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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 5, 2014 1:00:12 GMT -5
Because on this board, no matter how little sense it may make, everyone's opinion must always be respected. "Bastion Booger was the greatest mat technician ever." Has to be respected. "I think bees would make wonderful housepets." Has to be respected. "Nicki Minaj is a talented musician." Has to be respected. If you don't think Nicki Minaj's verse shows on "Monster" shows an outstanding amount of talent, you don't know how music works. Taste and opinion are subjective, but to say she's untalented is flatout silly and laughable. Fine she's a lazy musician.
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Post by Cela on Aug 5, 2014 1:03:03 GMT -5
Because on this board, no matter how little sense it may make, everyone's opinion must always be respected. "Bastion Booger was the greatest mat technician ever." Has to be respected. "I think bees would make wonderful housepets." Has to be respected. "Nicki Minaj is a talented musician." Has to be respected. If you don't think Nicki Minaj's verse shows on "Monster" shows an outstanding amount of talent, you don't know how music works. Taste and opinion are subjective, but to say she's untalented is flatout silly and laughable. Chazraps, because I respect your opinion as a rap journalist I listened to it again three times before responding. And while there is some catchiness, if this is the best of nicki, then that is sad. Let's go through some portions, tell me where I have it wrong. Pull up in the monster automobile gangster with a bad bitch that came from Sri Lanka yeah I’m in that Tonka, colour of Willy Wonka Analysis: She rides in cars and dresses gaudily. OK first things first I’ll eat your brains then I’mma start rocking gold teeth and fangs cause that’s what a motherf***ing monster do Analysis: Um... what? So she's not just a zombie, but a remarkably tacky zombie? Is this to be taken symbolically in that she will learn from you, then take it for herself whilst adding Nicki accessories? and I’m all up all up all up in the bank with the funny face and if I’m fake I ain't notice cause my money ain't Analysis: So she's bragging that she acts like a creep for money. That's nice, and artistic! After this, she continues to breaks original ground in rap by talking about how much money she makes. forget barbie f*** Nicki she’s fake she’s on a diet but her pockets eating cheese cake Analysis: I'm not sure what the second half means, and am perplexed as to why she channeled Pee Wee Herman laughing to say it. Now look at what you just saw, this is what you live for Ah, I’m a motherf***ing monster! Analysis: She ends by channeling Fred Durst straight into Pee Wee laugh again. Which is probably tough, but... why desirable? Overall, it appears to be a verse about her acting like an idiot, but getting rich unlike people who look down on her, so she wins. This breaks no new ground lyrically. She does have an interesting flow that does change notes once in a while, but it's not exactly musical nirvana. If this is the best she's got, then frankly, she has gotten the best of us all, cause she's a motherf***ing monster.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 5, 2014 2:38:36 GMT -5
If you don't think Nicki Minaj's verse shows on "Monster" shows an outstanding amount of talent, you don't know how music works. Taste and opinion are subjective, but to say she's untalented is flatout silly and laughable. Chazraps, because I respect your opinion as a rap journalist I listened to it again three times before responding. And while there is some catchiness, if this is the best of nicki, then that is sad. Let's go through some portions, tell me where I have it wrong. Pull up in the monster automobile gangster with a bad bitch that came from Sri Lanka yeah I’m in that Tonka, colour of Willy Wonka Analysis: She rides in cars and dresses gaudily. OK first things first I’ll eat your brains then I’mma start rocking gold teeth and fangs cause that’s what a motherf***ing monster do Analysis: Um... what? So she's not just a zombie, but a remarkably tacky zombie? Is this to be taken symbolically in that she will learn from you, then take it for herself whilst adding Nicki accessories? and I’m all up all up all up in the bank with the funny face and if I’m fake I ain't notice cause my money ain't Analysis: So she's bragging that she acts like a creep for money. That's