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Post by keezy on May 27, 2014 16:36:47 GMT -5
Remember when Raw was new it was mainly just squash matches with local talents and only one or two real matches? Well looking at recent Raws and Smackdowns I'm getting the impression that it's back to this formula, except now they have name superstars as the jobbers.
If they're going to do jobber matches why not just release your jobbers, or put them on Main Event, Superstars, NXT and then just hire local jobbers to lose to Bo, Rose and Rusev for cheap? It wouldn't change anything.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 27, 2014 16:57:26 GMT -5
Because the current set of jobbers are reliable, solid workers, under contract, and worth pushing in a pinch.
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Post by mrjl on May 27, 2014 16:58:15 GMT -5
Remember when Raw was new it was mainly just squash matches with local talents and only one or two real matches? Well looking at recent Raws and Smackdowns I'm getting the impression that it's back to this formula, except now they have name superstars as the jobbers. If they're going to do jobber matches why not just release your jobbers, or put them on Main Event, Superstars, NXT and then just hire local jobbers to lose to Bo, Rose and Rusev for cheap? It wouldn't change anything. not even close. |
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Post by Nickybojelais on May 27, 2014 17:21:15 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated and eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days.
I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great!
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 27, 2014 17:35:23 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days. I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great! I think the best middle ground would be to establish tiers between the wrestlers and using the full roster If two wrestlers wrestle, the "higher ranking" wrestler should always win, but the lesser talent should look good in defeat. No one smaller than 6'5 and/or 270 lbs should be squashing anyone, even if it's the WWE World Heavyweight Champion vs. JTG. Also give developmental talents one-off appearances on the main shows to help drum up interest in NXT. The NXT guys should "pay their dues" by taking a few losses (not squashes, and not a large losing streak) before making their official debut with a push. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 27, 2014 18:36:36 GMT -5
While they have definitely shifted back towards star-vs-jobber roots, it's not necessarily *their* star-vs-jobber roots. Whereas the old model for WWF/E matches were squashes, this shift seems more akin to how old territories like Mid-South and Georgia operated. In that, they keep their jobbers elevated *just* enough and allow them competitive matches, something the old WWF formula usually lacked.
Why not just use random local jobbers again? Well, all those Zack Ryder shirts and toys may not sell as much as Cena's, but they still sell. Contracted "jobbers" offer more opportunity to market every aspect of the roster, plus it keeps a ready-made, trained-the-way-WWE-wants guys to throw out there for whatever. No more Joe Nobody showing up without a clue in the world how to work with his opponent that night, or Salvatore Bellamo never standing a chance.
While they do still employ the method of bringing in local guys for one-shot squash enhancement roles, it's relegated mostly to non-televised stuff or special angles (Ryback's debut month).
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 22:46:18 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated and eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days. I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great! Back then, it was an hour to fill. These days, it's 3. Then 2 more on Smackdown. Another for Main Event. Superstars exists. I just think the amount of content that has to be filled is a huge difference/problem. |
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Post by Nickybojelais on May 28, 2014 9:44:32 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated and eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days. I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great! Back then, it was an hour to fill. These days, it's 3. Then 2 more on Smackdown. Another for Main Event. Superstars exists. I just think the amount of content that has to be filled is a huge difference/problem. Absolutely, as you can probably tell I'm not a huge fan of the overexposure of wrestling today. Just one example is the amount of times Cena has fought members of the Wyatts over the past few months. It has gotten to the point where you cannot possibly see anything new or fresh from them. Just sadly the nature of wrestling today. As Batista would bluntly tell me..."Deal with it!" |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 9:52:26 GMT -5
Back then, it was an hour to fill. These days, it's 3. Then 2 more on Smackdown. Another for Main Event. Superstars exists. I just think the amount of content that has to be filled is a huge difference/problem. Absolutely, as you can probably tell I'm not a huge fan of the overexposure of wrestling today. Just one example is the amount of times Cena has fought members of the Wyatts over the past few months. It has gotten to the point where you cannot possibly see anything new or fresh from them. Just sadly the nature of wrestling today. As Batista would bluntly tell me..."Deal with it!" I wish they'd try to book more different things on Raw and Smackdown. Use a lot more of the roster, try not to have guys appear on both shows in any given week. They started booking Smackdown heavier mid-late 2013, because the TV rights fee negotiations were around the corner. At first, it was cool because the main event storyline carried over to Smackdown and created a unified feel between the shows. But then it got super repetitive and uncreative, and we end up seeing all the same people on both shows, wrestling the same people ad nasueum. I thought they did a good job in late 90s/early 2000s of mixing up the roster, so you never knew who was appearing on which show. Mixing up opponents would be great too. EVERY SHOW, some variation of Usos/Cena vs. Wyatts. They should all be wrestling other people and having their angle cross into other ones, get more interactions between different wrestlers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 9:56:16 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated and eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days. I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great! I think one thing that would really help to spruce up the shows would be to emphasize the different wrestling styles of various guys. That way no two matches would feel the same because some matches would be mirrors, whereas others would stress the difference in technique of the opponents. Too many recent matches just feel like "Punch punch kick, punch punch kick, kick kick whip, punch punch punch." And no matter who's doing it, that's never exciting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 10:24:40 GMT -5
Stay tuned! After Hercules vs Fred Jones and Tito Santana vs this guy that looks kinda like Urkel....ITS TIME FOR OUR MAIN EVENT OF TED DIBIASE VS RUGGED RONNIE GARVIN!
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Post by Crimson on May 28, 2014 10:29:55 GMT -5
I absolutely love the pre-Attitude era formula of shows. Seeing pale, blandly attired, pudgy jobbers get obliterated and eagerly anticipating Tatanka vs Repo Man as your main event. The good thing about that formula was at least you didn't see the same matches ad nauseam like you do these days. I'm not suggesting we go back to the days of Squashfests, but I think some middle ground would be great! I think one thing that would really help to spruce up the shows would be to emphasize the different wrestling styles of various guys. That way no two matches would feel the same because some matches would be mirrors, whereas others would stress the difference in technique of the opponents. Too many recent matches just feel like "Punch punch kick, punch punch kick, kick kick whip, punch punch punch." And no matter who's doing it, that's never exciting. I agree, and I think Jeff Hardy is probably the best example of someone who benefited from developing their own unique style. Even though a lot of people complain about it, that's what I actually really like about Kofi. He's one of the few guys on the roster with a truly distinctive style. Daniel Bryan and the Usos also fit that criteria. On a side note, that's also my biggest issue with Cena. He tries to do everything when he really should just do big power moves like Cesaro. |
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on May 28, 2014 10:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 16:03:30 GMT -5
I think one thing that would really help to spruce up the shows would be to emphasize the different wrestling styles of various guys. That way no two matches would feel the same because some matches would be mirrors, whereas others would stress the difference in technique of the opponents. Too many recent matches just feel like "Punch punch kick, punch punch kick, kick kick whip, punch punch punch." And no matter who's doing it, that's never exciting. I agree, and I think Jeff Hardy is probably the best example of someone who benefited from developing their own unique style. Even though a lot of people complain about it, that's what I actually really like about Kofi. He's one of the few guys on the roster with a truly distinctive style. Daniel Bryan and the Usos also fit that criteria. On a side note, that's also my biggest issue with Cena. He tries to do everything when he really should just do big power moves like Cesaro. I don't consider Jeff Hardy one of my "favorite" wrestlers but honestly, he never had a match I didn't find interesting. It was cool how his style against Nitro, Umaga, Punk, etc. were all different and he treated them like he had different strengths and weaknesses. Not someone we necessarily think of as having great match psychology, but there you have it. |
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