure she's not hitting you, and then getting out of the situation. It depends on how responsible the guy is. And plus, high emotion could lead to some pulverizing, depending on the situation.
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Post by Reflecto on May 26, 2014 11:10:23 GMT -5
This brings a question: What if a guy is trying to defend himself against a woman? If I was ever in a situation with a woman trying to beat the hell out of me, I'm not going to stand there and take it, and end up injured badly. I'm going to try to defend myself any way that I can. Of course, even if it was self-defense, there is often the case of a woman manipulating authorities into thinking it was domestic assault as opposed to self-defense. Yeah, but there are a lot of cases where the woman just isn't believed. I feel the "woman manipulating authorities" trope kinda needs to die off, because it really keeps people from reporting stuff, like rape, violence, etc. I'm sure it happens, everyone is human and capable of this stuff, but I feel that it's usually done to dismiss claims. In regards to your case, we go back to the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma. How big are you? How big is she? I know that shouldn't matter, but it does. If she's really small, and you're a lot bigger then her, then no, you don't fight back, because it's simply not fair. You just get out of the situation asap and then report it. But that's also another side to the Male-to-female violence: Again, the psychological aspect when a woman hits a man. Part of "Man hits woman, public condemns- woman hits man, people laugh" is that in a female-on-male situation, the man can't win. If the woman attacks him, people around will laugh at it instead of help him. If he defends himself, he'll be seen as a monster for hitting a woman, but if he DOESN'T defend himself, he'll be seen as less of a man (and the Drew McIntyre/Taryn Terrell dilemma is a good example of that too- McIntyre was clearly not willing to hit Terrell over this message because he knew he was bigger and a trained athlete- but by not hitting her, he apparently killed his push because everyone thought he was a wimp for letting her beat him up.)
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Post by Sephiroth on May 26, 2014 11:31:53 GMT -5
I recall reading an article on this topic. The author cited the ever infamous escapades of one recent former president of the Unuted States. Namely how, after coming clean about his marital philandering, he showed up for a press conference with a visible red mark on the side of his face. One doesn't have to be a genius to know where that came from. The author described pointing this out to others, and the response was universally "He deserved it!" But that when the scenario was reversed by asking, had it been this president's wife having affairs, would this have given him the right to raise a hand against her when he found out about it, the responses were universally in the negative.
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