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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 3, 2014 19:36:41 GMT -5
For sure. It has some outstanding verses, but it has some whack beats and production too, Kendrick deserved a better sound for his words. And Drake is just unforgivable. Yeah, but truthfully for what it's worth, it's some of the best mainstream instrumentals I have heard in a while I am going to get bood for this but the one album I am disappointed in when it came to instrumentals was Marshall Mathers LP2. Such great songs, but such weak beats. MMLP2 had some great uses of samples, but the mixing was like it was for a country album (Rubin wanting Mathers to be the new Cash? I dunno), but it needed more thump to it with a slightly different mix. Good stuff there done weakly. My favorite beats over the past little bit are Hopsin's from Knock Madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 19:45:14 GMT -5
Yeah, but truthfully for what it's worth, it's some of the best mainstream instrumentals I have heard in a while I am going to get bood for this but the one album I am disappointed in when it came to instrumentals was Marshall Mathers LP2. Such great songs, but such weak beats. MMLP2 had some great uses of samples, but the mixing was like it was for a country album (Rubin wanting Mathers to be the new Cash? I dunno), but it needed more thump to it with a slightly different mix. Good stuff there done weakly. My favorite beats over the past little bit are Hopsin's from Knock Madness. Which, while we are in the same ball park, have you heard Tech N9ne's new stuff? Featuring of course Kendrick Lamar?
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 3, 2014 19:47:40 GMT -5
MMLP2 had some great uses of samples, but the mixing was like it was for a country album (Rubin wanting Mathers to be the new Cash? I dunno), but it needed more thump to it with a slightly different mix. Good stuff there done weakly. My favorite beats over the past little bit are Hopsin's from Knock Madness. Which, while we are in the same ball park, have you heard Tech N9ne's new stuff? Featuring of course Kendrick Lamar? I have seen Fragile, have listened to the rest yet. But Tech is a great kind of crazy. On older stuff, the video for "Am I psycho" has been a regular for me lately. Back on Kendrick, his verse on that Pusha T track is crazy good stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2014 19:51:23 GMT -5
Which, while we are in the same ball park, have you heard Tech N9ne's new stuff? Featuring of course Kendrick Lamar? I have seen Fragile, have listened to the rest yet. But Tech is a great kind of crazy. On older stuff, the video for "Am I psycho" has been a regular for me lately. Back on Kendrick, his verse on that Pusha T track is crazy good stuff. I'll have to listen to it, as I completely HATE Pusha T. Every track he is on seems like death, from "Runaway" with Kanye, to most recently "Murda" on Kid Ink's new album (And if you want to talk production, god DAMN Kid Ink had it made)
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 3, 2014 19:53:50 GMT -5
I have seen Fragile, have listened to the rest yet. But Tech is a great kind of crazy. On older stuff, the video for "Am I psycho" has been a regular for me lately. Back on Kendrick, his verse on that Pusha T track is crazy good stuff. I'll have to listen to it, as I completely HATE Pusha T. Every track he is on seems like death, from "Runaway" with Kanye, to most recently "Murda" on Kid Ink's new album (And if you want to talk production, god DAMN Kid Ink had it made) Pusha's words are good and provoking on this one. But Kendrick steals it. It is called Nosetalgia.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 3, 2014 19:55:26 GMT -5
On Macklemore's Jewish problem:
He performed a song with a title of a store that is stereotypically owned by Jews, and did so dressed in a stereotypical Jewish nose and beard combo.
He can say it was just "some random costume", but he'd be lying. He did it for the attention and for the extra print and it worked.
F*** him. F*** him and any celebrity who does some stupid, offensive shit and then turns around and says "Oh, I'm only sorry if I offended someone. Let me be an ignorant douchebag in peace, please?"
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Post by DSR on Jun 3, 2014 22:12:47 GMT -5
On Macklemore's Jewish problem: He performed a song with a title of a store that is stereotypically owned by Jews, and did so dressed in a stereotypical Jewish nose and beard combo. When I think of thrift stores, I think of Goodwill and Salvation Army, both of which founded by Christian organizations.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 3, 2014 22:32:33 GMT -5
I don't know about Jews owning thrift shops (I've never heard that myself and I'm Jewish), but the stereotype is of Jews being extremely cheap. Singing a song about getting cheap shit at a thrift shop while having the giant nose and that kind of hair is a playing on a very old, negative stereotype about Jews.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jun 3, 2014 22:39:43 GMT -5
1. Maybe some people in this world need some lessons to either be over the top or simply subtle, for example as me and pegasuswarrior talked about in a previous FAN Idol contest (sorry for tagging you so much bro), talked about how a simple song such as "I Can" from Nas or even "Best of Times" from our very own Sage Francis could come off as a bit preachy. Which I disagreed with, but I see where he is coming from. Point being, if you are trying to send a message, some people respond if it's straight up in their face, while others can only respond if it is over the top, you can not blame an artist for delivery. It's a good conversation.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 3, 2014 22:51:37 GMT -5
I don't know about Jews owning thrift shops (I've never heard that myself and I'm Jewish), but the stereotype is of Jews being extremely cheap. Singing a song about getting cheap shit at a thrift shop while having the giant nose and that kind of hair is a playing on a very old, negative stereotype about Jews. And now i am thinking of the racist moment in Clerks 2.
