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Post by Abdullah on Jul 10, 2014 10:44:10 GMT -5
*Conspiracy Thoery Time* With Paige's glowing support from both HHH and Steph, maybe someone is trying to sabotage them both by ruining one of their projects. Seriously, why else would WWE have Alicia Fox, out of no- where, lose her mind on the crowds around the same time that they crowned a new champ and take away some of the spotlight, attention and TV time that should have been spent on Paige? Since when has WWE concentrated so much effort to a non-contender Diva? It could have been much better for Paige. This is actually somewhat likely, according to reports. Anyway, I won't be dire about Paige until this AJ feud is over. They could still fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 11:41:30 GMT -5
I've been saying it a long time.
She can't cut a promo to save her life. She has very poor public speaking skills. She was also doing this thing where she tried to mask her accent which makes her sound rather odd.
Coupled with a poor push (she looked weak as f*** in her introduction segment, then the stupid matches where the opponents dominated her and she kept getting the fluke win) and the fact she doesn't have the charisma to really connect with an arena crowd she was doomed from the get go.
I will give her credit though, her match with Naomi at the PPV was f***ing awesome. Shame they didn't let her wrestle matches like that on the main roster all the time.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 10, 2014 12:12:46 GMT -5
Name me a diva that's more over than she is. From crowd reactions? Maybe Naomi, probably no one. But AJ has gotten ten times the push of any other woman working for the company. She should be way more popular than she is, but she is not. well part of that was because she's been a heel for so long it was vaguely kinda of an anti-cena thing except without the booing even though she was supposed to be the heel she was getting some pops. she's only come back recently and people aren;t really positive who's supposed to be the face between her and Paige. one minute AJ is face-ier, and Paige is acting heel during the rematch. then the next minute Paige is all rah rah AJ and AJ's not sure what to make of it and seems uncomfortable with the attention. plus you can tell she's biting her tongue about the CM Punk chants- seems like she's dying to call the crowd out about it but can't/won't. so until she gets a full face turn, we can;t really say how over/not over AJ is at this moment
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 10, 2014 12:16:32 GMT -5
Part of me hopes that she becomes a Paul Heyman Girl, but Heyman's about to become ultra-busy again in the next few weeks. Someone else suggested they bring Regal up to be her manager - they just need someone who can do promos for her, and let her wrestle, while at the same time, she gets promo help, and can eventually do them herself well. Shame, given that her mother is one of the best promos on the indies.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 10, 2014 12:31:25 GMT -5
Part of me hopes that she becomes a Paul Heyman Girl, but Heyman's about to become ultra-busy again in the next few weeks. Someone else suggested they bring Regal up to be her manager - they just need someone who can do promos for her, and let her wrestle, while at the same time, she gets promo help, and can eventually do them herself well. Shame, given that her mother is one of the best promos on the indies. If they want to go the English Route, they should let Bad News Barrett do it. Give him something to do until his shoulder heals up. If they do go Regal, might as well throw Adrian Neville in there. His promos are pretty bad and his accent is super thick.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jul 10, 2014 12:39:24 GMT -5
A perfect shitstorm of being booked poorly and her inability to cut a promo when given the chance.
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Post by Chip on Jul 10, 2014 12:39:27 GMT -5
Considering the kinda run every other Diva not named AJ get's, Paige's run was fine.
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Post by Abdullah on Jul 10, 2014 12:42:46 GMT -5
From crowd reactions? Maybe Naomi, probably no one. But AJ has gotten ten times the push of any other woman working for the company. She should be way more popular than she is, but she is not. well part of that was because she's been a heel for so long it was vaguely kinda of an anti-cena thing except without the booing even though she was supposed to be the heel she was getting some pops. she's only come back recently and people aren;t really positive who's supposed to be the face between her and Paige. one minute AJ is face-ier, and Paige is acting heel during the rematch. then the next minute Paige is all rah rah AJ and AJ's not sure what to make of it and seems uncomfortable with the attention. plus you can tell she's biting her tongue about the CM Punk chants- seems like she's dying to call the crowd out about it but can't/won't. so until she gets a full face turn, we can;t really say how over/not over AJ is at this moment She gets a big reaction for simply being tagged into the match and making her entrance eight times out of ten, as recently as this Monday. She got a pretty decent pop for locking in the Black Widow at WM, especially after Taker lost his streak in a pretty crappy match. I think we can say how over AJ is. A big reason why she isn't getting louder reactions is because she hasn't had a storyline since Night of Champions last year. Go back and watch the RAW after WM. Smarky crowd, sure, but they gave the Divas a louder and more sustained pop than Heyman's promo or the Usos.