nice, and artistic! After this, she continues to breaks original ground in rap by talking about how much money she makes. forget barbie f*** Nicki she’s fake she’s on a diet but her pockets eating cheese cake Analysis: I'm not sure what the second half means, and am perplexed as to why she channeled Pee Wee Herman laughing to say it. Now look at what you just saw, this is what you live for Ah, I’m a motherf***ing monster! Analysis: She ends by channeling Fred Durst straight into Pee Wee laugh again. Which is probably tough, but... why desirable? Overall, it appears to be a verse about her acting like an idiot, but getting rich unlike people who look down on her, so she wins. This breaks no new ground lyrically. She does have an interesting flow that does change notes once in a while, but it's not exactly musical nirvana. If this is the best she's got, then frankly, she has gotten the best of us all, cause she's a motherf***ing monster. Your mistake here is evaluating a medium that's meant to be heard solely by its text. It's an easy way to make the greatest songs of all time seems novice and forgettable. Don McLean's "American Pie" can be boiled down to "My life is different because people who made songs I like died." The Beatles' "Yesterday" is essentially "bad stuff happened today that I wish hadn't." The Smith's "How Soon is Now" is "I'm ridiculed because I'm garden-variety ugly." Lyrics are merely one component of a song. The sound the vocals make within the sonic soundscape of the melody, the performance of those vocals giving life to those lyrics are just as important as what those words say. That's not to say lyrics can't stand on their own to be admired, they absolute can and the all time great songwriters and lyricists are to be commended for emoting sentiments that resonate with listeners through excellent word choices. On to "Monster." There's a lot I could unpack about what a brave breakout verse it was for a female MC within the context of rap at the time. The female presence in 2010 hip-hop was either sultry sex-kitten or heavy-handed conscious bookworm. There wasn't a whole lot of middle ground, or even different ground, for women. Minaj brings an absurd level of braggadocios swagger in-between eating brains and staking her claim as a top female MC. Really there's not a whole lot of precedent for that, especially as the sole female voice on a track with the three biggest names in rap at the time. But I'm ignoring all that as this is a discussion about musical merits, so here it goes. Minaj aim with this verse isn't to seduce the listener or educate about a social ill. The song is called "Monster," and she uses the platform to be an uncompromising attention grabbing bulldozer. The first four bars sound unsuspecting enough, bragging about showing up with an attractive arm piece, but her word choice "gangsta / sri lanka / wonka / conquer" sound really cool and unorthodox for such an unassuming flow. From there we shift to eating brains as the true character at play here begins to unravel. At this point we hear Minaj's narrative voice taking through an unrelenting high-octane theme park of rap styles. Listen to how seamlessly she shifts cadences, speeds, rhythms and keeps her overall delivery as unpredictable as her lyrics. It's the same reason Eminem's "Criminal" is such a masterpiece. If you can't see the talent in that, look up the instrumental on YouTube and record yourself trying to rap the lyrics over it. Then play your recording and Nicki's back-to-back. Her verse on "Monster" walks the rare line of the avant garde and the infectious. In any genre of music, when style is outstanding, it can qualify as substance. That's exactly what Nicki does here. Every four bars sound like they could be from completely different songs, and she weaves them all together in one incredible verse and makes it sound effortless.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 5, 2014 3:09:11 GMT -5
Minaj really bothers me because I can tell technically she's a very talented rapper, it's just what she says is absolute shit. She's never said a damn thing of substance.
To me, the message of the song the most important thing. So that's why I gravitate more towards a Lupe Fiasco than a Minaj.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 5, 2014 7:22:44 GMT -5
Just to educate myself and give her a fake shake, I listened to a handful of her songs, and gave each one a repeat listen.
Still absolutely terrible.
