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Post by Perd on Aug 20, 2014 19:45:58 GMT -5
I can't tell you how much it tickles me, that I, of all people, started what has become the all-purpose Nicki Minaj thread. Seriously, until I watched that video, I'd never listened to one of her songs all the way through. And if you looked at my iPod, you'd think I was a 60 year old man with aspirations of being a hipster.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 20, 2014 20:12:28 GMT -5
God I love this woman. She takes a male gaze anthem (progressive for its time in a way, but still) and turns it into an empowerment anthem for black and/or big women. And the video deconstructs the male gaze too. She'll never get the respect she deserves from the majority of the population but Nicki Minaj is an icon in my eyes. I don't know whether to feel jealous of or sad for Drake, I think both. This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering? I think empowerment is decided by the people its directed towards and trust me, from the reaction I've seen from black women and plus sized women on social media, yeah they feel empowered by this song. Also thats a single line and not even what the line means. You're missing the point by a wide margin. She spends the entire song talking about men like male artists usually talk about women. The whole thing is a deconstruction of male gaze and male objectification of women. Using a male rapper (Drake) as an extra. The whole scene with the banana. And yes, even the line with the coke. Talking about using drug dealers as boy toys, not to get drugs back from them but for their wealth earning potential. Just like the dope dealer in an earlier verse, drug dealers make bank. Its about her right to own her sexuality and use it how she pleases. Its about taking ownership of her sexuality as a black female. Ect ect ect. A bunch of shit that really, honestly, isnt for us as white men and isnt for us to decide the empowerment potential of. Thats a sloppy explanation because again its not about me so I can only relay what I've heard from black women but basically you should be analyzing the song through the lense of an objectification table turn because thats what it and the video are about.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 21, 2014 8:36:44 GMT -5
I'd argue that sounds a lot like two wrongs making a right. It's dumb when the guys do it, the solution is for the girls to do it too?
I can see the short term attraction, not a great end game though when everyone ends up screwed over and bitter. Or is it just lip service so she can make sure she gets the male dollar too?
I realise I may be overthinking the bum video here.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 21, 2014 9:10:10 GMT -5
This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering? I think empowerment is decided by the people its directed towards and trust me, from the reaction I've seen from black women and plus sized women on social media, yeah they feel empowered by this song. Also thats a single line and not even what the line means. You're missing the point by a wide margin. She spends the entire song talking about men like male artists usually talk about women. The whole thing is a deconstruction of male gaze and male objectification of women. Using a male rapper (Drake) as an extra. The whole scene with the banana. And yes, even the line with the coke. Talking about using drug dealers as boy toys, not to get drugs back from them but for their wealth earning potential. Just like the dope dealer in an earlier verse, drug dealers make bank. Its about her right to own her sexuality and use it how she pleases. Its about taking ownership of her sexuality as a black female. Ect ect ect. A bunch of shit that really, honestly, isnt for us as white men and isnt for us to decide the empowerment potential of. Thats a sloppy explanation because again its not about me so I can only relay what I've heard from black women but basically you should be analyzing the song through the lense of an objectification table turn because thats what it and the video are about. I get what you are saying and that's an interesting spin. But this is not what most kids male or female is gonna take from it. And if an adult woman hears THIS song and the light bulb of wisdom goes off above her head then I don't know what to tell you. Sir Mix-a-lot's song was about how women were perceived in the mainstream entertainment. Waffer thin chicks vs women with a body. But it was from a macho male perspective. He even had a part where he roles up on a dude being abusive to a chick and beating his ass. Nikkei has no inverted perspective. Nikkei threw that part about skinny chicks but she didn't have full figured chicks in the video popping ass. She had what we would call stripper thick video hoes shaking ass. And highly suggestive sexual imagery. Both Baby Got Back and Anaconda have women and sexual imagery but Nikki isn't out to save anything but her spot. And not her dog "Spot". I'm not typing this with any anger so don't think I'm snapping. I just don't seen anything empowering coming from a chick with a fake ass, fake boobs, and her attempt to use the stereotype of THE male misogynistic rapper as way of seemingly being ahead of the curve. If she wanted a to do something creative and groundbreaking she should do the opposite. As the grandma in House Party 2 said, "That ain't Ninja Turtles. That's ass!"
