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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2014 20:52:02 GMT -5
My apologies in advance for rambling. What started on Sunday afternoon as a speculation thread has become, in a strange way, a dimly lit waiting room in some unnamed suburban hospital. We all are reacting to what is happening in different ways. Some of us wait anxiously, sipping the stale coffee and trying to convince those around us that a change in management, network and/or geographic location is all the company needs. Others are kicking the shit out of the aging Coke machine, mostly out of pent up frustration. Some make jokes, some start fights, some simply stare at the ancient tube TV locked on HLN. As for me... I'm the sad guy in the corner, pretending to read the worn Newsweek from 2007 and thinking of better times. I didn't watch TNA from the beginning. I physically couldn't. My parents refused to get a digital cable box, and that was the only way of getting the pay-per-views. A low-power independent station in Pittsburgh had the rights to air Xplosion, but didn't actually show it much. The one episode I was able to catch had Jeremy Borash and Goldielocks interviewing the likes of Low-Ki and Sonny Siaki. It was rough around the edges - Ki's interview was obviously done in the men's restroom, for example - but it was enough to convince me that this was something different, and I was missing it. For the next two years, I followed TNA through a variety of "alternative" sources - message board posts, the dirtsheets and EWR. (As an aside, I have to thank Phil Parent for his work on the old EWR and TEW data packs. As goofy as it sounds now, it was those packs that introduced me to a world outside of the WWE, TNA and XPW.) My first real experience with TNA was the second episode of Impact. (The debut wasn't shown in Pittsburgh due to a Pirates game.) I was starting to grow tired of the WWE, so this was wrestling's last chance to keep me hooked. To this day, I don't remember what was on that show, but whatever it was, it worked. I never missed an episode. Over time, I was able to convince my girlfriend (now wife) to give it a shot. It took a few episodes, but she was sufficiently hooked as well. It was the one non-animated thing that we could agree on. We spent the next five and a half years as hardcore fans. We always made sure to have an extra $25 just so we could get the pay-per-views. We were there for the highs (Monty Brown, Kurt Angle comes to TNA, Paparazzi Productions), the lows (the never ending Bobby Roode/Eric Young feud, VKM hates Christy Hemme, that time Rikishi showed up) and the freaking Deathbed match. Don't get me wrong here: We weren't a part of the delusional masses. We knew it could be, and often was, a train wreck. But it was our train wreck, dammit and we enjoyed every minute of it... until Hulk Hogan took over, brother. We tried watching it, but outside of the phenomenal cage match match between Angle and Ken Anderson at Lockdown 2010, the company we bonded over in college was dead. We largely ignored TNA until 2012, when positive reviews brought us back in. For the briefest of moments, it felt like they were back. It was, once again, far from perfect, but the good (the Bound for Glory Series, Austin Aries/Option C, Bully Ray and his "fire breathing Twitter machine") outweighed the bad. We even drove to Orlando that January just to attend the last live PPV event ever to be held in the original Impact Zone. They were starting to slip by this point, but we ignored it completely. We've seen rough patches from them before. It would only be matter of time until it got better again. But it didn't. What started as a few mystery bikers turned into a bizarre NWO rehash. A few firings became dozens. Chris Sabin, then Eric Young, was champ for some reason. By the beginning of 2014, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and even Jeff Jarrett were gone. They tried to fill the gaps with the (admittedly entertaining) EC3 and Rockstar Spud, but it didn't work. The company was dead to us again and this time, it wasn't ever coming back. And that's why I find myself sitting here, reading an article about how Hilary Clinton is a lock for the presidency in 2008. It's the only thing keeping the feelings of nostalgia-tinged sadness at bay. Maybe later the wife and I will rent another show from YouTube, if for no other reason than to remind of our college days. The days when I would drive three-plus hours just so we could watch our favorite show, Impact, together. Only Proper Reaction Picture:
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Post by benstudd on Jul 29, 2014 20:58:54 GMT -5
My apologies in advance for rambling. What started on Sunday afternoon as a speculation thread has become, in a strange way, a dimly lit waiting room in some unnamed suburban hospital. We all are reacting to what is happening in different ways. Some of us wait anxiously, sipping the stale coffee and trying to convince those around us that a change in management, network and/or geographic location is all the company needs. Others are kicking the shit out of the aging Coke machine, mostly out of pent up frustration. Some make jokes, some start fights, some simply stare at the ancient tube TV locked on HLN. As for me... I'm the sad guy in the corner, pretending to read the worn Newsweek from 2007 and thinking of better times. I didn't watch TNA from the beginning. I physically couldn't. My parents refused to get a digital cable box, and that was the only way of getting the pay-per-views. A low-power independent station in Pittsburgh had the rights to air Xplosion, but didn't actually show it much. The one episode I was able to catch had Jeremy Borash and Goldielocks