mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jun 23, 2014 0:13:16 GMT -5
It's hilarious that he ended the Summer of Punk and began Punk's lengthy title reign.
And the casuals will likely forget he was involved in either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 0:15:30 GMT -5
I feel bad for him because people underrate just how insanely talented he is because of poor booking decisions combined with some shitty meme that no one ever cared about him. It's definitely frustrating. How can it be a meme when it's completely true?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 0:33:46 GMT -5
I feel bad for him because people underrate just how insanely talented he is because of poor booking decisions combined with some shitty meme that no one ever cared about him. It's definitely frustrating. How can it be a meme when it's completely true? I know you mean recently, but the post said 'that no one ever cared about him' when he's been over like rover a fair few times, so it's an inherently untrue meme in that regard. The amount of times I've seen people post about him never being cared for even in his initial run (break Rey's arms, break other's arms, be seen as a legit heel who then got curbed by moronic Edge/Christian booking at Wrestlemania/Extreme Rules) is startling. Then you get people saying he wasn't cheered in his babyface turn at the start of 2013 when he was insanely over in those matches with Show, and incredibly cheered against Swagger...until they decided to give the racist heel more character depth without writing anything in story terms to make ADR look in control/smart at any point. Then you've got people claiming the only reason ADR got booed and turned heel later on in 2013 against Dolph Ziggler is 100% because Dolph Ziggler is such a fan favourite. ADR's ability to beat the crap out of people and make it look real made Ziggler more of a face, and ADR's Rock like ability to work heel or react to an audience as a face/heel in gestures/expressions if he's getting booed/cheered regardless of his kayfabe alignment. You can't do a duet with one singer, and you can't do a GOOD duet without two good vocalists that compliment each other. Sometimes our own opinion of recent history shades and changes what happened in the past, it's like a frustratingly cynical Back to the Future on here at times. Signed, An ardent ADR fan.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 23, 2014 0:37:52 GMT -5
That's a lot of perrographs. Sigh....I weep for our future. But to the OP, and not to drag politics into this too much, but I think a major blow to Del Rio's face run was trying to recapture the whole Eddie/JBL thing with Swagger and Zeb, when in this current climate, half the country kind of agreed with Zeb.....it really kind of killed the sympathy Del Rio needed for that feud to work properly.....plus, ADR didn't have the year plus of getting over as a face that Eddie had.....plus, even though ADR is talented.....he's no Eddie Guerrero. To make things worse, the long overlooked Dolph Ziggler would then cash in his MITB briefcase on him, and the crowd's excitement at that moment pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of ADR's face run, and his career has never really recovered from that.
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Post by FAR5222 on Jun 23, 2014 0:46:12 GMT -5
How can you forget Elimination Chamber and the Raw after it against Batista. Del Rio was so over that I wish douchetista and a face ADR had a feud.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jun 23, 2014 0:49:43 GMT -5
ADR's career has been one of many mistakes, to the point where I am now just begging for him to go away.
You mentioned his Delusional Peoples Champion character OP, but IIRC, they changed his character back to Standard Aggressive Heel #62 pretty quickly. I think that character could've really been entertaining. And not only that, but as you said, ADR really needed that victory over Cena at NOC, but for some reason, SuperCena ensued.
His face run at first was really entertaining, but they ruined that by having face Big Show 21 times, and having his big WM Fued ruined by weed. The WHC match at WM felt like a 2008 US Title match, not a world title match.
Had they had Ziggler eventually beat ADR and reclaim the title after the double turn, it could have done wonders for both of them, and heck, the WHC would still probably be around, as I choose to believe that it was the lack of direction in heel ADRs title run that really killed that belt dead.
ADR is one heck of a talent, and a guy who truly was a big deal, fairly quick. It's a sad end for him, that nowadays he is continuously met with crowd apathy.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 23, 2014 1:20:38 GMT -5
I still think Del Rio/Swagger could have been bigger if WWE didn't pussy out with Zeb and Swagger. Have them basically rip off JBL's border patrol and do stuff like that, Swagger tossing illegals over a fence while Zeb cheered him on, then Del Rio shows up and makes the save. But once people got actually offended at Zeb's tame illegal alien promos, which can't fly in today's corporate and child friendly WWE (though no one's complained about the xenophobic racist Rusev shit yet but I digress) and then add on Swagger's getting busted for weed...yeah there was no was the build up was gonna be anything good or major with those two things looming over their heads. It would have also helped if they'd built up Swagger a little before he was shoved into the title picture. Guy leaves for a bit as a total jobber, and returns as a main eventer out of nowhere. Del Rio really needed a more legitimate heel to work with at that point. Is this not exactly how JBL became a main eventer? I don't even think he was off TV at all, one week, he was APA Bradshaw, the next, he was JBL.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 23, 2014 1:41:06 GMT -5
It would have also helped if they'd built up Swagger a little before he was shoved into the title picture. Guy leaves for a bit as a total jobber, and returns as a main eventer out of nowhere. Del Rio really needed a more legitimate heel to work with at that point. Is this not exactly how JBL became a main eventer? I don't even think he was off TV at all, one week, he was APA Bradshaw, the next, he was JBL. Yeah, but the difference is WWE wasn't so starved for main eventers like 2004 SmackDown was. It wasn't like Swagger was their only, or best, option.
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Post by TGM on Jun 23, 2014 2:53:43 GMT -5
You were making sense until you called Awesome Truth godawful.
