Squirrel Master
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jul 10, 2014 13:21:03 GMT -5
I see a man in a white car Move like a ghost on the skyline Take all your dreams And you throw them away Man in a white car
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 10, 2014 13:21:05 GMT -5
They did mention Henry was the World Heavyweight Champion. My bad, I skimmed it because it's quite long. My point still stands though, seems they just gloss over those facts because of what the title is called rather than what it is. King Booker was world champion when the titles were pretty equal, hell he even beat the WWE champion and ECW champion in the same match to be the "champion of champions". In kayfabe, that's as high as you can get. As for WWE, I don't think they're necessarily racist. I think they're lazy, and they don't use people to their full potential but that's a general problem that isn't specific to race. When you think of all the black wrestlers in WWE's history, how many of them were really world champion quality? MVP? Kofi Kingston with the right push? Same for Shelton Benjamin? So there's not loads anyway. I'd rather WWE be picky with who they let be world champion then give it to someone just because they're black. You should deserve it, like Booker T or The Rock or Mark Henry. It is a false dichotomy to act like the only alternative to the current situation is to give someone the top title solely because they're black. No one is proposing that; it's not relevant at all. It's also a little dangerous to just look at people and say "oh, they're not 'World Title worthy,'" because that's so ambiguous, you can make it mean whatever you want to justify whatever system happens to be in place. The issue isn't that they look at black wrestlers and refuse to push them because of personalized hatred of black people, it's... well dude, read the article; it spells it out pretty well.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 10, 2014 13:22:05 GMT -5
I see a man in a white car Move like a ghost on the skyline Take all your dreams And you throw them away Man in a white car But who is driving this white car? and is this car a hummer?
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BrianZane
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Post by BrianZane on Jul 10, 2014 13:23:01 GMT -5
TL;DR: WWE is hella RAYCESS.
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Squirrel Master
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jul 10, 2014 13:25:02 GMT -5
Article did not mention how good looking diesel-bodied Samoans get pushed to the moon, however Samoans who grow their asses to mammoth proportions become comedy acts and fade away.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 10, 2014 13:25:07 GMT -5
WWE don't care about colour
They are equal opportunity buriers.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 10, 2014 13:25:23 GMT -5
I haven't heard any animosity in recent times.
In fact, they did include him in their HOF, and Harley always seems to speak fondly of what WWE is doing.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 10, 2014 13:25:28 GMT -5
The Booker T incident at WM 19 shows that they just don't get it. Regardless of whether or not they intended for HHH to come off as a bigoted heel, that's the image they presented. The racist won. In what world is that a good story?
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Post by BrianZane on Jul 10, 2014 13:26:21 GMT -5
Also, people who are saying "Rock/Henry/Booker T" clearly didn't read the whole article. The Rock is half-black, half-Samoan, and seems to identify with the latter.
Booker T and Mark Henry had only held the World Title (and the ECW one in Mark's case), which, as the article described and everyone else with a keen eye is aware of, doesn't count because it wasn't the MAIN world title.
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tms
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Post by tms on Jul 10, 2014 13:28:26 GMT -5
Vince appears to be a man with many problems.
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4TheGlory
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 10, 2014 13:29:03 GMT -5
That should've just been the whole article
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Post by turkeysandwich on Jul 10, 2014 13:30:29 GMT -5
Not the point of the article, but I just thought I'd point out again that Zack Ryder was not inspired by The Jersey Shore, as he was doing that character before the show ever existed.
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Post by Bert Hart on Jul 10, 2014 13:30:40 GMT -5
The Booker T incident at WM 19 shows that they just don't get it. Regardless of whether or not they intended for HHH to come off as a bigoted heel, that's the image they presented. The racist won. In what world is that a good story? Oh god, that was one time in professional wrestling history that I was genuinely angry with the result of a fake wrestling feud. Triple H did everything short of tying him up and whipping him in the "build" to their big match with Booker getting no apparent edge whatsoever. Then they wrestled, Booker eats two pedigrees and is pinned for a 9 count. Great booking!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 13:30:50 GMT -5
I think Vince saying the N word on TV and then intentionally having the camera pan to Booker T to show "it was OK since my black employee was fine with it" is enough proof of the WWE's ignorance when it comes to race. Nevermind the decades of other proof.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 10, 2014 13:33:04 GMT -5
As leery as I am with the distinction... The World Title was the consolation prize. The Spinner Belt was the title that meant you were the top. So sure you'll have The Rock hold the WWE title, but you knew they weren't going to have Mark Henry or Booker T hold that title. The Rock getting it is fine because not only is he one of the most famous Black wrestlers to have ever wrestled, he's really the biggest mainstream star they have. It's like the bar is set unrealistically high... The World Title was created for the flagship show for the guy who was a member of the family and then put on the guy they EXPECTED to be the next standard bearer(not the one who became it). People decided it was unequal when it suited them too. I think it cherrypicks personally. It over looks what gimmicks were pre-existing or not fully developed by WWE for white guys and African Americans. It doesn't mention how often Woods PhD is mentioned, things like that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 10, 2014 13:35:46 GMT -5