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Post by Cela on Aug 5, 2014 8:10:32 GMT -5
Chazraps, because I respect your opinion as a rap journalist I listened to it again three times before responding. And while there is some catchiness, if this is the best of nicki, then that is sad. Let's go through some portions, tell me where I have it wrong. Pull up in the monster automobile gangster with a bad bitch that came from Sri Lanka yeah I’m in that Tonka, colour of Willy Wonka Analysis: She rides in cars and dresses gaudily. OK first things first I’ll eat your brains then I’mma start rocking gold teeth and fangs cause that’s what a motherf***ing monster do Analysis: Um... what? So she's not just a zombie, but a remarkably tacky zombie? Is this to be taken symbolically in that she will learn from you, then take it for herself whilst adding Nicki accessories? and I’m all up all up all up in the bank with the funny face and if I’m fake I ain't notice cause my money ain't Analysis: So she's bragging that she acts like a creep for money. That's nice, and artistic! After this, she continues to breaks original ground in rap by talking about how much money she makes. forget barbie f*** Nicki she’s fake she’s on a diet but her pockets eating cheese cake Analysis: I'm not sure what the second half means, and am perplexed as to why she channeled Pee Wee Herman laughing to say it. Now look at what you just saw, this is what you live for Ah, I’m a motherf***ing monster! Analysis: She ends by channeling Fred Durst straight into Pee Wee laugh again. Which is probably tough, but... why desirable? Overall, it appears to be a verse about her acting like an idiot, but getting rich unlike people who look down on her, so she wins. This breaks no new ground lyrically. She does have an interesting flow that does change notes once in a while, but it's not exactly musical nirvana. If this is the best she's got, then frankly, she has gotten the best of us all, cause she's a motherf***ing monster. Your mistake here is evaluating a medium that's meant to be heard solely by its text. It's an easy way to make the greatest songs of all time seems novice and forgettable. Don McLean's "American Pie" can be boiled down to "My life is different because people who made songs I like died." The Beatles' "Yesterday" is essentially "bad stuff happened today that I wish hadn't." The Smith's "How Soon is Now" is "I'm ridiculed because I'm garden-variety ugly." Lyrics are merely one component of a song. The sound the vocals make within the sonic soundscape of the melody, the performance of those vocals giving life to those lyrics are just as important as what those words say. That's not to say lyrics can't stand on their own to be admired, they absolute can and the all time great songwriters and lyricists are to be commended for emoting sentiments that resonate with listeners through excellent word choices. On to "Monster." There's a lot I could unpack about what a brave breakout verse it was for a female MC within the context of rap at the time. The female presence in 2010 hip-hop was either sultry sex-kitten or heavy-handed conscious bookworm. There wasn't a whole lot of middle ground, or even different ground, for women. Minaj brings an absurd level of braggadocios swagger in-between eating brains and staking her claim as a top female MC. Really there's not a whole lot of precedent for that, especially as the sole female voice on a track with the three biggest names in rap at the time. But I'm ignoring all that as this is a discussion about musical merits, so here it goes. Minaj aim with this verse isn't to seduce the listener or educate about a social ill. The song is called "Monster," and she uses the platform to be an uncompromising attention grabbing bulldozer. The first four bars sound unsuspecting enough, bragging about showing up with an attractive arm piece, but her word choice "gangsta / sri lanka / wonka / conquer" sound really cool and unorthodox for such an unassuming flow. From there we shift to eating brains as the true character at play here begins to unravel. At this point we hear Minaj's narrative voice taking through an unrelenting high-octane theme park of rap styles. Listen to how seamlessly she shifts cadences, speeds, rhythms and keeps her overall delivery as unpredictable as her lyrics. It's the same reason Eminem's "Criminal" is such a masterpiece. If you can't see the talent in that, look up the instrumental on YouTube and record yourself trying to rap the lyrics over it. Then play your recording and Nicki's back-to-back. Her verse on "Monster" walks the rare line of the avant garde and the infectious. In any genre of music, when style is outstanding, it can qualify as substance. That's exactly what Nicki does here. Every four bars sound like they could be from completely different songs, and she weaves them all together in one incredible verse and makes it sound effortless. Thank you for taking the time to respond. While I may still disagree with her skills being nothing anyone with a lick of musical competence couldn't accomplish with 3 months of training, and still find her voices obnoxious at best. I understand now why people are impressed with her. So, thank you.
