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Post by WesternSloth on Aug 5, 2014 11:33:46 GMT -5
He's thrown harder shots at Flair in the past. Much harder. They did that NXT taping a while back so they must have squashed a lot of bad blood. Plus Bret changed his Twitter photo, finally, to the two if ten shaking hands.
Interesting watching the very first Bret shoot with RF and how he speaks about Flair. He mentions to in ring styles clash, but goes out if his way to say he is a class act, ad a great technician.
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Post by johnnytightlips on Aug 8, 2014 13:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 8, 2014 17:39:17 GMT -5
WOW, so the plan for the 1993 Royal Rumble was originally Bret vs Warrior. I wonder if it still would have been Yokozuna at Wrestlemania though.
Bret was going over Shawn at SS and I guess Warrior would have been the main man in the tag match with Savage over Ramon/Flair leading to Bret vs Warrior at Rumble, that makes sense but where from there? I really doubt at that point Yokozuna would have even been considered.
Bret vs Warrior rematch with Warrior winning perhaps?
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 8, 2014 17:57:08 GMT -5
The most amazing part of that was that the plan was for Bret to go over Warrior clean in the middle with the Sharpshooter. But that may have just been Bret embellishing things.
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 9, 2014 1:18:38 GMT -5
Warrior would never in a million years agreed too it.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 9, 2014 2:48:42 GMT -5
The most amazing part of that was that the plan was for Bret to go over Warrior clean in the middle with the Sharpshooter. But that may have just been Bret embellishing things. Vince probably literally told him that was the plan. I have no doubts. This is the same Vince who told DiBiase and Bad News Brown they'd be WWF Champion after all. Vince says a lot of things.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Aug 9, 2014 4:00:10 GMT -5
The most amazing part of that was that the plan was for Bret to go over Warrior clean in the middle with the Sharpshooter. But that may have just been Bret embellishing things. Vince probably literally told him that was the plan. I have no doubts. This is the same Vince who told DiBiase and Bad News Brown they'd be WWF Champion after all. Vince says a lot of things. He probably won't talk about it in this but Bret claims Summerslam 93 was supposed to be headlined by him and Hogan with Hogan losing the title to him. Now I can certainly believe Vince telling Bret this and even that Vince was so down for it that he would go to Hogan to get the usual, "I just don't think Bret's the right guy, brother." The part that gets me is that in Bret's book he goes on to detail the events of a photoshoot for the poster for the event, with Hogan and him doing a tug of war with the title. I've never heard a word about it anywhere else (also that Hogan had been gone for a few months by the time Summerslam rolled around). It really is fascinating trying to figure out where the truth ends and the carny begins
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 9, 2014 4:44:06 GMT -5
Promo material could have easily been shot months earlier, he only dropped the belt in June.But I agree, its hard to know what to believe. Im pretty sure both where ideas discussed at some point, but no one knows how serious of an idea they were.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 9, 2014 4:51:58 GMT -5
Vince probably literally told him that was the plan. I have no doubts. This is the same Vince who told DiBiase and Bad News Brown they'd be WWF Champion after all. Vince says a lot of things. He probably won't talk about it in this but Bret claims Summerslam 93 was supposed to be headlined by him and Hogan with Hogan losing the title to him. Now I can certainly believe Vince telling Bret this and even that Vince was so down for it that he would go to Hogan to get the usual, "I just don't think Bret's the right guy, brother." The part that gets me is that in Bret's book he goes on to detail the events of a photoshoot for the poster for the event, with Hogan and him doing a tug of war with the title. I've never heard a word about it anywhere else (also that Hogan had been gone for a few months by the time Summerslam rolled around). It really is fascinating trying to figure out where the truth ends and the carny begins From Bret's own statements on the matter, I always get the impression that Vince was doing what a successful promoter does and playing egos against one another. Bret has always held a grudge against Hogan for allegedly refusing to job to him. At the same time, based on statements from both Bret and Hogan, it seems clear that Vince was selling them two completely different scenarios to build friction between them. If wrestlers distrust one another, then it's easier for Vince to control them. They both had (and still have) healthy egos and it was easy for Vince to play them against one another. It's also quite possible that Bret was simply a pawn in a larger Vince/Hogan power dispute.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 9, 2014 6:01:03 GMT -5
The most amazing part of that was that the plan was for Bret to go over Warrior clean in the middle with the Sharpshooter. But that may have just been Bret embellishing things. Vince probably literally told him that was the plan. I have no doubts. This is the same Vince who told DiBiase and Bad News Brown they'd be WWF Champion after all. Vince says a lot of things. When I read Bret's account of his confrontation with Hogan and the "let's go talk to Vince" pow wow, my first thought (and bear in mind, I am more inclined to take up Bret's side than Hogan's) "Vince is bullshitting both of them".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 9:54:33 GMT -5
I've heard Bret say himself that Vince put the belt on guys like Yoko and Diesel because he didn't have the confidence in Bret to be the face of the company. That would seem to contradict the idea that Vince wanted Bret to make Warrior tap to the sharpshooter or go over Hogan cleanly.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Aug 9, 2014 12:13:00 GMT -5
Looking back, yes. That much is pretty obvious. Bret, however, had no idea until the day of the show that he was dropping the belt to Yoko. And Diesel was long after hogan and Warrior left. Like others here have said, Bret might well have been told ( back in the day) he was going over Hogan and Warrior by Vince and was going to be he biggest thing ever. Bret, back then, had no way of knowing that Vince had no intention of making good on that promise.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 9, 2014 13:00:45 GMT -5
Vince probably literally told him that was the plan. I have no doubts. This is the same Vince who told DiBiase and Bad News Brown they'd be WWF Champion after all. Vince says a lot of things. When I read Bret's account of his confrontation with Hogan and the "let's go talk to Vince" pow wow, my first thought (and bear in mind, I am more inclined to take up Bret's side than Hogan's) "Vince is bullshitting both of them". That's almost exactly what I took from it. Hogan clearly knew how to play the game, but Vince, as the promoter, typically held the most cards. Anyone catch what the "worst thing since the Gobbledy Gooker" was? I'm thinking back to '92 and trying to remember something that awful and, outside of maybe Warrior puking on air via voodoo, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything.