Not the point of the article, but I just thought I'd point out again that Zack Ryder was not inspired by The Jersey Shore, as he was doing that character before the show ever existed. And maybe if Ryder and others were used more often, it wouldn't look like Rusev is singling out the black guys.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jul 10, 2014 13:39:03 GMT -5
That's the professional wrestling business as a whole period. There have have only been a few black main champions in any promotion and you can probably count them on one hand. Yeah, not that I'm excusing this though. I'm a black guy myself, but I realize that pro wrestling has been run by old white men from the South since the beginning. African Americans always been the hucking, jiving dancing kid friendly sideshow unless they were big, then they were big brusers like Henry and Simmons and Big E. And I don't even need to go on about Latinos, hell even their biggest Latino star ever, Eddie, lived by "Lie, Cheat, and Steal" and he came out in a lowrider. That's just how wrestling is. It's not enlightening, it's been made by white people for white people (for the most part). That's just the way it is.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 10, 2014 13:41:06 GMT -5
That's the professional wrestling business as a whole period. There have have only been a few black main champions in any promotion and you can probably count them on one hand. Yeah, not that I'm excusing this though. I'm a black guy myself, but I realize that pro wrestling has been run by old white men from the South since the beginning. African Americans always been the hucking, jiving dancing kid friendly sideshow unless they were big, then they were big brusers like Henry and Simmons and Big E. And I don't even need to go on about Latinos, hell even their biggest Latino star ever, Eddie, lived by "Lie, Cheat, and Steal" and he came out in a lowrider. That's just how wrestling is. It's not enlightening, it's been made by white people for white people (for the most part). That's just the way it is. There are a lot of us black fans on the board, but I think we're underrepresented in the fanbase as a whole.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jul 10, 2014 13:42:23 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. Bobby Lashley was the most hideously overpushed wrestler ever. If he had stayed around(and hadn't lost like 70 lbs of muscle when he injured his shoulder and the drug testing came around) he would be at least a 6 time world champ by now. His push today would make the people complaining about Roman's megapush implode into gelatinous balls of gloob.
But because the internet and America has a severe white guilt problem, everyone is going to say it does. We just had a recent thread(posts in the Natalya thread) with the most hideous kill whitey racism promoted and there were zero complaints about it...but this thread will be seen as some great glory of "anti-racism" and I'll probably be warned or banned for this post.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 10, 2014 13:42:49 GMT -5
My bad, I skimmed it because it's quite long. My point still stands though, seems they just gloss over those facts because of what the title is called rather than what it is. King Booker was world champion when the titles were pretty equal, hell he even beat the WWE champion and ECW champion in the same match to be the "champion of champions". In kayfabe, that's as high as you can get. As for WWE, I don't think they're necessarily racist. I think they're lazy, and they don't use people to their full potential but that's a general problem that isn't specific to race. When you think of all the black wrestlers in WWE's history, how many of them were really world champion quality? MVP? Kofi Kingston with the right push? Same for Shelton Benjamin? So there's not loads anyway. I'd rather WWE be picky with who they let be world champion then give it to someone just because they're black. You should deserve it, like Booker T or The Rock or Mark Henry. It is a false dichotomy to act like the only alternative to the current situation is to give someone the top title solely because they're black. No one is proposing that; it's not relevant at all. It's also a little dangerous to just look at people and say "oh, they're not 'World Title worthy,'" because that's so ambiguous, you can make it mean whatever you want to justify whatever system happens to be in place. The issue isn't that they look at black wrestlers and refuse to push them because of personalized hatred of black people, it's... well dude, read the article; it spells it out pretty well. Yeah but you haven't addressed the rest of my post. Why is it that Booker T and Mark Henry's world title reigns are being dismissed? Just because it wasn't the "WWE" title? Yeah, the WWE title was generally seen as the No.1 title but the reality is it wasn't always. What about when the World Heavyweight Title was Raw's title? By the writer of the article's theory, the World title was THE title for several years. And maybe it's not just a WWE problem but a problem with the fans? You said yourself, you can make whoever is world title "worthy" through any criteria you want. You could say similar about the world titles. Maybe the fans of WWE see the World title as the B title because black people have held it? Then there's other factors completely that I'm sure the article writer didn't consider. Bobby Lashley seemed a sure fire WWE Champion but he abruptedly left. I also think the point of the article should be "Why hasn't there been more ethnically diverse WWE world champions?" instead of "There has been no black WWE champion" which the writer of the article contradicts anyway when he acknowledges The Rock's eight title reigns. I'm not saying WWE hasn't done racist things or that WWE doesn't play to stereotypes or anything like that, because they blatantly do. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate a little bit, and present other sides to this story rather than just one viewpoint. Oh and Triple H going over Booker T at WM19 after THAT build-up was ridiculous, disgusting and offensive.
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