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Post by salsashark on Aug 21, 2014 9:48:57 GMT -5
This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering? I think empowerment is decided by the people its directed towards and trust me, from the reaction I've seen from black women and plus sized women on social media, yeah they feel empowered by this song. Also thats a single line and not even what the line means. You're missing the point by a wide margin. She spends the entire song talking about men like male artists usually talk about women. The whole thing is a deconstruction of male gaze and male objectification of women. Using a male rapper (Drake) as an extra. The whole scene with the banana. And yes, even the line with the coke. Talking about using drug dealers as boy toys, not to get drugs back from them but for their wealth earning potential. Just like the dope dealer in an earlier verse, drug dealers make bank. Its about her right to own her sexuality and use it how she pleases. Its about taking ownership of her sexuality as a black female. Ect ect ect. A bunch of shit that really, honestly, isnt for us as white men and isnt for us to decide the empowerment potential of. Thats a sloppy explanation because again its not about me so I can only relay what I've heard from black women but basically you should be analyzing the song through the lense of an objectification table turn because thats what it and the video are about. You undoubtedly mean well, but this is such an overly academic way of looking at a song about a woman shaking her ass, with so little substance underneath. All this paragraph is missing is the words "problematic" and "privilege" thrown in there in a furrowed-brow kind of way. This is all applying meaning to something that isn't there. I could do this kind of analysis on practically any song you give me, giving something profound meaning if I was forced to. Sometimes, a dumb-sounding pop song is really a profound look at society or has some meaning in there. ("Born This Way" comes to mind.) Sometimes, a dumb-sounding pop song is just a dumb pop song. That's what this is. A bunch of shit that really, honestly, isnt for us as white men and isnt for us to decide the empowerment potential of. This statement strikes me as insanely condescending. Black men or women aren't some alien creatures white people can never understand. They are people, too. This just sounds so hand-hold-y and condescending. With a reasonable eye and proper context, I am allowed to judge them in circumstances just as they are allowed to judge me if I made a video like this. I am not saying that the speaker (or, in this case, singer) of certain words doesn't matter in terms of their gender, their background, the color of their skin, etc.--far, far from it--but there's certain places where you can draw the line.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 21, 2014 11:00:46 GMT -5
*shrug* I guess but... Nikki is an outspoken feminist and has constantly proven herself to be here to empower black women whilest also making money for herself. She talks about it all the time in interviews, but never so blatantly as to ruin her earning potential. She's smart about it. She makes pop music that appeals to the masses and uses her sexuality to do so, but then subverts it all with her actual lyrics and symbolism in the videos. I don't think its possible to watch the video especially and not see the male gaze subversion present in the Drake scene and banana scene. Thats what she's here to do and I love it.
She ain't perfect, criticisms can be made, but this song is not a completely mindless pop song and the video is not just mindlessly sexual jack off material.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 22, 2014 21:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 23:03:19 GMT -5
I think this album will be looked back upon in 10 years as the moment when ass jumped the shark.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 23:32:24 GMT -5
I find that Anacaonda song on the level of Jeff Hardy's musical output. It's unacceptable for a song that terrible to be played over the airwaves. It's degrading to the artform, that probably sounds curmdgeonly but I believe that, this song is gong to heard by millions of people every day and it's just trash. It's all a cash-grab, I'm well aware, I just don't think it's a good thing.
And on top of that, the message is atrocious. Firstly, we get it, big asses, you like big dicks, cool. Secondly, more importantly, body shaming "skinny bitches" is not okay. I have a friend who is naturally very thin, beautiful girl, in great shape, but she's all self-conscious because she's black and she doesn't have a big ass. Empowerment at the expense of another group isn't empowerment at all, it's shameful bullshit.
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Aug 23, 2014 0:05:02 GMT -5
Don't know if it's mentioned already:
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Post by 67 more on Aug 23, 2014 3:22:35 GMT -5
God I love this woman. She takes a male gaze anthem (progressive for its time in a way, but still) and turns it into an empowerment anthem for black and/or big women. And the video deconstructs the male gaze too. She'll never get the respect she deserves from the majority of the population but Nicki Minaj is an icon in my eyes. I don't know whether to feel jealous of or sad for Drake, I think both. This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering? Well, if you like banging dudes for coke, I suppose it is. And apparently Nicki Minaj likes anilingus according to this song. Good to know, I suppose.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 23, 2014 3:33:57 GMT -5
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Aug 26, 2014 10:36:43 GMT -5
This is an empowerment anthem? Banging a dude for coke is empowering? Well, if you like banging dudes for coke, I suppose it is. And apparently Nicki Minaj likes anilingus according to this song. Good to know, I suppose. As does Trina. Actually, I'd gather there are a lot more people into that than you'd think, given the stigma attached to it. *shrug*
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Post by DjZonk on Aug 26, 2014 10:38:17 GMT -5
RE the original post, I just want to say that this silly woman needs to get some class.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 26, 2014 10:58:36 GMT -5
Well, if you like banging dudes for coke, I suppose it is. And apparently Nicki Minaj likes anilingus according to this song. Good to know, I suppose. As does Trina. Actually, I'd gather there are a lot more people into that than you'd think, given the stigma attached to it. *shrug* Oh, I'm sure there is. It would be very hypocritical of me to have a stigma attached to that, anyway.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 26, 2014 11:48:05 GMT -5
I think this album will be looked back upon in 10 years as the moment when ass jumped the shark. In a weird way, all the recent love of giant ass has given me more of an affinity for Taylor Swift's petite derriere.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2014 11:50:39 GMT -5
I think this album will be looked back upon in 10 years as the moment when ass jumped the shark. In a weird way, all the recent love of giant ass has given me more of an affinity for Taylor Swift's petite derriere. Never need an excuse to enjoy Taylor Swift's looks. Booty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 26, 2014 11:54:19 GMT -5
I think this album will be looked back upon in 10 years as the moment when ass jumped the shark. Ass cannot jump the shark. Ass is eternal.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Aug 26, 2014 11:56:50 GMT -5
I barley got 30 seconds into that video before turning it off. Good lord that song is atrocious.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 26, 2014 12:06:54 GMT -5
I think this album will be looked back upon in 10 years as the moment when ass jumped the shark. Ass cannot jump the shark. Ass is eternal. That is not ass can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even ass can die. No, I don't know what that means.
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