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Post by Steveweiser on Aug 11, 2014 7:38:41 GMT -5
When I read Bret's account of his confrontation with Hogan and the "let's go talk to Vince" pow wow, my first thought (and bear in mind, I am more inclined to take up Bret's side than Hogan's) "Vince is bullshitting both of them". That's almost exactly what I took from it. Hogan clearly knew how to play the game, but Vince, as the promoter, typically held the most cards. Anyone catch what the "worst thing since the Gobbledy Gooker" was? I'm thinking back to '92 and trying to remember something that awful and, outside of maybe Warrior puking on air via voodoo, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. Yeah, it was the Warrior/Papa Shango angle.
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Post by Zach on Aug 11, 2014 7:39:45 GMT -5
When I read Bret's account of his confrontation with Hogan and the "let's go talk to Vince" pow wow, my first thought (and bear in mind, I am more inclined to take up Bret's side than Hogan's) "Vince is bullshitting both of them". That's almost exactly what I took from it. Hogan clearly knew how to play the game, but Vince, as the promoter, typically held the most cards. Anyone catch what the "worst thing since the Gobbledy Gooker" was? I'm thinking back to '92 and trying to remember something that awful and, outside of maybe Warrior puking on air via voodoo, I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. It was Papa Shango and more specifically the Warrior puking angle
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 11, 2014 10:01:34 GMT -5
Funny thing, when I think back to my childhood I remember Warrior having black ink drip down his head thanks to Papa Shango, but I can't for the life of me remember the vomit angle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 11:44:56 GMT -5
Funny thing, when I think back to my childhood I remember Warrior having black ink drip down his head thanks to Papa Shango, but I can't for the life of me remember the vomit angle. Second this. Also, I think that people give this angle too much crap. As a kid, this made me legit frightened of Papa Shango. I knew that wrestling wasn't totally real, but this seemed impossibly real and scary. IMO it was a lot better done than the times Undertaker and Kane shot lightning bolts and set things on fire by pointing at them.
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Post by babyfootball on Aug 11, 2014 15:39:24 GMT -5
Funny thing, when I think back to my childhood I remember Warrior having black ink drip down his head thanks to Papa Shango, but I can't for the life of me remember the vomit angle. Second this. Also, I think that people give this angle too much crap. As a kid, this made me legit frightened of Papa Shango. I knew that wrestling wasn't totally real, but this seemed impossibly real and scary. IMO it was a lot better done than the times Undertaker and Kane shot lightning bolts and set things on fire by pointing at them. All of this. I was all of 7 when that stuff was going on, so a part of me knew that wrestling wasn't totally on the up-and-up, but props to Charles Wright. The character was goofy but damned if he didn't play it with enough conviction (and special effects) to not necessarily fool but at least freak the you know what out of a 2nd grader. I had a weak stomach then, so Warrior barfing and the sick-to-my-stomach feeling I got watching it is something I remember VERY clearly to this day. I've re-watched a lot of that stuff from that era but have specifically avoided that clip at every turn. But even if I was 10 or older, I'm sure I'd have agreed with Bret that it was quite, quite stupid. WWE has pulled of some stinkers over its lifespan that match and surpass the cheesiness/outlandishness of the voodoo magic stuff, but for 1992 and the champions during that year (Flair, Macho, Bret), a good amount of it was more wrestling-based than in years prior, so goofball stuff lie that stuck out even more, especially a guy experiencing it firsthand, I'm sure.
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Post by andrew8798 on Aug 11, 2014 15:43:29 GMT -5
He still out of his mind about the Ladder Match from WM 10
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Post by chazraps on Aug 11, 2014 16:00:10 GMT -5
Yeah Warriors death saw more over night 180 opinions than any wrestler not named Benoit. I don't know if it's fair to attribute that solely to his death as Warrior himself made it a point to deliberately mend fences a good 2-3 weeks prior to his Hall of Fame induction. Purely speculation on my part, but I'd venture to guess that went on to change opinions from his peers more than his death.
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