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Post by The Tee Why on Jul 24, 2014 13:00:51 GMT -5
Ah, yes. The "All heels are good" guy, and if you dont cheer for heels you're a mark.
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Post by Sicho100 on Jul 24, 2014 13:06:16 GMT -5
The job of a heel is not to get people to dislike you in any way imaginable. It's to get people to hate you to such an extent that they are willing to pay money to see you get your ass kicked. The guy says the "X-Pac heat" is a myth. No, it's not. If people's hate of a heel manifests in the sort of way that they want him off the show, then they won't pay money to see the guy. And that seems to be most people's reaction to the Miz. It's literally the exact opposite of what Miz wants. He doesn't want to breed apathy, he wants to breed resentment. And he's getting apathy. That isn't good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 13:37:06 GMT -5
Where this logic falls apart - what about when you don't like him as a face, either?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 24, 2014 13:56:58 GMT -5
Miz has always sucked. He's never been booked right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:01:42 GMT -5
Not a good week for guys named Mark.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jul 24, 2014 14:06:51 GMT -5
Miz has always sucked. He's never been booked right. I actually thought he had some good momentum right around when he won the WWE title. I used to be a fan. After that WM though? Yeesh.
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Post by golding on Jul 24, 2014 14:07:39 GMT -5
I agree to the extent that people associate their own bias when interpreting a crowd's reaction. I feel like "go away heat" or "X-Pac heat" is too often attributed.
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Post by mizerable on Jul 24, 2014 14:11:38 GMT -5
lulz
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Post by FAR5222 on Jul 24, 2014 14:19:03 GMT -5
So I'm a mark for not liking a guy who is sloppy in the ring, can't even apply a figure 4 leg lock while 7 year olds can. Miz was exposed in that entire Mania 27 build while he was thrid wheel to Rock and Cena.
Ziggler got a freaking good match out of him on Monday. He's not getting any sort of heat it's just silence and groans of agony when his music hits. I actually wanted him to win Monday because you know he won the title 24 hours before hand and champions shouldn't be booked to lose every God damn singles match and the only match they should lose cleanly is when they are going to drop the belt after a lengthy reign.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 24, 2014 14:30:05 GMT -5
Nowadays heels aren't good unless they're really cool In which case if they don't turn face then WWE's an asshole for it So no heel can be good I guess Nowadays heels are so one-dimensionally terrible that people don't give a shit. There's a difference. Look at Hunter & Steph this year. They're great heels because there is not a single likeable quality to them, and people react in turn. For as awesomely received as Bryan was, and to a lesser degree Reigns, without the detestable HHH as the antagonist that no one wants to see win (well, no one normal anyway), neither man's triumphs would have registered as emotionally.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 24, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -5
This gimmick is funny but it feels like a step back for Miz. The difference between Hollywood Rock and Hollywood Miz is that Rock was pretty much the same Rock. Hollywood Miz feels like a "wrestling gimmick". And Miz should be at the point in his career where he's above "gimmicks" and can just "be himself". This is something you'd give a guy fresh out of NXT, not someone who has been on the main roster for eight years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:34:20 GMT -5
The fact that Miz has been on the roster for EIGHT YEARS is just depressing.
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Post by machomuta on Jul 24, 2014 14:34:21 GMT -5
Ziggler got a freaking good match out of him on Monday. It takes two to have a good or great match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:38:32 GMT -5
Not a fan.
Either I'm a worked dope, or I truly detest the human performer.
I respect his heel trade and can see what he's doing, but I was tired of it before that even happened and don't believe that's a just a 'rasslin dig.
He's got his own X Pac heat deal.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Jul 24, 2014 14:44:50 GMT -5
You just can't win.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 24, 2014 14:51:39 GMT -5
Ziggler got a freaking good match out of him on Monday. It takes two to have a good or great match. No, it takes one with the other guy allowing him to take the lead. That's why Ric Flair has a reputation for being one of the best, he could have great matches with a shitty workers. Not everyone can have a great match and even fewer can lead someone to a great match but it's not unheard of.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jul 24, 2014 15:41:16 GMT -5
I just change the channel when Miz comes on.
I heard a rumour that he lost this past week?
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Post by JTH on Jul 24, 2014 15:56:56 GMT -5
You all should be happy then, cause as long as he's the IC Champion, he's not getting a push.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 24, 2014 16:23:03 GMT -5
Mark Zuckerberg also banned every Miz reference from Facebook, he's still upset Morrison became the Jannetty of the duo. My problem with Miz is that I think that in real life he's too much of a nice guy, when guys like Punk and Alberto del Rio shoot buried him in interviews he didn't answered then back, idk I'm just guessing that he doesn't stands up for himself in real life.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 24, 2014 20:02:25 GMT -5
Ziggler got a freaking good match out of him on Monday. It takes two to have a good or great match. John Cena had a watchable match with Khali. Credit 100% goes to Cena. Miz has NEVER had a good match with a middle-of-the-road wrestler, because he isn't that skilled himself. His only good matches have been against guys like Bryan, Morrison, Jericho, Ziggler, Punk, Mysterio, etc. As soon as he's not in the ring with someone who is incredibly gifted between the ropes, the match is plodding trash.
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