saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Jun 24, 2014 2:52:58 GMT -5
It is stunning how many main eventers and true uppercard talents have left for one reason or another since 2009:
Jeff Hardy: chose to leave in the midst of the biggest push of his career because ... meth.
Edge: Career-ending injury.
Undertaker: Was still doing a handful of PPV matches in 2009, soon after went to one match a year and even that is over or will be soon enough.
Triple H: Full-time main eventer to part-time wrestler and full-time Authority figure.
Shawn Michaels: Retired.
Rey Mysterio: What does he do now, three matches a year before another injury? Soon to be gone for good.
CM Punk: Was already talking retirement a few years ago and seems to have finally packed it in.
JBL: Ended his run in early 2009 but had been an uppercard staple not too long before.
Chris Jericho: Here today, gone tomorrow for some time, but was a huge presence in 2009.
Batista: Went away and when he came back, nobody wanted him around anymore.
That's not to mention Umaga, who was released for wellness in 2009 and then passed away as a result of his drug problem -- could have stayed in the uppercard as a monster heel for some time, presumably (say in the role Kane is in today).
I'm probably forgetting someone, but is a massive loss of guys who all were still main eventing or in high uppercard positions just five years ago. Not sure WWE has lost that much established star-power talent in such a span in some time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 2:59:05 GMT -5
What's even more stunning is the fact that the "next generation" crew of 2006-2011 (Ziggler, Kofi, Ryder, Miz, Huncara and ect) have either been pushed to the bottom of the ladder or have left the company either by their own terms or by termination. Never in my years of watching WWE have I seen an entire "era" of stars damn near skipped compared to other eras. It's even worse considering those you've named up there have left. The WWE straight skipped these dudes and went straight to the NXT crew.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 24, 2014 3:44:40 GMT -5
What's even more stunning is the fact that the "next generation" crew of 2006-2011 (Ziggler, Kofi, Ryder, Miz, Huncara and ect) have either been pushed to the bottom of the ladder or have left the company either by their own terms or by termination. Never in my years of watching WWE have I seen an entire "era" of stars damn near skipped compared to other eras. It's even worse considering those you've named up there have left. The WWE straight skipped these dudes and went straight to the NXT crew. I wouldn't say the FCW era is completely dead yet. Sheamus is the one guy from FCW that flat out made it to the top and stayed there for quite a bit of time. Bad News Barrett is also on a hot streak right now, and could still make it. Though Kofi, Ziggler, and Miz have seen brighter days, they are still maintaining a presence on the roster, and as Barrett has shown, one small change could re-invigorate their careers. While they aren't direct products of the FCW developmental system, Daniel Bryan and Cesaro are still representatives of this generation. |
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Jun 24, 2014 3:51:14 GMT -5
they weren't main eventers but both John Morrison and Drew McIntyre were big deals in 2009 and both are now gone.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 24, 2014 3:55:23 GMT -5
What's even more stunning is the fact that the "next generation" crew of 2006-2011 (Ziggler, Kofi, Ryder, Miz, Huncara and ect) have either been pushed to the bottom of the ladder or have left the company either by their own terms or by termination. Never in my years of watching WWE have I seen an entire "era" of stars damn near skipped compared to other eras. It's even worse considering those you've named up there have left. The WWE straight skipped these dudes and went straight to the NXT crew. I wouldn't say the FCW era is completely dead yet. Sheamus is the one guy from FCW that flat out made it to the top and stayed there for quite a bit of time. Bad News Barrett is also on a hot streak right now, and could still make it. Though Kofi, Ziggler, and Miz have seen brighter days, they are still maintaining a presence on the roster, and as Barrett has shown, one small change could re-invigorate their careers. While they aren't direct products of the FCW developmental system, Daniel Bryan and Cesaro are still representatives of this generation. It feels like they value Miz more as a "movie star" than as a wrestler. He can never gain any footing because they keep putting him on hiatus to do random projects. And WWE has seemingly retconned Cesaro as being more of an NXT product than a FCW one. One small change could reinvigorate anyone's career, but the writers simply aren't paying any attention to these guys. |
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Post by ibdude on Jun 24, 2014 10:18:29 GMT -5
They really dropped the ball with Kofi. He had a huge reaction against Orton at the Garden and then he was jobbing again.
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Post by King Bebe on Jun 24, 2014 10:28:32 GMT -5
I like to pretend 2009 never happened.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jun 24, 2014 10:35:03 GMT -5
I didn't watch in 2009 or 2010 but when i got back into the game in 2011 it seemed pretty much the same as when I had left minus HBK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 11:15:25 GMT -5
I like to pretend 2009 never happened. Your loss. 2009 Was pretty good for the most part. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 24, 2014 11:21:43 GMT -5
The most amazing thing is WWE's reluctance to build new top line stars to replace them.