One of the best heel acts in recent memory.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 23, 2014 3:05:48 GMT -5
I mean as someone who was at WrestleMania 29, I can tell you that the crowd wasn't fair to Del Rio at all. The SECOND the bell rang, the crowd started chanting "WE WANT ZIGGLER" despite the fact that production was setting up the stage for Living Colour's performance for CM Punk, which should have been a clear indicator that Ziggler wasn't going to bash through a bunch of musical instruments to cash in. Then when they went to a video package, indicating that the Del Rio part of the show was over, the crowd moaned audibly. He had no chance from the start and that probably wasn't fair to the guy
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 23, 2014 3:10:43 GMT -5
The Del Rio vs. Swagger angle deserved to die the moment they had Alberto Del Rio claim that he was "American Made."
Alberto had already been portrayed as a Mexican Aristocrat who had inherited and bought his way to success, and was only in the country for personal glory. Once they went with pretending that the last three years of character development never happened, it was done.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Jun 23, 2014 3:19:22 GMT -5
Yes, Edge burried him like he burried Ziggler, in old HHH fashion. But Del Rio sucks, there's no doubt in my mind. He's been given 4 or 5 strong pushes over the years, and just doesn't have the "it" factor to have people interested. A guy like that can only be a transitional champ...for the IC title!! In my opinion he's fine as a JTTS and should never ever come back on the main event scene. He's more than capable in the ring but he's just one dimensional and repetitive. A few years ago I made a thread about how you could reivent Del Rio (have a look here)...Some people said "Hey, he's fine, just give it time", but more than 2 years later he didn't change one bit. He just dropped the only things that did make him stand out aka the announcer and the fancy cars. If you drop that, at least replace it with something new! But no, nothing, absolutely nothing new or creative. I think he and the (un)creative are just lazy and they just gave up on him when they saw he would never be very over. From time to time Vince might wake up in the morning with the idea that they need to work on the latino demographic, and ask creative to think about something. After 5 minutes of stunned silence, some guy drop the "well, let's push Del Rio, make him agressive and beat Sin Cara", and that's it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 23, 2014 8:31:54 GMT -5
The Del Rio vs. Swagger angle deserved to die the moment they had Alberto Del Rio claim that he was "American Made." The funniest part of this is of course his "Hecho en Mexico" tattoo...
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Post by cabbageboy on Jun 23, 2014 8:51:54 GMT -5
The bigger problem to me with the Del Rio vs. Swagger feud is that Del Rio himself had made several anti illegal alien comments over the years and made a point to note he was there purely because WWE practically begged an aristocrat like himself to be there. This wouldn't have been a problem had they not put him in a feud with someone as politically charged as Swagger and Zeb, and it's not like he ever really retracted his past statements.
The best way to turn Del Rio would have been to have the guy lose all his money and suddenly find himself a commoner.
But now? He's just this guy. No Ricardo announcing him. No cool cars. Bah. It saddens me that we never got an Eddie vs. ADR feud, which could have been the blue collar Mexican vs. aristocratic Mexican feud. Low riders vs. expensive sports cars. The matches would have been fantastic.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 23, 2014 9:06:42 GMT -5
At this point, I think any push that didn't involve him holding on his finish too long would immediately save his career and get him over.
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Post by Perd on Jun 23, 2014 10:25:57 GMT -5
That's a lot of perrographs. Sigh....I weep for our future. But to the OP, and not to drag politics into this too much, but I think a major blow to Del Rio's face run was trying to recapture the whole Eddie/JBL thing with Swagger and Zeb, when in this current climate, half the country kind of agreed with Zeb.....it really kind of killed the sympathy Del Rio needed for that feud to work properly.....plus, ADR didn't have the year plus of getting over as a face that Eddie had.....plus, even though ADR is talented.....he's no Eddie Guerrero. To make things worse, the long overlooked Dolph Ziggler would then cash in his MITB briefcase on him, and the crowd's excitement at that moment pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of ADR's face run, and his career has never really recovered from that. I weep for your ability to be in on a joke.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 23, 2014 10:28:45 GMT -5
He was never suited to the Million Dollar Juan gimmick
He didn't possess the personality to play it.
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Post by barelybeastmode on Jun 23, 2014 12:34:09 GMT -5
Truthfully I rather like Del Rio. The problem for me is he's almost on Cena levels of stale to me. He doesn't offer any real motivation or convincing reasons behind why he says and does the things he does. Pretty much the things I need to care about what's happening in any medium I invest my time in. I simply can't be bothered to care about him or his constant title chase.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 23, 2014 12:40:23 GMT -5
Sigh....I weep for our future. But to the OP, and not to drag politics into this too much, but I think a major blow to Del Rio's face run was trying to recapture the whole Eddie/JBL thing with Swagger and Zeb, when in this current climate, half the country kind of agreed with Zeb.....it really kind of killed the sympathy Del Rio needed for that feud to work properly.....plus, ADR didn't have the year plus of getting over as a face that Eddie had.....plus, even though ADR is talented.....he's no Eddie Guerrero. To make things worse, the long overlooked Dolph Ziggler would then cash in his MITB briefcase on him, and the crowd's excitement at that moment pretty much put the final nail in the coffin of ADR's face run, and his career has never really recovered from that. I weep for your ability to be in on a joke. What joke? That you don't like to read and can't spell a word a sixth grader could spell? Maybe a meme I'm missing or something but it just looks like a comment made by someone that needs to use their dictionary/read more.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 23, 2014 12:45:57 GMT -5
the joke is ADR says Perro a lot.
so perrograph.
That's the joke he was making.
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