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Post by Cyno on Jun 3, 2014 23:15:54 GMT -5
I don't know about Jews owning thrift shops (I've never heard that myself and I'm Jewish), but the stereotype is of Jews being extremely cheap. Singing a song about getting cheap shit at a thrift shop while having the giant nose and that kind of hair is a playing on a very old, negative stereotype about Jews. And now i am thinking of the racist moment in Clerks 2. I wish I knew how to put the sheeny curse on someone.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 3, 2014 23:28:27 GMT -5
And now i am thinking of the racist moment in Clerks 2. I wish I knew how to put the sheeny curse on someone. If you find out, let me know. I am fascinated with Jewish culture.
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Post by salsashark on Jun 4, 2014 0:20:25 GMT -5
Macklemore is the fakest person alive. There is nothing more grating than his incessant white knighting for causes that have almost universal support, as if he's the only rapper in history to care about gay marriage or bullying. I don't personally see anything wrong with a rapper throwing his support out for a cause like gay marriage or bullying. Not exactly something you see too often, honestly. But yeah, I don't really get the hate for Macklemore in general. The guy's obviously talented and makes music that people like, what's the problem? As an article I read once put it, he is the Tofu of rap music -- very bland and very safe. Honestly, he's very, very white-liberal-friendly and easy to digest, so white folks can sync into his music easily without having to tackle much out of their comfort zone. This is one of those situations where I feel like part of the popularity is a race thing. I have a couple of white friends (women, if it's relevant here) who have never, ever expressed any interest in rap but both indicated to me that they really like Macklemore. They both have white, feminist-leaning, liberal values, so I'm sure they'd be put off by most rappers; even the guys I love throw around a "fag" here or just call women "hoes" or "bitches" there. If you have never really listened to rap music, I can imagine feeling instantly alienated or awkward around "n***a" or thinking it needlessly brings race in or something like that. I see the appeal of Macklemore in that way as some rap music that isn't as lame as Vanilla Ice or as angry as Eminem (the other two most successful white rappers) for someone who turns on the radio. For younger fans, I read him as a gateway drug into rap music from pop, sort of like how I used Good Charlotte to find Minor Threat and Social Distortion in 2002.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 0:31:35 GMT -5
I don't personally see anything wrong with a rapper throwing his support out for a cause like gay marriage or bullying. Not exactly something you see too often, honestly. But yeah, I don't really get the hate for Macklemore in general. The guy's obviously talented and makes music that people like, what's the problem? As an article I read once put it, he is the Tofu of rap music -- very bland and very safe. Honestly, he's very, very white-liberal-friendly and easy to digest, so white folks can sync into his music easily without having to tackle much out of their comfort zone. This is one of those situations where I feel like part of the popularity is a race thing.Not just part. A lot of it is. ...but then that's just me as I've been saying for quite a while that Macklemore ain't shit. Just another in the vein of Elvis, Miley Cyrus, Eminem, wack-ass Iggy Azalea...and those are just the ones that come to mind. Eminem ain't no saint and he's not really about shit either, but even dreck like Eminem outright admits that his race is a big reason why he got as big as he did. The problem with Macklemore is that he'll say some acceptable shit, but then join the chorus of people throwing the entire rap genre under the bus for being homophobic. Which is something he can do considering he's a white artist making money and gaining fame by swagger-jacking from a black artform. He's not like those "other" rappers.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 4, 2014 9:17:17 GMT -5
As an article I read once put it, he is the Tofu of rap music -- very bland and very safe. Honestly, he's very, very white-liberal-friendly and easy to digest, so white folks can sync into his music easily without having to tackle much out of their comfort zone. This is one of those situations where I feel like part of the popularity is a race thing.Not just part. A lot of it is. ...but then that's just me as I've been saying for quite a while that Macklemore ain't shit. Just another in the vein of Elvis, Miley Cyrus, Eminem, wack-ass Iggy Azalea...and those are just the ones that come to mind. Eminem ain't no saint and he's not really about shit either, but even dreck like Eminem outright admits that his race is a big reason why he got as big as he did. The problem with Macklemore is that he'll say some acceptable shit, but then join the chorus of people throwing the entire rap genre under the bus for being homophobic. Which is something he can do considering he's a white artist making money and gaining fame by swagger-jacking from a black artform. He's not like those "other" rappers. I actually don't think race played as big of a role into Eminem's success as even Eminem claims it does. If you look at the other