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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Jul 21, 2014 9:34:41 GMT -5
Second page in an Ambrose thread and we get an IWC IS HIVEMIND post. Those are usually on the first, so I guess we're making progress.
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Post by eJm on Jul 21, 2014 9:52:20 GMT -5
That's simply wrong. If they were, there wouldn't be a point to the idea of booking matches to get people excited about watching the show in the first place if the draw was just "Hey, this show is on!" So when WWE hypes up Brock/Cena, nobody should get excited about that but they should only be excited about Summerslam, right? Without the matches, there is no show because nobody's going to buy the show. The end. You are completely missing the point. You buy a 'Summerslam 2014 ticket',not a 'Lesnar/Cena' ticket. Nobody (well, not many) turn up 2 hours 10 minutes into the show just to watch the main event. They don't but they damn sure watch a whole show in anticipation of one match. Last year's Summerslam was built on two matches and two matches alone: Lesnar/Punk and Bryan/Cena. It wouldn't have mattered if the rest of the matches sucked as long as the both of those were good and luckily for them, they were world class main events. WrestleMania this year was built on Bryan winning the belt. Yes, there was the buzz about Hogan and Brock/Taker and Cena/Bray but I sat in a bar until 4am and people wanted two things to happen. 1. HHH gets knee'd and 2. Bryan wins the belts. Both of those happened, thus the post 'Mania RAW crowd was not hijacking the show for the first time in two years. Shows have to have a narrative, or matches, to get people in. If there are no matches to attract people to that show and all you are doing is saying "GET THIS SHOW TO SEE THE NEXT PART!" then that's just bad marketing and bad management because you have 4 weeks to build the narrative to the next twist. And most people don't care if a show sucked or not if they got what they mostly wanted for it and most of the time, that's a great match not a cop out. It's not but 99% of the time, it is done in a way that makes audiences less interested in the rest of the show.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 21, 2014 9:56:22 GMT -5
The actual brawling was very well done. Yes, I was looking forward to seeing the match, but I really don't mind having to wait a little longer to see the match on a bigger PPV. The booking made it look like a blood-feud.
Maybe one of them did have a minor injury and they just wanted to hold off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 9:56:57 GMT -5
Obviously, they think that now that "PPVs" are Network Events, that they can just treat them as another episode of RAW. This is the real answer. Wrestlemania was good and it had to be since it coincided with the Network launch and fans were pretty pissed in general, but since then while there have been several good matches it's pretty apparent that they're treating these as a bonus episode of Raw more or less. Angles, in-ring promos, etc.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jul 21, 2014 9:57:00 GMT -5
I'm actually in favor of this. Ambrose-Rollins is the best feud they have going right now, so they don't want to blow their load too soon. If it leads to a street fight or a stipulation match for the MITB contract at Summerslam I'm happy with it.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 21, 2014 10:25:20 GMT -5
I'd like to point out two things. 1. Anyone who's saying that people should cancel their subscriptions because one match got cancelled but will still take place in literally a month are overreacting way too much and need to take wrestling a little less seriously. 2. Anyone who watched the show on the Network or illegally streamed it DID NOT pay to watch this match unless they bought the Network this month. Anyone who bought it before WrestleMania cannot say they paid to see this match in any way shape or form. I'm not defending them not doing the match, but people are taking it way too seriously and far with this. I guess maybe WWE should go bankrupt now because they decided to cancel a match so that the SummerSlam match is a bigger deal. Better yet, maybe Vince McMahon should lose all his money, his house, and everything he owns because why not take it even farther? Come on now The whole PPV was inexcusable. The only difference between it and a regular episode of Raw was that the commercial breaks were shorter and it costs $60 to watch it. Yes because you normally get a World Title match, a battle royal for the IC Title, a 2/3 falls match for the tag titles, a big Chris Jericho match, and a legitimately built up midcard feud match on Raw -_-
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 21, 2014 10:29:52 GMT -5
It was a complete waste of time/stalling for Summerslam. Just dumb.
If you want to have something end inconclusively so that they have another match, fine, but do that in the context of the match.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jul 21, 2014 10:34:36 GMT -5
I was more disappointed in the Swagger/Rusev match ending than not seeing this match.
I'm sure it will blow their classics from FCW out of the water, but I'm going to savor every moment I can from their amazing interactions.
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Post by BrianZane on Jul 21, 2014 10:50:14 GMT -5
So, was I the only person who wasn't offended and disgusted by them canceling the match? Based on some of the reactions here, I guess I am.
If people are going to "cancel their subscriptions" over this, then my faith in wrestling fans is even more weakened.
Battleground is a transitional show. Sorry that you kept your personal hype for the show buoyed with one match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
The decision-makers used to work at Pop Copy.