interviewing the likes of Low-Ki and Sonny Siaki. It was rough around the edges - Ki's interview was obviously done in the men's restroom, for example - but it was enough to convince me that this was something different, and I was missing it. For the next two years, I followed TNA through a variety of "alternative" sources - message board posts, the dirtsheets and EWR. (As an aside, I have to thank Phil Parent for his work on the old EWR and TEW data packs. As goofy as it sounds now, it was those packs that introduced me to a world outside of the WWE, TNA and XPW.) My first real experience with TNA was the second episode of Impact. (The debut wasn't shown in Pittsburgh due to a Pirates game.) I was starting to grow tired of the WWE, so this was wrestling's last chance to keep me hooked. To this day, I don't remember what was on that show, but whatever it was, it worked. I never missed an episode. Over time, I was able to convince my girlfriend (now wife) to give it a shot. It took a few episodes, but she was sufficiently hooked as well. It was the one non-animated thing that we could agree on. We spent the next five and a half years as hardcore fans. We always made sure to have an extra $25 just so we could get the pay-per-views. We were there for the highs (Monty Brown, Kurt Angle comes to TNA, Paparazzi Productions), the lows (the never ending Bobby Roode/Eric Young feud, VKM hates Christy Hemme, that time Rikishi showed up) and the freaking Deathbed match. Don't get me wrong here: We weren't a part of the delusional masses. We knew it could be, and often was, a train wreck. But it was our train wreck, dammit and we enjoyed every minute of it... until Hulk Hogan took over, brother. We tried watching it, but outside of the phenomenal cage match match between Angle and Ken Anderson at Lockdown 2010, the company we bonded over in college was dead. We largely ignored TNA until 2012, when positive reviews brought us back in. For the briefest of moments, it felt like they were back. It was, once again, far from perfect, but the good (the Bound for Glory Series, Austin Aries/Option C, Bully Ray and his "fire breathing Twitter machine") outweighed the bad. We even drove to Orlando that January just to attend the last live PPV event ever to be held in the original Impact Zone. They were starting to slip by this point, but we ignored it completely. We've seen rough patches from them before. It would only be matter of time until it got better again. But it didn't. What started as a few mystery bikers turned into a bizarre NWO rehash. A few firings became dozens. Chris Sabin, then Eric Young, was champ for some reason. By the beginning of 2014, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and even Jeff Jarrett were gone. They tried to fill the gaps with the (admittedly entertaining) EC3 and Rockstar Spud, but it didn't work. The company was dead to us again and this time, it wasn't ever coming back. And that's why I find myself sitting here, reading an article about how Hilary Clinton is a lock for the presidency in 2008. It's the only thing keeping the feelings of nostalgia-tinged sadness at bay. Maybe later the wife and I will rent another show from YouTube, if for no other reason than to remind of our college days. The days when I would drive three-plus hours just so we could watch our favorite show, Impact, together. That was beautiful, man. TNA doesn't deserve you.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 29, 2014 21:12:49 GMT -5
I still contend that the downfall of the company was canceling the Paparazzi Productions DVD. That was the first straw to start to break the camel's back.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jul 29, 2014 21:17:40 GMT -5
I know I posted something similar earlier in the thread but here's what I posted immediately following Lockdown 2014. Sweet chocolate Christ, I actually checked out the PPV last night because I was fairly interested in at least the top two matches of the night as well as seeing the Great Muta. Well at least the Muta match didn't disappoint me. That f***ing finish for the title match. Then that finish for Lethal Lockdown! Who the ass was clamouring for someone to climb out of a hole in the ring? I mean ever. The best part of that segment was the implication that whoever was in the hole failed miserably as Joe emerged moments later looking more annoyed and pissed than hurt. Then Abyss helps Magnus retain the title to all the heat of a penguin's frozen asshole in what apparently was yet another instance of TNA cribbing from WWE by having the masked monster take his mask off and then join the heel authority figure's group of miscreants. Woohoo, good job TNA. Then the main event happened. Who exactly wanted Buddy Ray to return? And before anyone says, "Wait and see." No. You piss off right now. I've been a regular TNA viewer since the early days when an eleven year old Hawk Jefferson relied on the internet for results and the weekly pre-PPV show to see highlights of what happened the week before because no f***ing way was I asking my mom for $10 a week to watch wrestling and even going back to those days the wait and see attitude has lead to nothing but disappointment. TNA takes the easiest route to appeal to the lowest common denominator of fans and that's why they're in the shitter at least creatively. In my 12 years as a regular TNA viewer, I've been very cyclic in my viewing habits. As I said, I had a pretty hood way of keeping up with the product in late 2002 through the end of PPV Era but I did, every week. Even into the FSN days when I'd rush home immediately after school on Fridays to watch Impact at 4pm. Not to mention actually watching the 30 minute pre-show to every PPV straight through the early Spike