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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jul 4, 2014 2:49:42 GMT -5
Rape or not, I'm sick to f***ing death of that Song.. Every bloody where I go it still plays.
It wasn't even that great a song to begin with
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jul 4, 2014 3:41:56 GMT -5
Oh, it's still cool to talk about Blurred Lines supposedly condoning rape? That's so 2013. Look, everything is secretly condoning rape if you want it to. And you know you want it. I don't even like Thicke but seriously, when did "you know you want it" translate into "I will force myself onto you whether you like it or not"? Yes, rape is a real and important issue, and that's why people need to stop desperately twisting every random thing to declare them to be condoning rape or being part of "rape culture" or whatever nonsense buzzword they can come up with because it just cheapens the message by making it look like outrage over rape is just an overreaction. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 4, 2014 3:51:18 GMT -5
Oh, it's still cool to talk about Blurred Lines supposedly condoning rape? That's so 2013. Look, everything is secretly condoning rape if you want it to. And you know you want it. I don't even like Thicke but seriously, when did "you know you want it" translate into "I will force myself onto you whether you like it or not"? Yes, rape is a real and important issue, and that's why people need to stop desperately twisting every random thing to declare them to be condoning rape or being part of "rape culture" or whatever nonsense buzzword they can come up with because it just cheapens the message by making it look like outrage over rape is just an overreaction. I don't think it was about rape, but he didn't help himself in the song by singing 'you know you want it' in an INCREDIBLY creepy tone of voice. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 4, 2014 4:43:12 GMT -5
Guy just comes across as a sleazy creep. Like, he is about as sleazy as the Joey Ryan gimmick.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 4, 2014 5:53:33 GMT -5
The song isn't much worse than gangsta rap, in fact it's probably better than some stuff that even I listen to.
The video though? Is something else. It's worse than gangsta rap videos, because in those while they may be objectifying the women, they are at least paying f***ing attention to them. The women are at least objects to them, they're going 'look how hot this girl I'm with is.' The Blurred Lines video just has the women as props that don't even get acknowledged unless it's getting smoke blown in their face.
Also never mind Thicke's part of the lyrics, how about the 'I've something big enough to tear your ass in two' bit from TI?
Or how about that Tumblr account where rape victims have shown that almost every single lyric in the song has been said by a rapist to their victim?
edit: The other thing is that he doesn't even seem to see that it's open to interpretation. He just seems to go 'no this song is about women because I love women.' Can he not even see where the controversy comes from? That's one of the more worrying bits for me.
And also naming his album after a wife he's not seen in four months when he's stopped wearing his wedding ring? That's basically emotional blackmail.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jul 4, 2014 6:08:37 GMT -5
Look, everything is secretly condoning rape if you want it to. And you know you want it. I don't even like Thicke but seriously, when did "you know you want it" translate into "I will force myself onto you whether you like it or not"? Yes, rape is a real and important issue, and that's why people need to stop desperately twisting every random thing to declare them to be condoning rape or being part of "rape culture" or whatever nonsense buzzword they can come up with because it just cheapens the message by making it look like outrage over rape is just an overreaction. I don't think it was about rape, but he didn't help himself in the song by singing 'you know you want it' in an INCREDIBLY creepy tone of voice. It's still gratuitously accusing someone of condoning rape over the mother of all nitpicks. |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 4, 2014 6:23:42 GMT -5
Well that song sucks, that's really all I can contribute.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jul 4, 2014 6:25:41 GMT -5
Didn't he sue Marvin Gaye's family after stealing his song? Dude can EAD. "Magiconz EAD Bar and Grill. Eat a fried dick, eat a grilled one. Try our new bag of dicks combo meal! Big or small, we've got dicks for all!" "Now available in every supermarket, Magiconz's Microwavable bag of dicks! So you can eat a warm bag of dicks on the go, wherever you are!" Anyhoo, the song's creepy, but it was seriously overblown by the standard militant tumblr feminists. And he's got a creepy face too. But that's just a personal opinion. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 4, 2014 6:52:37 GMT -5
"See, Marvin Gaye's song goes ding ding ding da da ding ding...ding ding ding da da ding ding. Our song goes ding ding ding da da ding ding...ding DING ding ding da da ding ding. That little bitty ding, see it's not the same"
-Robin Thicke
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Jul 4, 2014 8:04:26 GMT -5
The rape innuendo aside, I just think that Robin Thicke is callous for wanting to sue the estate of the man who created the goddamn song in the first place.
That's a red flag that the "artist" you may be listening to is a total con-artist.
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Post by Piccolo on Jul 4, 2014 9:30:22 GMT -5
Or how about that Tumblr account where rape victims have shown that almost every single lyric in the song has been said by a rapist to their victim? What kind of proof is that, though?  It's entirely likely that those same lyrics have also been said by a suitor that a woman was attracted to and had a consensual encounter with later. Does that mean the song is unambiguously consensual? Rape is a crime that can involve sexual comments and innuendo from the perpetrator, since it is forcible sex. That doesn't mean that all sex and sexual come-ons are now rape-y. Re: the "I got something big enough..." line, he's bragging about how big he is. What else is new? He's trying to attract her with that boast, not threaten her. The video is totally sexist, though. No question about it. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 4, 2014 9:32:31 GMT -5
Or how about that Tumblr account where rape victims have shown that almost every single lyric in the song has been said by a rapist to their victim? What kind of proof is that, though? It's entirely likely that those same lyrics have also been said by a suitor that a woman was attracted to and had a consensual encounter with later. Does that mean the song is unambiguously consensual? Rape is a crime that can involve sexual comments and innuendo from the perpetrator, since it is forcible sex. That doesn't mean that all sex and sexual come-ons are now rape-y. Re: the "I got something big enough..." line, he's bragging about how big he is. What else is new? He's trying to attract her with that boast, not threaten her. The video is totally sexist, though. No question about it. You have a point, but it's the combination of all these things that's the issue. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 4, 2014 9:33:56 GMT -5
Well that song sucks, that's really all I can contribute. This cannot be said enough. |
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 4, 2014 9:36:25 GMT -5
The rape innuendo aside, I just think that Robin Thicke is callous for wanting to sue the estate of the man who created the goddamn song in the first place. That's a red flag that the "artist" you may be listening to is a total con-artist. He did what, now? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 10:33:54 GMT -5
I always thought the blurred lines thing was because they were smoking weed from Jamaica.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 4, 2014 10:34:53 GMT -5
Read the lyrics.