breakthrough rappers of 98/99, Em was selling on par with them. DMX and Juvenile were as big of stars as Em was at one point because the three of them sounded so absolutely different than anyone else in rap, and their stuff was infectious enough to translate to the pop charts. Em kept up a greater consistency than the other two (he surrounded himself with enough major players to keep quality control high) and that's why he's become such an icon of the genre. But, let's be real, if 50 Cent or Kanye West were white, they wouldn't have been bigger in that same decade than they got. Same with Nelly. If race was THAT much of a door-opener, than how come that early 2000s wave of white rappers like Kain (who had the support of Bad Boy) and Lee Harvey (who had the f***ing Neptunes backing him) never did absolutely anything? Also, let's not perpetuate the myth that Elvis was huge just because he's a white guy who made black music. Elvis was an absolutely stellar entertainer, by far one of the greatest to ever, ever live. His live shows were electric and his charisma on record was off the charts. But I digress, the fact that Eminem is incredibly good looking made him much more palatable than just the fact that he's white. Dudes that dreamy with those skills just rise to the top.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 10:16:05 GMT -5
As an article I read once put it, he is the Tofu of rap music -- very bland and very safe. Honestly, he's very, very white-liberal-friendly and easy to digest, so white folks can sync into his music easily without having to tackle much out of their comfort zone. This is one of those situations where I feel like part of the popularity is a race thing.The problem with Macklemore is that he'll say some acceptable shit, but then join the chorus of people throwing the entire rap genre under the bus for being homophobic. Which is something he can do considering he's a white artist making money and gaining fame by swagger-jacking from a black artform. . I'm probably just misunderstanding what you're saying because its early over here, but you're making it sound like throwing rap under the bus for being homophobic is a bad thing? But like I said, I'm probably misunderstanding you because rap, rock, whatever should be thrown under the bus if the predominance of their most popular acts are intensely homophobic. They should be held accountable and thrown under several busses. Also, I think you're kinda drawing a line in the sand when you intimate negative connotations with a white artist gaining fame from a musical genre pioneered by black people and then critiquing the pitfalls of said genre. What is he supposed to do? Not rap? Or he does rap, not point out the homophobic and sexist tones in the most popular forms of the genre? I would think thats encumbent upon him to speak out about the problems in hiphop since his stock is so high right now and his most popular songs are about tolerance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 10:43:30 GMT -5
I actually don't think race played as big of a role into Eminem's success as even Eminem claims it does. If you look at the other breakthrough rappers of 98/99, Em was selling on par with them. DMX and Juvenile were as big of stars as Em was at one point because the three of them sounded so absolutely different than anyone else in rap, and their stuff was infectious enough to translate to the pop charts. Em kept up a greater consistency than the other two (he surrounded himself with enough major players to keep quality control high) and that's why he's become such an icon of the genre. But, let's be real, if 50 Cent or Kanye West were white, they wouldn't have been bigger in that same decade than they got. Same with Nelly. I know a lot of people would claim that Eminem's race didn't play much of a role in his success, but with the history of the country affecting the music genre as it has and considering Eminem himself cops to this, I dunno what else can be said. Part of Em surrounding himself with the people he did was about maintaining credibility with a certain audience as much as it was quality. Sure, Em might have been selling on par with the black contemporaries at the time, but the buzz and accolades around Em were totally different. Sure people loved X, but any time the mainstream talked about Eminem is was damn near in reverence. How he was "transcending" the genre. How he was one of the best rappers alive. How he made rap into an art form. Even with all the sleazy shit Em was rapping about, Eminem was rap god for a minute. There's a clear implication with the type of slobbering a lot of people did over Eminem. Ain't nobody saying you'd automatically succeed just by being a white person. I'm saying the bar for having skills is certainly different and if you actually succeed, the ceiling for your success is much higher than it is for any comparable black artist doing our own music. A black person having to work twice as hard to get half as much... Elvis was marketable as hell. A lot of his marketability really did relate to the fact he was a white dude doing black music. I mean, the dude came up in the 50's and 60's... I'm not even talking about his talents as an entertainer here. You can't really just decide Eminem's race doesn't matter, though. Especially when you talk about how his looks played a factor. Em is going to be just as white off that stage as he is on. He doesn't suddenly become raceless.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 4, 2014 10:47:07 GMT -5