days because I ordered the WWE PPV most months when I could until I got a job, at 15 (2006) that let me order basically every show TNA put on PPV because I was that into the product. Then in late 2007 I really stopped caring, the product got really lame and juvenile in my eyes and paled in comparison to some of the alternative stuff I was watching regularly at the time. They didn't hook me again as a full time viewer until 2009 and I stuck around until the Hogan and Bischoff fiasco and actually came back just in time to be pushed right back out the f***ing door by the Immortal stuff and the only thing that got me back was A Double winning the title, then the Storm/Roode mess happened but I stayed TNA true until the Aces and 8s shenanigans and just now came back around only to be handed that f***ing mess we got last night. The point of what I'm saying is, I've legitimately tried for more than a decade to give TNA a chance and they've just kept dicking me over. This is why you can't keep a fanbase TNA. This is why you can't grow a fanbase. It's why moving out of the Impact Zone was an on-going failed experiment and it's why that's was a step you should've taken years ago but just have in the last few years, too late for it to matter. And this is why your home grown talent that originally hooked new fans who were interested in seeing guys they had never seen and couldn't really see anywhere else is abandoning you. The only thing you learn from your mistakes is you could possibly f*** up even harder the next time around. I want to say I'm done with them I really do but I know in six months I'll right back in that curious, "lemme give 'em another chance" spot I was in recently. TNA is just like a girlfriend that repeatedly f***s your friends but you keep taking her back because you see her potential to not be a total f***ing skeezer. TL;DR: "Lockdown was shitty," says 12 year attempted TNA fan. Will not give up on product, plans to continue angrily grumbling online.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 29, 2014 21:45:48 GMT -5
They asked the honorable Rainmaker Kazuhicka Okada for his opinion "f*** TNA, didn't push okada, maybe f*** Russo!"
They asked Fritz Von Erich for his opinion....yeah he's still death
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 29, 2014 21:49:49 GMT -5
It's weird but I could argue that Russo IS responsible in a way. If he took the time to look before sending that email, then it's highly possible that TNA would have firmer ground to stand on in negotiations. I mean, the ground would be built on "They don't know we're lying, so shut up", but stil...that's something. I reckon Spike were looking for reasons to cancel TNA by that point anyway. He still gave them the reason so yes, he is responsible.
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2014 21:59:09 GMT -5
Russo Kills a Wrestling Company
Finds God
Kills anther Wrestling Company
Vince Russo is every serial killer ever
Thanks to WrestlngMemes for that idea, I just paraphrased it.
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Post by jagilki on Jul 29, 2014 22:00:58 GMT -5
Swerve, Russo's really working for Spike.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 29, 2014 22:21:03 GMT -5
Swerve, Russo's really working for Spike. Double Swerve Spike TV is really working for Russo
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Post by Von Wagner's Brownies on Jul 29, 2014 22:27:16 GMT -5
Swerve, Russo's really working for Spike. Double Swerve Spike TV is really working for Russo Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jul 29, 2014 23:18:37 GMT -5
Double Swerve Spike TV is really working for Russo Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV. Super Swerve YOU are Vince Russo
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Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 29, 2014 23:36:01 GMT -5
Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV. Super Swerve YOU are Vince Russo Infinite Swerve
WE ARE ALL VINCE RUSSO.
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Post by peter on Jul 29, 2014 23:36:35 GMT -5
Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV. Super Swerve YOU are Vince Russo Mega Swerve: Vince Russo IS Mike Johnson!!!
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Post by FinalGwen on Jul 29, 2014 23:41:32 GMT -5
Double Swerve Spike TV is really working for Russo Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV. Swerve, Vince Russo is Spike Dudley.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 29, 2014 23:46:34 GMT -5
Triple swerve, Vince Russo IS Spike TV. Swerve, Vince Russo is Spike Dudley. Another swerve Spike Lee is Vince Russo
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 30, 2014 0:18:42 GMT -5
Super Swerve YOU are Vince Russo Mega Swerve: Vince Russo IS Mike Johnson!!! Which would also mean that Russo/Johnson is Kevin Nash.
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Post by peter on Jul 30, 2014 0:25:27 GMT -5
Mega Swerve: Vince Russo IS Mike Johnson!!! Which would also mean that Russo/Johnson is Kevin Nash. Bingo!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 0:37:11 GMT -5
This is my first time seeing this thread. I just wish I had time to read all 58 pages of it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 30, 2014 0:46:21 GMT -5
This is my first time seeing this thread. I just wish I had time to read all 58 pages of it. We've basically went trough all the stages of death. I think We've been giving Dixie more shit than Russo.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 30, 2014 1:43:45 GMT -5
Mega Swerve: Vince Russo IS Mike Johnson!!! Which would also mean that Russo/Johnson is Kevin Nash.
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