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Post by The Tee Why on Jul 10, 2014 13:14:27 GMT -5
Shitty booking and not letting her be the same as on NXT. Turning her into basically Kelly Kelly where her only gimmick is screaming, holding the title above her head and having a 'think again' jacket is the second shitty part.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 10, 2014 13:30:06 GMT -5
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Jul 10, 2014 15:05:04 GMT -5
Ok, everybody in the DeLorean. Get her up to 88 mph and go back 14 years to make sure Cena never gets any mic time or more than 4 minutes for a match or any kind of personality, or logical booking. Lets see how over he would Have gotten then. I said Cena for some. cheap heat but the same could have been said for Hogan, Austin, the Rock, HBK or anybody. No amount of the "it factor" can over come being given nothing to work with.
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Post by The Trashman on Jul 10, 2014 15:05:31 GMT -5
She needs a new finisher for sure.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 10, 2014 15:09:01 GMT -5
For me? The fact that she was hyped up on here as being the second coming of Wendi Richter.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 10, 2014 15:15:53 GMT -5
well part of that was because she's been a heel for so long it was vaguely kinda of an anti-cena thing except without the booing even though she was supposed to be the heel she was getting some pops. she's only come back recently and people aren;t really positive who's supposed to be the face between her and Paige. one minute AJ is face-ier, and Paige is acting heel during the rematch. then the next minute Paige is all rah rah AJ and AJ's not sure what to make of it and seems uncomfortable with the attention. plus you can tell she's biting her tongue about the CM Punk chants- seems like she's dying to call the crowd out about it but can't/won't. so until she gets a full face turn, we can;t really say how over/not over AJ is at this moment She gets a big reaction for simply being tagged into the match and making her entrance eight times out of ten, as recently as this Monday. She got a pretty decent pop for locking in the Black Widow at WM, especially after Taker lost his streak in a pretty crappy match. I think we can say how over AJ is. A big reason why she isn't getting louder reactions is because she hasn't had a storyline since Night of Champions last year. Go back and watch the RAW after WM. Smarky crowd, sure, but they gave the Divas a louder and more sustained pop than Heyman's promo or the Usos. and then she'd tag back out almost immediately to a chorus of boos (unless you're talking post return) because she didn;t want to be cheered as a heel. last time she was full face was during the "DB is a jerk" days. we haven't seen the full potential for her reaction in this persona yet because she's been a heel for 98% of it and until then the fullness of her pop ca't be fully determined. yes she gets a nice reaction but it remains to be seen if this is her maximum reaction or not just yet. edit- but we're going off topic here, this thread's about Paige
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Jul 10, 2014 15:30:12 GMT -5
She needs a new finisher for sure. She has three, PTO/Paige Turner/Cradle DDT.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 10, 2014 15:37:06 GMT -5
Jerry Lynn is one of my all time favourite wrestlers. Incredible talent and underrated. First night in, he's Light Heavyweight Champion and his WWE career was pretty much over.
Cade and Murdoch won the tag titles quickly after their debut. They lost it and were split and wrestled on Heat before reforming as a team.
Gail Kim wins the Women's title in a battle royal in her first match. After she loses it, she does nothing until released.
Winning the title on your first night or around your debut is the kiss of death. I think MNM survived it though.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 10, 2014 15:41:20 GMT -5
*Conspiracy Thoery Time* With Paige's glowing support from both HHH and Steph, maybe someone is trying to sabotage them both by ruining one of their projects. Seriously, why else would WWE have Alicia Fox, out of no- where, lose her mind on the crowds around the same time that they crowned a new champ and take away some of the spotlight, attention and TV time that should have been spent on Paige? Since when has WWE concentrated so much effort to a non-contender Diva? It could have been much better for Paige. This is actually somewhat likely, according to reports. Anyway, I won't be dire about Paige until this AJ feud is over. They could still fix it. When you consider how everyone aside from The Shield and The Wyatts has failed to amass any real success since leaving NXT, it's a pretty realistic theory. You could say their gimmicks weren't good, but it doesn't help when they're just not being used. Paige has actually fared better than most.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 10, 2014 16:08:26 GMT -5
She needs a new finisher for sure. She has three, PTO/Paige Turner/Cradle DDT. It's called the RamPaige. It was her finisher on the indies, when it was known as the Knight Light.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jul 10, 2014 16:15:53 GMT -5
I could'nt say what ruined Paige's title run, but I can say that Paige sure ruined my underwear. Nevermind they were already ruined. Actual Divas division discussion? No! lol hot womenz! Is that what I sound like? I thought my voice had more of a Clark Gable quality.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 10, 2014 16:17:49 GMT -5
Jerry Lynn is one of my all time favourite wrestlers. Incredible talent and underrated. First night in, he's Light Heavyweight Champion and his WWE career was pretty much over. Cade and Murdoch won the tag titles quickly after their debut. They lost it and were split and wrestled on Heat before reforming as a team. Gail Kim wins the Women's title in a battle royal in her first match. After she loses it, she does nothing until released. Winning the title on your first night or around your debut is the kiss of death. I think MNM survived it though. Won the Light Heavyweight Championship in his debut match. I think he turned out okay. Not that it discounts anything you said, though. MNM and Christian (and arguably Carlito) are pretty much the exceptions to the rule.
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