On a similar note chazraps, what's your feelings on Brand Nubian's Lord Jamar's comments that white rappers are "guests" in hip-hop where he basically said that white people don't deserve as much of a voice in rap as blacks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:09:46 GMT -5
I'm probably just misunderstanding what you're saying because its early over here, but you're making it sound like throwing rap under the bus for being homophobic is a bad thing? But like I said, I'm probably misunderstanding you because rap, rock, whatever should be thrown under the bus if the predominance of their most popular acts are intensely homophobic. They should be held accountable and thrown under several busses. Also, I think you're kinda drawing a line in the sand when you intimate negative connotations with a white artist gaining fame from a musical genre pioneered by black people and then critiquing the pitfalls of said genre. What is he supposed to do? Not rap? Or he does rap, not point out the homophobic and sexist tones in the most popular forms of the genre? I would think thats encumbent upon him to speak out about the problems in hiphop since his stock is so high right now and his most popular songs are about tolerance. You are misunderstanding me. Macklemore, as a white rapper, is both an outsider and highly visible representative of the entire genre. The outsider status he has as a white dude insulates him when he throws rap under the bus, which is sleazy (but not surprising) shit considering what he has to thank for his success. What's wrong with that is it completely ignores all the black rappers who have said the same damn thing for much longer than he has, but will never have the platform. So when Macklemore talks shit, he just becomes another irresponsible white dude in the chorus of mainstream media demonizing a genre of music still connected to black people while using it to make lots of money. Yep. Yes, I am drawing a line in the sand. Sometimes it has to be like that. And I'm not asking him to shut up, though that would be awesome and nothing of value would be lost if Macklemore stopped being a thing tomorrow. I'm asking him to have some damn self-awareness about who he is and what he's doing. I personally think that's an acceptable standard for a grown-ass man. ...but considering this dude just got through stumbling through a fake apology about dressing up as an Anti-Semetic stereotype, I doubt he's ever going to meet that standard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 11:19:35 GMT -5
I'm probably just misunderstanding what you're saying because its early over here, but you're making it sound like throwing rap under the bus for being homophobic is a bad thing? But like I said, I'm probably misunderstanding you because rap, rock, whatever should be thrown under the bus if the predominance of their most popular acts are intensely homophobic. They should be held accountable and thrown under several busses. Also, I think you're kinda drawing a line in the sand when you intimate negative connotations with a white artist gaining fame from a musical genre pioneered by black people and then critiquing the pitfalls of said genre. What is he supposed to do? Not rap? Or he does rap, not point out the homophobic and sexist tones in the most popular forms of the genre? I would think thats encumbent upon him to speak out about the problems in hiphop since his stock is so high right now and his most popular songs are about tolerance. You are misunderstanding me. Macklemore, as a white rapper, is both an outsider and highly visible representative of the entire genre. The outsider status he has as a white dude insulates him when he throws rap under the bus, which is sleazy (but not surprising) shit considering what he has to thank for his success. What's wrong with that is it completely ignores all the black rappers who have said the same damn thing for much longer than he has, but will never have the platform. So when Macklemore talks shit, he just becomes another irresponsible white dude in the chorus of mainstream media demonizing a genre of music still connected to black people while using it to make lots of money. Yep. Yes, I am drawing a line in the sand. Sometimes it has to be like that. And I'm not asking him to shut up, though that would be awesome and nothing of value would be lost if Macklemore stopped being a thing tomorrow. I'm asking him to have some damn self-awareness about who he is and what he's doing. I personally think that's an acceptable standard for a grown-ass man. ...but considering this dude just got through stumbling through a fake apology about dressing up as an Anti-Semetic stereotype, I doubt he's ever going to meet that standard. I think I know what you mean, but how does him saying the same thing other black rappers have said mean he's ignoring what they said? That's probably a bad sentence, haha! I mean... how does him saying rap is full of homophobic stuff ignore what people have said before? If anything he's reinforcing what they're saying. he's agreeing with them. Also, I've never seen him demonize rap, but I haven't read a lot of interviews with the guy. And shouldn't black rappers have the same self-awareness for a grown man and NOT rap about hate speech? (not saying all do, but the ones that do).
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