There's nothing in there that can be construed as 'rape-y' unless you're trying to make it that way.
Clearly, clearly what it's about is him hitting on a woman that's trying to be "good"; and he's telling her 'nah, you no you wanna be bad.'
It's dudebro douchey, but it ain't rapist speak.
Seriously, stop that.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 4, 2014 11:24:39 GMT -5
I think it's also what people consider rape, and well, consent in general, and consent is the issue people complain about. He hates these blurred lines. He believes this girl wants to get with him, but doesn't really know definitively. Taking someone else who is in a relationship with another person is one thing, but it seems that he's placing his thoughts and beliefs onto what he wants and what he thinks she wants to do. If she did want him, there wouldn't be any blurred lines, there would be obvious pictures.
So let's get off the subject of the song for a second and go to the bar. A guy is pursuing a girl, and he thinks that, based on how she's dressed, how she's dancing or whatever, or even if she's dancing with the guy, that must mean she wants something. The issue people have with the song is there doesn't seem to be any indication of the girl wanting anything to do with him. It's all assumptions, and that's the crux of argument. He doesn't care what the girl wants or doesn't want, it's just what he assumes she wants, and that's where the consent issue comes into play, where her consent is irrelevant
I have heard other arguments as well like the objectifying with the animalistic talk, but a lot of songs have that. I also do know about people who have been raped quoting the lyrics to this song as what their rapists said to them, but I also do admit that can be an argument from emotion, in saying, this song is bad, look, rape victims. People say it's about rape, well, it's not necessarily, but it starts out like it's potentially a rape that is going to happen eventually, based on how he clearly wants to have sex with the person, and the only thing we know about the girl is, well, nothing. We just know what Robin Thicke thinks he knows. It bugs people because a lot of girls deal with harassment like this all the time. Sometimes it just ends with them telling the guy to f*** off, other times, it doesn't end well.
It's also that rape, a lot of the times the victim is blamed for say, the way they looked. Maybe it was those jeans she had on, and like, what are dreams for when she has them on? Girls are blamed for potentially leading the guy on, like maybe the way they grabbed the guy. She must want to get nasty, right? Now, as brought up before, I think it probably would have gone away and have all been a big misunderstanding if Robin Thicke got the criticism, and he doesn't. He's shown himself to be a misogynistic douche, so that just adds meaning on top of it. Especially if it's supposed to be about his wife, and now that she's gone, he clearly has boundary issues. The meaning I think mostly comes from him, and how he acts.
I will admit that I was told about the story before hearing the song, which may make me bias. Funny story. I was in the car, and me and my girlfriend were listening to the radio. And this song comes on, and I'm like, what is this shit, this sounds terrible. And my girlfriend says, "That's Robin Thicke". And I'm like, "oh, the rape guy". Again, the controversy of the song would go away if Robin Thicke wasn't such a misgyonist douche and people could actually see him not giving a f*** about the girl's consent.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 4, 2014 11:29:24 GMT -5
Point blank: it's a stupid interpretation that is easily shot down by even a cursory look at the lyrics.
There's no way to frame it otherwise without just making shit up.
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Post by MasonK565 on Jul 4, 2014 11:35:13 GMT -5
Point blank: it's a stupid interpretation that is easily shot down by even a cursory look at the lyrics. There's no way to frame it otherwise without just making shit up. In defense, you're stubborn view on other "stupid" interpretations holds just as much meaningless weight as those that do see it "rapey." |
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 4, 2014 11:39:40 GMT -5
I guess also, rape does have a very negative context and obvious meaning. He's not raping her. Gross sexual harassment, yes. The fact there are "blurred lines" to begin with probably doesn't help, as it kinda makes the lyrics have a different meaning. I think if there wasn't blurred lines, and it was completely obvious that it was someone who wanted to f*** him, I guess, maybe call the song "Obvious pictures", it would have a completely different meaning.
I was thinking when writing that post there as well that, well, a lot of songs just give the viewpoint of the singer. But, then I remembered, oh wait, he hates these blurred lines. He thinks he knows what she wants, but doesn't truly know and he's just like, well, I'll just continue hitting on her anyway. It's again with people who report or have issues with this, I told him no, but he didn't believe me. He says, "I know you want it."
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It's entirely likely that those same lyrics have also been said by a suitor that a woman was attracted to and had a consensual encounter with later. Does that mean the song is unambiguously consensual? Rape is a crime that can involve sexual comments and innuendo from the perpetrator, since it is forcible sex. That doesn't mean that all sex and sexual come-ons are now rape-y. 