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Post by Orange on Aug 19, 2014 23:41:53 GMT -5
**Language Warning!**
I am more than okay with all of that.
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Post by Lancers on Aug 19, 2014 23:49:09 GMT -5
That song is atrocious. The video is fine.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 19, 2014 23:54:13 GMT -5
Minaj really bothers me because I can tell technically she's a very talented rapper, it's just what she says is absolute shit. She's never said a damn thing of substance. To me, the message of the song the most important thing. So that's why I gravitate more towards a Lupe Fiasco than a Minaj. That's a mentality that isn't uncommon with fans, that she's sort of the "Hogan's really good in Japan, and comes to the US and does 3 moves" phenomenon. It's not that people think she is a sellout, though some might, but she's not as hungry and coasts, to them. I don't know enough about her to really say.
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Post by Lila on Aug 20, 2014 0:06:05 GMT -5
f***ing Drake
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Post by Display Name on Aug 20, 2014 1:09:28 GMT -5
Just watched that video..god damn,I want Nicki Minaj right now.That was the first new music video I've bothered to watch in like 2-3 years.Question...do they all have product placement like that nowadays?
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Post by Cela on Aug 20, 2014 1:15:47 GMT -5
Can't wait for all the outrage about cultural appropriation over African culture like they did over Taylor Swift today. Cause you know, Nicki's from Trinidad and Tobago.
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Post by BJ Sturgeon on Aug 20, 2014 2:29:18 GMT -5
That song is atrocious. The video is fine. Gotta agree. Musically the only thing I cared for are the Sir Mix-a-lot samples.
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Post by Danimal on Aug 20, 2014 2:55:24 GMT -5
Just watched that video..god damn,I want Nicki Minaj right now.That was the first new music video I've bothered to watch in like 2-3 years.Question...do they all have product placement like that nowadays? Ya it's a very entertaining video, too bad I find her voice and music so damn annoying.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 20, 2014 3:15:17 GMT -5
Can't wait for all the outrage about cultural appropriation over African culture like they did over Taylor Swift today. Cause you know, Nicki's from Trinidad and Tobago. Which would be really stupid, given the whole point of Taylor's video was putting her in situations she didn't belong in and awkwardly stood out. Going by the comment section of that video, though, that flew way over many heads.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 20, 2014 4:22:19 GMT -5
I liked the bit where she shook her ass about. The other three seconds were kinda dull.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 20, 2014 8:03:41 GMT -5
Song and video both 10/10. Gaslight Anthem, Rolling Stones, Dave Grohl, Jimmy Page, Bono, Muse & Jack White are all in the market for new wigs because theirs just got snatched right the f*** up.
I'm confused though about how a song that's basically a Baby Got Back cover can sound so much more like Cars That Go Boom by L'Trimm
and this
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Aug 20, 2014 12:36:40 GMT -5
I'll stick with Sir Mix a Lot's Baby got Back rather than this bizarre mixed up version from Minaj.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 20, 2014 18:50:44 GMT -5
God I love this woman. She takes a male gaze anthem (progressive for its time in a way, but still) and turns it into an empowerment anthem for black and/or big women. And the video deconstructs the male gaze too. She'll never get the respect she deserves from the majority of the population but Nicki Minaj is an icon in my eyes.
I don't know whether to feel jealous of or sad for Drake, I think both.
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Post by Cela on Aug 20, 2014 19:38:29 GMT -5
God I love this woman. She takes a male gaze anthem (progressive for its time in a way, but still) and turns it into an empowerment anthem for black and/or big women. And the video deconstructs the male gaze too. She'll never get the respect she deserves from the majority of the population but Nicki Minaj is an icon in my eyes. I don't know whether to feel jealous of or sad for Drake, I think both. This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering?
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