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Post by King Bebe on Jun 24, 2014 11:32:47 GMT -5
I like to pretend 2009 never happened. Your loss. 2009 Was pretty good for the most part. Were we watching the same show? Guest Hosts, Little Peoples Court, Hornswoggle vs Chavo, Cena vs Big Show, ECW, Legacy, the Never ending Cena/Orton feud, THAT HHH/Orton feud... Need I continue? The only good things about 2009 for me were probably Hardy vs Punk and Sheamus shocking everyone by winning the title. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 24, 2014 11:33:53 GMT -5
I was watching in 2009, but like every wrestling year since about 2001, I can no longer remember much about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 12:37:51 GMT -5
I think it's good that we've had a roster turnover. Back in 2009, everyone was complaining about how stale the roster was. Now those people are gone for the most part.
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Post by RIHT on Jun 24, 2014 13:09:23 GMT -5
It's even more amazing that John Cena's been in the main event for so long. His main event run has been as long or longer than the careers of The Rock, Hulk Hogan, and Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jun 24, 2014 13:15:03 GMT -5
There was also the OVW era of 2002-2005 - all of the prospective stars except for Cena, Lesnar, and Orton from that era are just flat out gone, but they had a much less impressive midcard phase than the FCW crowd.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jun 24, 2014 13:23:38 GMT -5
Your loss. 2009 Was pretty good for the most part. Were we watching the same show? Guest Hosts, Little Peoples Court, Hornswoggle vs Chavo, Cena vs Big Show, ECW, Legacy, the Never ending Cena/Orton feud, THAT HHH/Orton feud... Need I continue? The only good things about 2009 for me were probably Hardy vs Punk and Sheamus shocking everyone by winning the title. I'll give you all that shit that happened on Raw, it really did suck a big bucket of dicks. But ECW that year was amazing, they stopped pretending it was the actual ECW and just let it be a nice little hour of great wrestling with guys like Christian, Regal, and yes Zack Ryder too, having awesome matches. And Smackdown that summer was awesome with Punk/Hardy/Edge/JeriShow/Morrison/Ziggler/Mysterio. Makes me glad I didn't have cable that summer and only watched Smackdown. |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 24, 2014 13:39:45 GMT -5
I was watching in 2009, but like every wrestling year since about 2001, I can no longer remember much about it. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has that problem. The last thing I remember with any certainty is WrestleMania XX BLUR BLUR BLUR BLUR Nexus Invasion BLUR BLUR BLUR BLUR CM Punk shoot promo BLUR BLUR BLUR BLUR Daniel Bryan winning at WrestleMania XXX And we're in the midst of a BLUR. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jun 24, 2014 14:12:32 GMT -5
WWE almost refuses to move on. They get invested in these young guys early on and expect to ride them for at least a decade. Cena is about to hit 10 years of being a top guy. Thats longer than Hogan (9), longer than Bret (5), longer than Austin (5), and while yeah Bruno was the top guy for 15 years, that was a different era.
Orton has been on top for 11 years
Triple H, while a part-timer for 15 years
Undertaker, while a part-timer for 23 years.
Kane for 16 years.
Del Rio for 3 years.
Sheamus for almost 5 years (wrap your head around that).
Rey Mysterio for 8 years.
Big Show for 15 years.
Wrestling, to me has had little to no change since 2008. It feels like we're still in that 08/09 era. Since 09 we've had randoms in the Main Event and those who didn't make it after their initial push just floundered hard. This is the list of Main Eventers since 2009:
1.Edge (retired)
2.Chris Jericho (part-timer)
3.Mike Knox (released 2010)
4.Jeff Hardy (released 2009)
5.CM Punk (left this year)
6.Cody Rhodes (essentially a mid-carder)
7.Ted DiBiase (released 2013)
8.Shawn Michaels (retired 2010)
9.John Morrison (released 2011)
10.Batista (released 2010, returned briefly this year)
11.Daniel Bryan (still a top guy but injured with an uncertain career atm)
12.Bret Hart (well, ya know...)
13.R-Truth (pretty much a jobber now)
14.Wade Barrett (Upper Midcarder at best)
15.Justin Gabriel (either jobbing or just wasting away)
16.Heath Slater (jobber)
17.David Otunga (hardly ever shows up on TV)
18.Ryback (wasting away in the midcard)
19.Michael Tarver (released 2011)
20.Darren Young (wasting away)
21.The Miz (rarely ever wrestles)
22.The Rock (barely ever around)
23.Brock Lesnar (part-timer, comes around like maybe twice a year for a story line)
24.John Laurinitis (do I even need to say?)
25.Dolph Ziggler (floundering around as a Mid-Carder, mostly jobs)
26.Rob Van Dam (part-timer)
27.Christian (always injured)
Its bad. It feels like we're stuck. This may just very well be the New Generation of this era.
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