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Post by BrianZane on Jul 21, 2014 10:52:59 GMT -5
I guarantee there were people who paid for the show specifically for that match. If they didn't want to do the match yet, fine, but they shouldn't have waited until in the middle of the show to make it clear it wasn't going to happen. If they'd announced something like, "Due to the attack on Ambrose on SmackDown, for his own safety Triple H has called off the match with Rollins," and they did it the same otherwise there wouldn't be an issue here. It's that they got people's hopes up, got them to pay to see the match, and then didn't deliver it. Oh ok, so instead of a fun brawl and actual piece of creative work from WWE (that they get crapped on about all the time), the fans get nothing. I know which I'd have preferred. You don't pay for a match, you pay for the show. Rollins/Ambrose interaction throughout the night was part of the show. EXACTLY. The Rollins/Ambrose stuff took up three segments on the pay-per-view. That's more than they probably would have had with their one match.
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Post by realg on Jul 21, 2014 11:17:46 GMT -5
Oh ok, so instead of a fun brawl and actual piece of creative work from WWE (that they get crapped on about all the time), the fans get nothing. I know which I'd have preferred. You don't pay for a match, you pay for the show. Rollins/Ambrose interaction throughout the night was part of the show. EXACTLY. The Rollins/Ambrose stuff took up three segments on the pay-per-view. That's more than they probably would have had with their one match. Yeah but it wasn't an actual match where the referee rang the bell though. People should have their moneys back. It was Ambrose v Rollins, just not in the image everyone was expecting.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 21, 2014 11:23:42 GMT -5
I am amazed people are defending this assf***-everybody pig bullshit. Nothing's ever going to change in this stupid company.
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Post by mysterydriver on Jul 21, 2014 11:52:56 GMT -5
It was ridiculous in the display of it, in all honesty.
Ambrose attacks Rollins. They get separated. Triple H runs in shouting about how "YOU WON'T RUIN THIS! GET HIM OUT OF HERE!" and throws Ambrose out of the arena.
Triple H announces that the match is cancelled on Twitter. If someone here went to the show, I'd like to know if they announced the match was cancelled before Rollins came out or relied on everyone to gleen it from Triple H's hissy fit order.
Rollins comes out. Does his thing. Wins by default. Another attack happens because Ambrose can pick locks or some nonsense. Triple H runs down screaming about Ambrose "Ruining" things again. The brawl about and then it's finally separated again.
So...Seth leaves? What is Triple H roaring about "Ruining" if his Plan B is going home? What exactly was Ambrose ruining if Seth was just going to go to his daggone hotel, leaving the assumed safety of an arena that is probably totally locked down now that they screwed up once? He didn't even have the briefcase with him...unless it was tucked into the bag he abandoned while running away from the fight that he had wanted less than fifteen minutes ago.
That's the frustrating thing for me. Not only did you back out on an announced match, perhaps the most interesting of the announced matches, but the story to explain it was horrible.
What was Ambrose ruining by attacking Seth early? That's all I need to know. Some heelish explanation. If they just drop it, it's more proof that Creative is far from fulfilling the definition of their name.
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Post by Viva on Jul 21, 2014 12:03:57 GMT -5
The entire PPV was kind of like that. HHH's new way of running things seems to be a "f*** with smarks until a Marquee PPV, then give the smarks what they want."
-Ziggler took a bath in the battle royal in the most heinous way. -Cena wins -Wyatt Family 0-2 -No Ambrose-Rollins -Paige loses
We'll see what happens with summerslam, but they gave a lot of people what they wanted at Wrestlemania with the excellent Daniel Bryan stuff. Maybe it'll turn around then.
That was a pretty rough PPV though for me as a fan. A lot of stuff I would rather didn't happen actually happened.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 21, 2014 12:13:43 GMT -5
Because you touch yourself at night.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jul 21, 2014 12:33:59 GMT -5
This was the only thing I liked about the show. Yeah, I lost the match but the pull a parts were amazing and left me wanting the match more than I did doing in.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 12:39:18 GMT -5
I love how Rollo tells the Harris Brothers security team that he doesn't need security and then immediately starts looking around all paranoid like before getting attacked. I was half expecting a "where to, Seth?" moment.
The brawls were good, but the execution of everything else was pretty crap I thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:20:40 GMT -5
I am amazed people are defending this assf***-everybody pig bullshit. Nothing's ever going to change in this stupid company. No, it'll change. But not while Vince is involved.
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 21, 2014 13:26:49 GMT -5
For me it's more about how they promoted the match so much, even right beforehand . And for me personally it was the one I was looking forward to the most...
Why couldn't they have Dean attack Seth on smackdown, and have trips cancel the match then? The Story could have played out the exact same way , Dean being there anyway.... Seth winning by forfeit.... without the expectation of the match happening...
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